uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - i'm so excited
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - the blacks and beat kids
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - they're so excited
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - when i think about leeds uniting
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - i'm getting frightened
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, and beat kids
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - it's so exciting
uh uh uh uh oh oh oh oh oh uh oh - someday, someday, someday, someday, someday, someday

LEEDS UNITED.

I can think of worse things than an army of Mudhoney and Melvins clones.

The original Seattle scene of the 90s brought about some of my all time favorite bands, that being said I hope these people bring something decent to the table.

i'm not so sure shoegazer and grunge are the same thing buddy, see soundgarden, melvins, etc.

soakitincider: i'm not so sure shoegazer and grunge are the same thing buddy, see soundgarden, melvins, etc.

They're not.

I have no idea what subby is trying to do here.

I love me some Shoegaze!


Medicine and My Bloody Valentine FTW!

oh fark I hope not.

I mean, shoegaze can be good, but i've heard it plenty of craptastic shoegaze bands. the last thing we need is a huge mainstream scene to form around this genere.

Grunge rennaissance?



Let me get my shotgun

/zombies? in my music?
//hey man, nice shot

soakitincider: i'm not so sure shoegazer and grunge are the same thing buddy, see soundgarden, melvins, etc.

Indeed. Plus, the UK had their fair share of shoegaze.


/Hmmm, perhaps I'll queue up some Lush on the ol' iPod

OK, I'll bite. What the hell is shoegaze? Is it some type of Emo subgenre? It's in the pulldown list for "genre" in Windows Media Player. Why isn't my favorite genre, country reggae, in the pulldown menu? What is so damn special about these so-called shoegazers?

Thank christ I still have all these flannel shirts.

Philbigtime: OK, I'll bite. What the hell is shoegaze? Is it some type of Emo subgenre? It's in the pulldown list for "genre" in Windows Media Player. Why isn't my favorite genre, country reggae, in the pulldown menu? What is so damn special about these so-called shoegazers?

shoegaze music is really annoying shiatty jangly indie rock with a million effects (echo, delay, etc) on the guitar. it's called shoegaze because the guitarists are too busy strumming one chord and hitting a million pedals to look up, so it looks like they're staring at their shoes. think of crybaby bullshiat with echo and you got some shoegaze....mogwai?

Shoegaze? Go check out secret shine. Awesome band from the early 90s. Still around I believe.

I dunno wasnt Seattle cool because it was different. To create a new scene based on that seems to miss the point. I will give these guys a chance though because I did enjoy alot of the music to come out of Seattle.

Yeah, grunge haters. Enjoying your My Chemical Romance? Yeah, so much better. How about that new single by Pink where she threatens to hit someone.

(I'd coldcock that dykey bi75h so hard her uterus would pop out)

Not An Alt: Philbigtime: OK, I'll bite. What the hell is shoegaze? Is it some type of Emo subgenre? It's in the pulldown list for "genre" in Windows Media Player. Why isn't my favorite genre, country reggae, in the pulldown menu? What is so damn special about these so-called shoegazers?

shoegaze music is really annoying shiatty jangly indie rock with a million effects (echo, delay, etc) on the guitar. it's called shoegaze because the guitarists are too busy strumming one chord and hitting a million pedals to look up, so it looks like they're staring at their shoes. think of crybaby bullshiat with echo and you got some shoegaze....mogwai?

more like Slint. Mogwai is post-rock.

/hope that doesn't sound pretentious.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Yeah, grunge haters. Enjoying your My Chemical Romance? Yeah, so much better. How about that new single by Pink where she threatens to hit someone.

So the only stuff out there is grunge and pop music? Got it thanks.

Bobby Teenager: Not An Alt: Philbigtime: OK, I'll bite. What the hell is shoegaze? Is it some type of Emo subgenre? It's in the pulldown list for "genre" in Windows Media Player. Why isn't my favorite genre, country reggae, in the pulldown menu? What is so damn special about these so-called shoegazers?

shoegaze music is really annoying shiatty jangly indie rock with a million effects (echo, delay, etc) on the guitar. it's called shoegaze because the guitarists are too busy strumming one chord and hitting a million pedals to look up, so it looks like they're staring at their shoes. think of crybaby bullshiat with echo and you got some shoegaze....mogwai?

more like Slint. Mogwai is post-rock.

/hope that doesn't sound pretentious.

Slint was NEVAR shoegaze. No way.

Bobby Teenager: Not An Alt: Philbigtime: OK, I'll bite. What the hell is shoegaze? Is it some type of Emo subgenre? It's in the pulldown list for "genre" in Windows Media Player. Why isn't my favorite genre, country reggae, in the pulldown menu? What is so damn special about these so-called shoegazers?

shoegaze music is really annoying shiatty jangly indie rock with a million effects (echo, delay, etc) on the guitar. it's called shoegaze because the guitarists are too busy strumming one chord and hitting a million pedals to look up, so it looks like they're staring at their shoes. think of crybaby bullshiat with echo and you got some shoegaze....mogwai?

more like Slint. Mogwai is post-rock.

/hope that doesn't sound pretentious.

Only if you were correct. Slint is most defiantly not shoegaze.

A few prominent shoegaze bands:

My Bloody Valentine
Ride
Slowdive
Swervedriver
Chapeterhouse
Lush
Luna

more modern day shoegaze bands would include

My Viterol
Starflyer 59
M83
Asobi Seksu

Slint however were more pioneers of the Postrock genre than shoegaze.

Gunny Highway: Marla Singer's Laundry: Yeah, grunge haters. Enjoying your My Chemical Romance? Yeah, so much better. How about that new single by Pink where she threatens to hit someone.

So the only stuff out there is grunge and pop music? Got it thanks.


