Interesting, subby?

Maybe she's not reading the same Constitution I am. Has anyone else noticed an article or amendment granting dicatorial powers in time of war? Apparently, Elizabeth labors under the Cincinnatus delusion, that someone will excercise supreme executive power and then willingly surrender it. Sorry lady, W wasn't Cincinnatus, and the Founders explicity placed limits on executive power right there in the Constitution and I've seen the original so there are no "except in times of war" exceptions. Even at the bottom, in really tiny print.

The apple didn't fall far from that tree.

FTA: "The only "exclusive" benefit was the chance to keep manuscripts the library threw out. Usually, I had a limited selection of titles, like 'Proceedings From the Third Workshop on Genetics of Bark Beetles and Associated Micro-Organisms.'"

Lucky guy. I wish I had a job like that.

The 125-page treatise argued that, constitutionally and historically, presidents have virtually unchecked powers in war


In that case, it's a good damned thing that we haven't been at war since 1945.

It sounds impressive.

My thesis was titled "Our Friend the Beaver".

Finding out it's a forgery/hoax in 3.... 2.... 1....

Nevertheless, both he and Richard Nixon after him believed that the resolution provided no "legal basis for their action because they presumed all the authorization they needed was in the Commander and Chief [sic] clause."

she got that wrong? awesome

mongbiohazard: Finding out it's a forgery/hoax in 3.... 2.... 1....

Finding out he's been rendered overseas in 3... 2...

/obligatory?

Oh God, the true evil mastermind behind the Bush administration has been discovered.

Poor, poor Dick. What must she be doing to keep him in line?

This is good news...for Obama!

/"thanks dick!"

Peter von Nostrand: mongbiohazard: Finding out it's a forgery/hoax in 3.... 2.... 1....

Finding out he's been rendered overseas in 3... 2...

/obligatory?


Less like obligatory, more like fantasy. How many American journalists has that happened to?

The president can't declare war or fund a war, but as Commander and Chief he pretty much does have unlimited power as to how the war is prosecuted.

Commander and Chief: words mean things.

And it belongs back on the trash heap of history with the rest of the garbage discarded last week

"There have been and will be times in the experience of the country when constitutional provisions will of necessity be suspended to guarantee the survival of our democracy."
Elizabeth Cheney

Oh Libby, you don't seem to understand that when the constitution is suspended, there is no democracy. This article makes me hate the Cheneys as an entire family.

Welfare Xmas: Commander and Chief

and I thought it was Commander in Chief all this time...duh...

Billy McGoodGuy: cancer of the ass....she deserves a painful, bleeding case of it.

Oh, I get it.
We reverted back to "sins of our father" type justice.

I really hope someone would draw and quarter Amy and Anne Blagojevich

Most colleges lock up this stuff, right?

Oh, yeah...

Slate: taking douchiness to new heights, since (whenever it was started).

Welfare Xmas: Commander and Chief: words mean things.

lol rotsky fail

Like how the article mixes father and daughter to just "Cheney". Big meh - no way I'd want clients (or anyone) judging ME based on my undergrad thesis, let alone magically associating it with my dad.
/I said MEH.

johnsmith99: Oh Libby, you don't seem to understand that when the constitution is suspended, there is no democracy. This article makes me hate the Cheneys as an entire family.

There was a time when this country rejected a king. Sometime in the last few decades, it seems like we came full circle to wanting one again.

BigDamn: Like how the article mixes father and daughter to just "Cheney". Big meh - no way I'd want clients (or anyone) judging ME based on my undergrad thesis, let alone magically associating it with my dad.
/I said MEH.

She gets her beliefs from her dad though, and probably used him as a source for many things in the enormous paper. Cheney is left over from the Nixon administration, he is all about abusing power, this is just another insight into that world, that is all.

i'm all for parents helping kids with homework, but this is rediculous.

Welfare Xmas: The president can't declare war or fund a war, but as Commander and Chief he pretty much does have unlimited power as to how the war is prosecuted.

Commander and Chief: words mean things.

except when you use them

Alucard1191: BigDamn: Like how the article mixes father and daughter to just "Cheney". Big meh - no way I'd want clients (or anyone) judging ME based on my undergrad thesis, let alone magically associating it with my dad.
/I said MEH.

