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It does not mean compulsory sexual activity with women.

So "lesbian" means bitter man-hater, without the fun parts.

Those aren't the lesbians you're looking for.

submitter: Today, Farkers argue that all women should be lesbians. Ah, progress

I don't know who really wants all women to be lesbians but their full of shiat if you ask me. Only a chronic jerk off would prefer ogling at two dykes munching carpet rather than having a real woman in bed.

/kids these days
//Goes out to my lawn

Well, it depends on what they look like, of course...

submitter: Thirty years ago, a group of radical women began arguing that all feminists should be lesbians. Today, Farkers argue that all women should be lesbians bisexual. Ah, progress
/FTFY

So what they are saying is that homosexuality is a choice and all men are oppressive, drunk, rapists and wife beaters. Nice.

Well at least it appears that mainstream feminists also believe these people are loonies. The Westboro Baptist Church of feminism as it were.

clancifer: Those aren't the lesbians you're looking for.

THIS

For me, however, my lesbianism is intrinsically bound up with my feminist politics and my campaigning against sexual violence.

Is this woman aware there is sexual violence amongst lesbians? A penis doesn't need to enter the equation.

I also suspect that it is very difficult to spend your daily life fighting against male violence, only to share a bed with a man come the evening.

Just because you can't figure it out, doesn't mean others can't. If I spent my days fighting against all forms of violence I'm pretty sure I could still talk to other people.

Then there's the fact that working with women towards a common goal means you develop a strong and passionate bond with them - why some feminists then block out the possibility of sexual relationships with their political sisters and instead turn to men for intimacy is beyond me.

I'm going to guess it's because they aren't lesbians.

Just so we're clear - to summarize the LYE groups argument:

1) Men are, in fact the enemy - you can not fight the wrongs some females experience and still have a happy, normal hetero relationship.

2) You can choose, and are in-fact, empowered by, selecting which type of sexuality you wish to adhere to.

Change men to women (or any other "minority") group in #1 and you'd have a shiatstorm of bad press on your hands.

Change LYE to a Christian group advocating people "choose" not to be gay in #2 - and as we've seen - you have a shiatstorm of bad press on your hands.

Bisexual, subby, bisexual.

sepuku2: Only a chronic jerk off would prefer ogling at two dykes munching carpet rather than having a real woman in bed.

Neglects difficult of achievement. Finding this^NSFW took fifteen seconds at Google.

If you can explain how to persuade a real woman into my bed with comparable effort, time, and (lack of) expense, I will not only sponsor your Totalfark for the next year, I will send you a case of bourbon.

Thirty years ago, a group of radical women began arguing that all feminists should be lesbians.

Also known as the year the dyke burst.

Our definition of a political lesbian is a woman-identified woman who does not fark men. It does not mean compulsory sexual activity with women."

You're doing it wrong. People who decide to adopt a sexual orientation because it's politically convenient are fake lesbians.

Also, this sort of thing alienates feminist men. It's a failure on so many levels.

abb3w: If you can explain how to persuade a real woman into my bed with comparable effort, time, and (lack of) expense, I will not only sponsor your Totalfark for the next year, I will send you a case of bourbon.

Charm?

It has never worked for me either. You gotta wait for him to finish watering his lawn to give you a response anyway. You know all the filling up of the watering can at the hand pumped well and all.

I think the argument subby is trying to make is all women should be PORNO lesbians... you know, the kind that change their preference whenever Peter North (or whoever) shows up.

/I date one of those, fortunately
//NO! you may not see pictures

Butch feminists irritate me.

To ask for equal rights and wages, and a right to chose their own life style (e.g., career vs homemaker) is one thing.

But to act like women who decide to have sex with men, who decide to stay at home and take care of the house, and who decide to show off their bodies at beauty pageants are traitors or misogynists, is stupid. To claim that heterosexual women need to pretend to be lesbians to get whatever the fark it is feminists want is stupid.

Mugato: Bisexual, subby, bisexual.

This

'... They said, 'Oh, but my man is OK,' as a way of refusing to look at the fact that some men really do hate women.'

Some men hate some women... just as I hate these bra-burning psycho-fems. Vagina non gratis, 'The only way to a man's heart is through his chest', etc... Its the lashing out by ugly women to make themselves feel relevant. They think the world looks down upon them because they make Rosanne Barr look like Brooke Burke.

... mmm... Brooke Burke....

hienekenftw: To claim that heterosexual women need to pretend to be lesbians to get whatever the fark it is feminists want is stupid.

What they want is a life free of men. It's logical, if not completely farked up.

I am a lesbian

abb3w: If you can explain how to persuade a real woman into my bed with comparable effort, time, and (lack of) expense, I will not only sponsor your Totalfark for the next year, I will send you a case of bourbon.

A case of bourbon might actually be part of the solution.

Totalfark sponsorship, slightly less so.
=Smidge=

Approves.