Fill in the blank:
As a market force, and as a cultural artifact, my favorite well known and popular sub-genre of music is _____________.

Just curious.

Marla Singer's Laundry: As a market force, and as a cultural artifact, my favorite well known and popular sub-genre of music is _____________.

Punk. Why do you ask? Are you going to try to prove some kind of point or something?

Marla Singer's Laundry: As a market force, and as a cultural artifact, my favorite well known and popular sub-genre of music is _____________.

Can I extend the same question your way I guess.

They can try to be Seattle, but they can never take away our bus crash.

jerkobson: Luna

You'd consider Luna shoegaze? I don't know if I can agree with that. Like. At all.

I'm listening to M83 melting into My Bloody Valentine so I am getting a kick out ...

A few people already beat me to the punch with the "grunge=shoegaze? hurr???" remark.

Now all I have left to biatch about is the ridiculousness of the "grunge" label altogether.

/The only similarities between Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, The Meat Puppets....etc, was that they looked like they could use a bath.
//completely different styles

hey these bands are pretty good

except for the tempus
they really do sound like three doors down
ugh

GossipTrain: Shoegaze? Go check out secret shine. Awesome band from the early 90s. Still around I believe.

Nice recommendation! Hopefully this will hold me over some more until MBV finally gets around to releasing something new.

/I realize I may be waiting for quite a while

A "grunge renaissance" in Leeds? The place has never been clean enough to be called grungy.

best shoegaze band that swears they're not shoegaze:

http://www.myspace.com/alcestmusic

This does not sound like Shoegazer music. I guess they're kind of grunge, but, meh....I'm not sure if I really like these bands or really hate them.

I've actually been predicting a grunge revolution for quite a while (not that I'm the only one). You know, the whole every 20 years thing. Also, backlash against everyone having their own digital recording gear, myspace pages, ipods, and digital effects. Let's go back to cassette demos and tube amps.

/Waits for Nu-Metal renaissance.

I'm just concerned about the upcoming post-post-grunge stage.

"Shoegazer",in my book, is a term that's been thrown around since the 80s and can mean ANY band that stares at his guitar onstage and are a little lacking in the performance department... so it started with bands like The Cure, Jesus & Mary chain, all the way to Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and yes The Melvins. Ive seen them live, they shoegaze

and don't get me wrong, i LOVE all these bands. But Seattle grunge was the embodiment of shoegazing to me

Valdes: I can think of worse things than an army of Mudhoney and Melvins clones.

Or wannabe Mekons.

Listening to the bands listed, I'd have to say they're far more listenable than what's being passed for alternative nowadays which seems to be "falsetto vocals over tinny instrumentals*

HappyHarryHardOn: "Shoegazer",in my book, is a term that's been thrown around since the 80s and can mean ANY band that stares at his guitar onstage and are a little lacking in the performance department... so it started with bands like The Cure, Jesus & Mary chain, all the way to Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and yes The Melvins. Ive seen them live, they shoegaze

and don't get me wrong, i LOVE all these bands. But Seattle grunge was the embodiment of shoegazing to me

An interesting argument, to be sure - I've seen more than a few of the grunge bands (being a Seattle native), and a lot of them weren't especially energetic performers. The Melvins were definitely intense (especially after Buzzo crawled off the stage after their performance), but they didn't move a lot. Same with Soundgarden. POTUSA certainly were energetic, but they definitely aren't grunge.

/kinda drunk, posting for the fark of it
//gotta give props to Wonderswan, naming themselves after a portable Japanese video game system that's mainly known for its port of Final Fantasy IV

Dead Confederate, The Whigs (no, not The Afghan Whigs...), and The Black Ghosts have me thinking Georgia is it, not Leeds.

If we're currently listening to "post grunge" music on the radio--Silversun Pickups and Foo Fighters, and that ilk--might this grunge renaissance be considered "post post grunge"? And since we're now in the thick of 90s retro, what comes after? Dear god, let's hope there's no 2000s retro!!! People can't possibly dress any tackier than now, girl culture can't get any trashier than now, can it??

Here's hoping Pop Eats Itself and the whole retro cool jobbie simply implodes!!!!! And then a whole new paradigm comes along for fashion and music, to replace all the tacky stuff that came before.

Bobby Teenager: more like Slint. Mogwai is post-rock.

/hope that doesn't sound pretentious.

Mogwai were involved on The Fountain soundtrack, which buys them an eternal pass from me.

eh, none of those bands sound at all interesting, or even grunge. "UK gets its own 3 Doors Down!" Congratulations, I guess?


yeah, the only relation shoegaze has with grunge is when Spacemen 3 and Mudhoney were supposed to do a split single. As far as shoegaze goes, really the only "shoegaze" I like, outside of Swervedriver and Slowdive, is more of the bands that influenced the genre (Loop, Spacemen 3, Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, etc.).

My favorites, fwiw:

- Loop: Heaven's End
- Jesus and Mary Chain: Psychocandy
- My Bloody Valentine: Loveless
- Slowdive: Souvlaki
- Lovesliescrushing: Xuvetyn (the closest we've come to a follow-up to Loveless)
- Auburn Lull: Alone I Admire
- Flying Saucer Attack: s/t
- Medicine: Shot Forth Self Living
- Swervedriver: Mescalhead
- Spacemen 3: Playing with Fire
- Serena-Maneesh: s/t
- Catherine Wheel: Ferment



a lot of the newer acts in the genre seems to be more or less Slowdive knock-offs with the occasional MBV clone who take the "warped tape effect" a little too literally.

NorCalLos:

/Waits for Nu-Metal renaissance.

Ah hell no. I'd rather have a thrash metal renaissance, however.

Few shoegazers were dynamic performers or interesting interviewees, which prevented them from breaking through into markets in the United States.

Yeah, I got to stock me up on some of that.