STFU

I seriously doubt many people are going to honestly biatch that he signed this without getting their personal comment... considering that it protects the wages of half of the country.

Isn't he still having trouble just keeping whitehouse.gov up to date with their archaic systems? How's he supposed to implement a public comment system in that kind of environment? Hopefully he'll figure it out eventually, but it's unrealistic to expect this system to be ready to go already.

/system

The first of many. You'll see.

Yoweigh: Isn't he still having trouble just keeping whitehouse.gov up to date with their archaic systems? How's he supposed to implement a public comment system in that kind of environment? Hopefully he'll figure it out eventually, but it's unrealistic to expect this system to be ready to go already.

that's the first thing i thought of too. i'm not sure whitehouse.gov could actually support this feature yet anyways, and i'm pretty sure they would be unable to properly implement it until they get the tech more up to date.

Look, just man up and admit that he screwed up on this one, Obama supporters. Hopefully he'll keep his promise on other bills going forward, as I think its a great idea to get public comment. I doubt it will change anything insofar as his signing or not signing a bill, but its not a bad idea at all.

I'll sit back now and watch the justifications for why he didn't allow the bill public review to come on.

Yep. This is broken.

However, it's not broken in a way that can't be fixed. I mean, the opportunity for this bill is gone, but as long as he sets up a system for doing this in a reasonable amount of time, I'd be happy with that as keeping the spirit of the promise.

The letter of it is broken, though. How much that matters is up to the individual.

Sorry, I fail to see any reason to get upset over the President signing a bill to encourage equal pay, overturning a ruling that went against one of the founding principles of this country: that we're all created equal.

But please, anti-Obamites, please get upset over this. Please throw a hissy fit. Please tell us how we're "spinning", please keep pretending to laugh at it. Please keep crying about how Obama isn't perfect. It is delicious to me that you have to set the standard so high in order to fault him. Your Wharrgarbl nourishes me.

Meh. The operation is still coming up to speed. And Yoweigh makes an excellent point.

burndtdan: i'm not sure whitehouse.gov could actually support this feature yet anyways,

It would be easy. Link a PDF of the document. Add link: "To comment on this piece of legislation, click here:" which links to either a mailto: thing or a comment submission field.

Done.

What's so hard about that?

Dan the Schman: Sorry, I fail to see any reason to get upset over the President signing a bill to encourage equal pay, overturning a ruling that went against one of the founding principles of this country: that we're all created equal.

Obama said that he wouldn't sign non-emergency bills without putting them up for public comment. He didn't say "after I put a system in place" or include any padding for himself. That was a mistake.

This is a legitimate criticism of a broken promise. It is also a good thing to set the standard very high for Obama, because we need to start demanding great things of our leaders again.

KaponoFor3: Look, just man up and admit that he screwed up on this one, Obama supporters. Hopefully he'll keep his promise on other bills going forward, as I think its a great idea to get public comment. I doubt it will change anything insofar as his signing or not signing a bill, but its not a bad idea at all.

When this "public comment" site DOES get set up, I can hardly wait until the site gets "Freepered". The amount of WHARRGARRRBL will be astounding.

/Or "Farked" for that matter
///25,000 posts saying "Duke Sucks" and pix of big-nutted squirrels.

Yup, he broke this one. Even if the system wasn't set up yet online, he could have waited 5 days for traditional feedback. That said, there are people's claims that could have expired during the 5 day waiting period. So maybe he preserved a few claims by signing swiftly.

By the way, by breaking this promise, he kept another one. (new window)

Considering that there's been all kinds of comment on the quite public Ledbetter Act, this broken promise is in letter only. I don't expect to wait five days for something everyone is already quite well aware.

Shostie: burndtdan: i'm not sure whitehouse.gov could actually support this feature yet anyways,

It would be easy. Link a PDF of the document. Add link: "To comment on this piece of legislation, click here:" which links to either a mailto: thing or a comment submission field.

Done.

What's so hard about that?

You assume two things.
1) That the White House IT department is competent.
2) That the administration's Communication Department already has access to modify the code on web pages.

You have to remember that the White House is transitioning from a group of people who feared the magic thinking boxes to an a group of very tech savvy people. There is going to be some time while they get things up to speed.

Shostie: burndtdan: i'm not sure whitehouse.gov could actually support this feature yet anyways,

It would be easy. Link a PDF of the document. Add link: "To comment on this piece of legislation, click here:" which links to either a mailto: thing or a comment submission field.

Done.

What's so hard about that?

i don't think that's what they had in mind, but i guess that could work.