I'd like to say something intelligent, but I've been too oppressed er... pussy whipped er... silenced by radical feminists into believing that the testosterone in my system makes be capable of forming a single coherent thought on any issue involving the sexes."

/ not
// fark em and their 'D' cell batteries

IrateShadow: hienekenftw: To claim that heterosexual women need to pretend to be lesbians to get whatever the fark it is feminists want is stupid.

What they want is a life free of men. It's logical, if not completely farked up.

Wasn't there some Star Trek episode about this?

Call me old school, but I think heterosexual women are a far bigger turn on.

They must REALLY be steamed that female bisexuality or - in the least - "heteroflexibility" is, more or less, factory installed in women these days.

"Eating sausage at the 'Y'" or some such.

As some other, more scientifically astute farker put it (in a thread discussing the numerous studies that have shown that most women respond positively (i.e. getting wet, aroused, etc) when viewing other naked women in either porn or just "non-erotic" still photography) it makes evolutionary sense that women would, by and large, be "bi" by default.

Why?

As it takes women longer to get warmed up for sex the fact that they can get each other aroused and/or are aroused by each other simply means that they are then more easily approachable and/or otherwise "ready" for sex with men.

Triaxis: Call me old school, but I think heterosexual women are a far bigger turn on.

They're hetero, but they're just so overcome by our manliness that they have to make out with each other.

Phil Herup: I am a lesbian

I'm a bull dyke, wanna cyber?

This just goes to show, you mess with the bull-dikes your gonna get the horns

friendinpa: So what they are saying is that homosexuality is a choice and all men are oppressive, drunk, rapists and wife beaters. Nice.

Well at least it appears that mainstream feminists also believe these people are loonies. The Westboro Baptist Church of feminism as it were.

"It's not that we hate men, but..."

IrateShadow: hienekenftw: To claim that heterosexual women need to pretend to be lesbians to get whatever the fark it is feminists want is stupid.

What they want is a life free of men. It's logical, if not completely farked up.

So they make the assumption that all men are misogynists?

Nice, I didn't know I was a wife beater.

Satanic_Hamster
friendinpa: So what they are saying is that homosexuality is a choice and all men are oppressive, drunk, rapists and wife beaters. Nice.

Well at least it appears that mainstream feminists also believe these people are loonies. The Westboro Baptist Church of feminism as it were.

"It's not that we hate men, but..."


And why is it that the ones that hate men the most seem to go out of their way to dress and look like very stereotype of the men they say they hate?

So much for keeping politics out of the bedroom..

Those arent woman, those are feminists.

/Hey hey! Ho ho!
//The Penis Party has got to go!

Gunny Highway: abb3w: If you can explain how to persuade a real woman into my bed with comparable effort, time, and (lack of) expense, I will not only sponsor your Totalfark for the next year, I will send you a case of bourbon.

Charm?

It has never worked for me either. You gotta wait for him to finish watering his lawn to give you a response anyway. You know all the filling up of the watering can at the hand pumped well and all.

Well for starters you need to get out of the basement and locate one. Then as you become acquainted then things will usually take care of themselves. If this requires too much effort on your part, Let me mention that prostitutes come in different price ranges. Possibly even less than that case of bourbon you owe me.

Fizpez: 2) You can choose, and are in-fact, empowered by, selecting which type of sexuality you wish to adhere to.

Change men to women (or any other "minority") group in #1 and you'd have a shiatstorm of bad press on your hands.

Change LYE to a Christian group advocating people "choose" not to be gay in #2 - and as we've seen - you have a shiatstorm of bad press on your hands.

Aw crap. If there's anything I hate more than men-hating feminists, it's the whiny men who complain about them. Man up, nancy boy.

Wow, there's some good womyn-hating on here.

What's wrong Ike Turners (plural)? Head cheerleader Suzie Duckbutter wouldn't touch your dick?

/how was that

Thirty years ago, a group of radical women began arguing that all feminists should be lesbians. Today, Farkers argue that all women should be lesbians. Ah, progress

So, by the transitive properties of lesbains... Farkers are actually radical women.

Phil Herup: Approves.

Peyton Manning is a post modern feminist?

IrateShadow [TotalFark] 2009-01-30 08:28:30 AM
hienekenftw: To claim that heterosexual women need to pretend to be lesbians to get whatever the fark it is feminists want is stupid.

"What they want is a life free of men. It's logical, if not completely farked up."

Wouldn't politics be so much easier if all the Nazis + Communists + Racists + Homopobes + Class-Warfare + Elitists + Violent thugs + Criminals + Rapists + Sexists + Fascists + Theocrats were all members of one big party the rest of us could hate?

It's an appealing fallacy to believe that "everyone good believes what I believe and everyone evil believes the opposite of what I believe", and I think that's what Political Lesbians are guilty of (except they put the blame on gender instead of issue politics).