She gets her beliefs from her dad though, and probably used him as a source for many things in the enormous paper. Cheney is left over from the Nixon administration, he is all about abusing power, this is just another insight into that world, that is all.

Except she worked for the Bush administration. Diplomat to the Middle East? Look her up, her hands were far from clean.

Marcus Aurelius: The 125-page treatise argued that, constitutionally and historically, presidents have virtually unchecked powers in war


In that case, it's a good damned thing that we haven't been at war since 1945.

3/10, but only because I haven't heard it in awhile.

T-Servo: Alucard1191: BigDamn: Like how the article mixes father and daughter to just "Cheney". Big meh - no way I'd want clients (or anyone) judging ME based on my undergrad thesis, let alone magically associating it with my dad.
/I said MEH.

She gets her beliefs from her dad though, and probably used him as a source for many things in the enormous paper. Cheney is left over from the Nixon administration, he is all about abusing power, this is just another insight into that world, that is all.

Except she worked for the Bush administration. Diplomat to the Middle East? Look her up, her hands were far from clean.

Oh, I'm not saying that at all, I'm discussing the time which the paper was written and what not. That entire family is dirty politically, and the way they publicly treat their gay daughter is beyond horrible.

But, at the time this was written, and the matter spoken about, (which is what I'm addressing) to me just proves further the philosophy and beliefs of those people and this administration. Much in a similar way the writings of PNAC show us.

I just find it interesting that the family has held beliefs in suspending democracy for the sake of democracy for over 40 years now, and the documentation to me, just shows that some people can't change.

Ennuipoet: Maybe she's not reading the same Constitution I am. Has anyone else noticed an article or amendment granting dicatorial powers in time of war? Apparently, Elizabeth labors under the Cincinnatus delusion, that someone will excercise supreme executive power and then willingly surrender it. Sorry lady, W wasn't Cincinnatus, and the Founders explicity placed limits on executive power right there in the Constitution and I've seen the original so there are no "except in times of war" exceptions. Even at the bottom, in really tiny print.

No, she's reading the same Constitution as Lincoln, FDR, Bush, and her dad

USCLaw2010: Ennuipoet: Maybe she's not reading the same Constitution I am. Has anyone else noticed an article or amendment granting dicatorial powers in time of war? Apparently, Elizabeth labors under the Cincinnatus delusion, that someone will excercise supreme executive power and then willingly surrender it. Sorry lady, W wasn't Cincinnatus, and the Founders explicity placed limits on executive power right there in the Constitution and I've seen the original so there are no "except in times of war" exceptions. Even at the bottom, in really tiny print.

No, she's reading the same Constitution as Lincoln, FDR, Bush, and her dad

Much like most Christians, they're reading the same thing, the way they interpret it is absolutely bizarre.

/Went there.

That ideology is still present. It's a deeply flawed and dangerous and nearly brought us to the brink of ruin. It is sadly only a matter of time before someone push past the breaking point.

kronicfeld: johnsmith99: Oh Libby, you don't seem to understand that when the constitution is suspended, there is no democracy. This article makes me hate the Cheneys as an entire family.

There was a time when this country rejected a king. Sometime in the last few decades, it seems like we came full circle to wanting one again.

How so?

This is nothing new.

Since we ran the Tories out of this country a couple of hundred years ago, their remnants have been arguing for an emperor like President - starting with Hamilton.

Tories always want power concentrated, because they believe Government is there to serve the landed class, at the expense of the commoner. We just saw eight years of this attitude acted out.

From what I've learned from history, Tories can not be reasoned with - you can only put a musketball through their face, burn their home down and send them back to England.

Fark em.

"Lesbian"

Cheney's kid writes a paper on how being at war embiggens a CiC's power and fifteen years later the Dark Sith Lord puts it into practise by engineering a war mostly for the benefit of Haliburton and western based Big Energy concerns?

Reminds Quatchi of another Cheney redux story. The one where a certain big assed company accepts a 3.9 million dollar Pentagon contract to ascertain whether it would be a good idea to put all war contracts under one big Umbrella contract, the LogCap concept.

A few million bucks over the original budget and the answer comes back.

Sure, is good idea.

The company who was paid to look into the idea was also the company that recieved the first logCap and has held on tightly to it to this day.