KaponoFor3: Look, just man up and admit that he screwed up on this one, Obama supporters.

i'd say the real screw up was assuming that the technology in the white house was even remotely comparable to what they were using on the campaign trail. i think he promised more than he could easily accomplish and didn't realize it.

although i'm also inclined to think he might have just forgotten.

Obdicut: Obama said that he wouldn't sign non-emergency bills without putting them up for public comment. He didn't say "after I put a system in place" or include any padding for himself. That was a mistake.

This is a legitimate criticism of a broken promise. It is also a good thing to set the standard very high for Obama, because we need to start demanding great things of our leaders again.

I want to applaud you for being objective enough to criticize a President that you, on the whole, support. I wish others who supported him could do the same, but I think we are gonna get a whole lot of "who cares" and other such justifications in this thread. Anyways, good on you, Obdicut.

burndtdan: i'd say the real screw up

Rationales/justifications in this post alone:

1) Technology isn't comparable
2) Promise more than he could accomplish
3) He forgot

KaponoFor3: burndtdan: i'd say the real screw up

Rationales/justifications in this post alone:

1) Technology isn't comparable
2) Promise more than he could accomplish
3) He forgot

rationales and justifications? i'm not rationalizing. i'm saying what i think the screw ups were.

it's not an excuse if you aren't asking to be excused.

KaponoFor3: Obdicut: Obama said that he wouldn't sign non-emergency bills without putting them up for public comment. He didn't say "after I put a system in place" or include any padding for himself. That was a mistake.

This is a legitimate criticism of a broken promise. It is also a good thing to set the standard very high for Obama, because we need to start demanding great things of our leaders again.

I want to applaud you for being objective enough to criticize a President that you, on the whole, support. I wish others who supported him could do the same, but I think we are gonna get a whole lot of "who cares" and other such justifications in this thread. Anyways, good on you, Obdicut.

Condescending much?

People are aware that this is a broken promise. They just don't care, cause in this case, it doesn't matter.

Now, if it becomes habit, it will matter.

Obdicut: This is a legitimate criticism of a broken promise. It is also a good thing to set the standard very high for Obama, because we need to start demanding great things of our leaders again.

KaponoFor3: I want to applaud you for being objective enough to criticize a President that you, on the whole, support.

and by the way, by saying he promised more than he could accomplish, or that he forgot, i AM criticizing him. those are explicit criticisms.

in other words, stop digging for controversy.

Not flaming here, honest question:

I haven't been able to keep up with the news as much the last week or so. Someone told me he had broken a promise by hiring on to his staff a lobbyist, something he apparently said he wouldn't do. Is this true? Wouldn't that be the first broken promise then?

burndtdan: it's not an excuse if you aren't asking to be excused.

Fair enough, perhaps I read your post wrong.

No YOU'RE a Towel: Condescending much?

Not at all. I am being totally genuine when I say how it is nice to see someone who clearly supported Obama during the campaign be able to say his guy made a mistake rather than defend or justify the mistake. It's refreshing.

No YOU'RE a Towel: Condescending much?

Kapono is one of the most arrogant and condescending pricks here. I hate that little f*ckwad more than I hate cancer.

Mordant: I hate that little f*ckwad more than I hate cancer.

To be fair, I hear you actually LIKE teh cancer, so...

Complicit: I haven't been able to keep up with the news as much the last week or so. Someone told me he had broken a promise by hiring on to his staff a lobbyist, something he apparently said he wouldn't do. Is this true? Wouldn't that be the first broken promise then?

Link (new window)

Politifact on that subject.

I'm really starting to like this website, despite the wharrrggble I know it'll produce.

Every broken Obama promise means a little less Freeper butthurt.

You'd think they would be grateful - but NOOOOOooooooooo!

I would hope this is a failure in the way burndtan mentions as those can seemingly be rectified in future bills. The content or familiarity of this bill doesn't give pass to him for signing it right away.

Obdicut:

Link (new window)

Politifact on that subject.

I'm really starting to like this website, despite the wharrrggble I know it'll produce.

Thank you

Oh no! You lied to me Obama! I want my vote back!

/who the fark cares?

The Onanist: 25,000 posts saying "Duke Sucks" and pix of big-nutted squirrels.

It will surely be epic if they allow posting of images. Who will be the first to be banninated from whitehouse.gov for posting a photo of a certain young lady in a bathing apparatus?

Mordant: Kapono is one of the most arrogant and condescending pricks here. I hate that little f*ckwad more than I hate cancer.