Sadly politics, in reality, isn't so sterile. We have to accept that some unsavory characters believe the same things we believe, and the same is true of our opponents.

soy_bomb: Phil Herup: Approves.

Peyton Manning is a post modern feminist?

Silly Soy Bomb...that's Phil at his Karate Kid-remake audition.

sepuku2: Well for starters you need to get out of the basement and locate one. Then as you become acquainted then things will usually take care of themselves. If this requires too much effort on your part, Let me mention that prostitutes come in different price ranges. Possibly even less than that case of bourbon you owe me.

Sorry I forgot I had to respect my elders, my apologies sir. Is there anything I can do for you? Maybe I can cut your grass some time. I only charge a dime. I want to start saving up for that prostitute thing you mentioned.

hienekenftw: Butch feminists irritate me.
.

Your ignorance is showing, since this has absolutely nothing to do with gender presentation, and very little to do with butch lesbians, which I think was your implication there.

To put this in wider context, one of the women interviewed in that article, Sheila Jeffreys, is a notable anti-porn fascist and transgender-hater whose point of view is widely criticized by lesbians because she thinks that being gay is a choice. She also condemns most things that lesbians like, like sex toys, representations of hot naked women, or having guys (gay or straight) as friends. TFA alludes to that by talking about how "oppressed" the "political lesbian" faction was by... pretty much everyone, but especially lesbians who were outraged that these people made the point over and over that being gay was a choice to not sleep with men instead of an attraction to women.

She actually makes a very valid point. That sexuality should be viewed as a choice and not a point dogmatic biology. As a point of philosophy, secular democratic freedom loving societies should recognize the inherent freedom of who you choose to fark.

Western society, for many reasons, has only recognized 2 genders -- with is an aberration in human culture.

I offer this postulate. If one were to tell Alexander the Great that future western scholars assumed he was gay, and you went on to explain that concept to the man, he'd certainly reply:

"I don't know who you are, or where you got your ideas, but I'm the king of Macedonia and fark who and what I please."


And as a point of a fact, there is very little evidence for biological sexual preference -- there's certainly no test -- and can only be guessed at if the fact is already known. But no cadaver or set of bones will every tell you who they like to fark.


Tho, none of that shiat has to do with hating men -- which seems a separate and irrelevant facet of what the lady thinks she's advocating.

bobbette: hienekenftw: Butch feminists irritate me.
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Your ignorance is showing, since this has absolutely nothing to do with gender presentation, and very little to do with butch lesbians, which I think was your implication there.

To put this in wider context, one of the women interviewed in that article, Sheila Jeffreys, is a notable anti-porn fascist and transgender-hater whose point of view is widely criticized by lesbians because she thinks that being gay is a choice. She also condemns most things that lesbians like, like sex toys, representations of hot naked women, or having guys (gay or straight) as friends. TFA alludes to that by talking about how "oppressed" the "political lesbian" faction was by... pretty much everyone, but especially lesbians who were outraged that these people made the point over and over that being gay was a choice to not sleep with men instead of an attraction to women.

Or, even lesbianism has a radical right counterpart. The world keeps turning. Why that would 'irritate' anyone is beyond me -- it's a highly reactionary, defensive, and insecure position to take just because the idea is mentioned or exists.

bobbette: Our definition of a political lesbian is a woman-identified woman who does not fark men. It does not mean compulsory sexual activity with women."

You're doing it wrong. People who decide to adopt a sexual orientation because it's politically convenient are fake lesbians.

Also, this sort of thing alienates feminist men. It's a failure on so many levels.

If your goal is to try to strike back at men you hate by convincing women to not have sex with them, it isn't a failure.

Political sexuality, motivated by hatred and fear, what a wonderful concept!

FTFA

"It's no surprise that the booklet was so controversial. "We think serious feminists have no choice but to abandon heterosexuality," it reads. "Only in the system of oppression that is male supremacy does the oppressor actually invade and colonise the interior of the body of the oppressed." It also asserted that penetration "is more than a symbol, its function and effect is the punishment and control of women"."

There's just so much crazy in that paragraph, I don't even know where to begin.

Next time my wife and I have sex, I'll be sure and tell her that she's being punished and controlled and betraying her gender. It will probably turn her on even more!

sepuku2: submitter: Today, Farkers argue that all women should be lesbians. Ah, progress

I don't know who really wants all women to be lesbians but their full of shiat if you ask me. Only a chronic jerk off would prefer ogling at two dykes munching carpet rather than having a real woman in bed.

/kids these days
//Goes out to my lawn

Smitty is a moron, OR he's a genius making fun of moron who don't know that lesbians are the enemy. Each lesbian reduces the supply of available pussy, thereby increasing demand/competition. These are the same morons who "hate" (fear) gays, which is stupid because each gay dude reduces competition for available pussy.

What we want is bisexual women who will share us with other women and let us join her with other women, but does not want us to share her with other men.

Note - Bisexual women are almost universally bat shiat crazy. Crazier than the average hetero woman.