I'd like to think that this is sarcasm, but I somehow doubt it.

Mordant: apono is one of the most arrogant and condescending pricks here. I hate that little f*ckwad more than I hate cancer.

Gee, Pot calling kettle black much?

KaponoFor3: but I think we are gonna get a whole lot of "who cares" and other such justifications in this thread

adamgreeney: /who the fark cares?

sepuku2: Gee, Pot calling kettle black much?

Do you ever feel like the frying pan sitting on the back of the stove trying to objectively comment from your high perch of irony?

Code_Archeologist: Shostie: burndtdan: i'm not sure whitehouse.gov could actually support this feature yet anyways,

It would be easy. Link a PDF of the document. Add link: "To comment on this piece of legislation, click here:" which links to either a mailto: thing or a comment submission field.

Done.

What's so hard about that?

You assume two things.
1) That the White House IT department is competent.
2) That the administration's Communication Department already has access to modify the code on web pages.

You have to remember that the White House is transitioning from a group of people who feared the magic thinking boxes to an a group of very tech savvy people. There is going to be some time while they get things up to speed.

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be bureaucratic obstacles. Just that from a technical standpoint, it would be easy to implement.

Yes, he made that promise and he broke it.

It seems to me that campaigning is like an interview, when you apply for a job you are willing to work late, help everyone, and not even ask for a raise. Then you get hired and all those things you said during your interview come back to haunt you. You meant it when you said it though.

Doesn't excuse it, it's a broken promise. But as someone said, this is only really a problem if it becomes a habit. So, yes, I am cutting him some slack on it.

Obdicut: This is a legitimate criticism of a broken promise. It is also a good thing to set the standard very high for Obama, because we need to start demanding great things of our leaders again.

Very well put. This is certainly more of a venial sin than a cardinal sin, but I echo this sentiment.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: It will surely be epic if they allow posting of images. Who will be the first to be banninated from whitehouse.gov for posting a photo of a certain young lady in a bathing apparatus?

sepuku2: KaponoFor3: but I think we are gonna get a whole lot of "who cares" and other such justifications in this thread

adamgreeney: /who the fark cares?

Care to explain why i should?

bulldg4life: Do you ever feel like the frying pan sitting on the back of the stove trying to objectively comment from your high perch of irony?

Only if I'm seasoned cast iron.

It should be rather easy to hold someone's feet to the fire if you voted for them. I voted for Obama, I want him to live up to every promise he made.

Am I upset that he broke this promise? Most certainly. Am I otherwise generally pleased with how the first couple weeks has gone? Definitely.

The biggest objection I have so far is that they didn't ask Geithner to step aside after learning of his tax problems. Either he did his taxes incorrectly, suggesting he's too stupid for his current post, or he did them dishonestly, suggesting he's too corrupt.

To those who shrug this off as a non-issue, you should expect more out of Obama, not less. Show him the respect you thought he deserved from everyone all throughout the election season.

Don't get complacent with broken promises, no matter how small.

adamgreeney: Care to explain why i should?

No. Why? because I don't care either. Call me a cynic.

Meanwhile, in another reality, Obama delayed signing any bills in order to give his staff time to build the public comment interface, publicize it, and promote it.

Then the right wingnuts excoriated him for not signing the bills due his trying to keep a silly promise, saying things like "He's not doing anything! This is a whitewash! We knew it! He's an empty suit!"

sepuku2: adamgreeney: Care to explain why i should?

No. Why? because I don't care either. Call me a cynic.

We should know by now that campaign promises get broken, either out of inability to enact them because of opposition in Congress or funds, or that we were lied to. It's politics.

If these are the type of promises he's going to break, i think i'll be pretty farking happy with him. This is such a tiny, minor thing in the grand scheme of things that I won't lose any sleep over it.

adamgreeney: We should know by now that campaign promises get broken, either out of inability to enact them because of opposition in Congress or funds, or that we were lied to. It's politics.

Agreed. That's my point exactly.

oldfarthenry: Every broken Obama promise means a little less Freeper butthurt.

Let's hope it works that way.

John Paul Jones: Then the right wingnuts excoriated him for not signing the bills due his trying to keep a silly promise, saying things like "He's not doing anything! This is a whitewash! We knew it! He's an empty suit!"

Pretty sure the crazy people on the right wouldn't be too upset if he delayed signing the 'equal pay for women' law.

That's too bad. This would have been an easy one to keep, too, and I hardly think there would have been a national outcry over this bill. I hope he'll correct this on later bills. This is the kind of broken promise that can be fixed.