Halliburton, of course.

At the time that story reminded Quatchi of how Dickless was the guy who was brought in to make up a short list of potential Veep nominees and ended up picking himself.

If the additional info from this story isn't totally it goes a long way towards showing how much that Cheney just likes going with precedent.

The thing about being a "War President" that Dumbya figured out is that it bolsters support for your admin while minimising dissent.

Anyone who thinks Iraq is a "War" in the conventional sense of being a battle between two vastly powerful nations is a fool.

Calling Iraq a war is like calling Mike Tyson curbstomping a five year a "prize fight".

Vietnam was the last thing the US did that could even remotely be called a war and even that wasn't a real war.

Most of America's conflicts post WWII were just Pentagon boondoggles designed to provide a rationale continuing on with the most excessive military spending on the planet

/Yes, just blathering now.
//So wot? Is cathartic.

Apik0r0s: Since we ran the Tories out of this country a couple of hundred years ago, their remnants have been arguing for an emperor like President - starting with Hamilton.

Hamilton was a Federalist, not a Torry. Yes, he did suggest making Washington king, but I think that was more about seeing how far he could go than anything.

Then Aaron Burr took him out and shot him and things started going to hell.

kronicfeld: johnsmith99: Oh Libby, you don't seem to understand that when the constitution is suspended, there is no democracy. This article makes me hate the Cheneys as an entire family.

There was a time when this country rejected a king. Sometime in the last few decades, it seems like we came full circle to wanting one again.

The past few decades? There was a thought that Washington would become a supreme, lifelong executive. He easily could have done it and had the peoples support. Jackson similarly was a very domineering, king like executive (they called him King Andrew for a reason). The appeal of a powerful executive is hardly new in this country.

Jonathan Hohensee: Billy McGoodGuy: cancer of the ass....she deserves a painful, bleeding case of it.

Oh, I get it.
We reverted back to "sins of our father" type justice.

I really hope someone would draw and quarter Amy and Anne Blagojevich

If they've written a thesis on how selling senate seats is actually the cornerstone of democracy, then... yes.

quatchi:
Long post about halliburton.


In America, Greed is considered a virtue, and blind faith and patriotism is a good thing. It makes me genuinely sad that real crooks are free to pillage and rape, while are prisons are full of stoners.

/All about priority.

Ennuipoet: Maybe she's not reading the same Constitution I am. Has anyone else noticed an article or amendment granting dicatorial powers in time of war? Apparently, Elizabeth labors under the Cincinnatus delusion, that someone will excercise supreme executive power and then willingly surrender it. Sorry lady, W wasn't Cincinnatus, and the Founders explicity placed limits on executive power right there in the Constitution and I've seen the original so there are no "except in times of war" exceptions. Even at the bottom, in really tiny print.

You are reading it wrong. The President is Commander in Chief. He/she, alone, has the power over the military. Congress has the power to remove any funding for any military operation.

Move along people. Just wait for some more Democrat corruption. Nuthin' to see here. Move along, citizens.

Usually, a little corruption is grounds for a leadership position with the dems.

Alucard1191: I just find it interesting that the family has held beliefs in suspending democracy for the sake of democracy for over 40 years now, and the documentation to me, just shows that some people can't change.

Fair enough.

I bet David Addington lifted from her work and didn't properly cite Libby.

Man finds discarded document at college library.

/The constitution.

Bucky Katt: Welfare Xmas: The president can't declare war or fund a war, but as Commander and Chief he pretty much does have unlimited power as to how the war is prosecuted.

Commander and Chief: words mean things.

except when you use them

lol

i am amused.

Somebody solvent, buy Bucky Katt a TF membership - his comeback to Welfare Xmas should be part of the Fark highlight reel.

Ah the First Boobies Post was off base.

When we declared, we were under War, I really didn't get the substance or reason of doing that. There was no War being fought here. Iraq wasn't doing anything. I fully understood what Bush/Cheney were doing as a bit of time passed by, and everything they did under the cloud of War would be forgiven. Torture, I hope is not forgiven. I love how they keep saying, finally after everything is said and done; it was only 3 times for waterboarding. They tortured children. John Yoo should have quit his job instead of making it seem legal. Lawyers are good for Bush. He's been hiding behind them for far to long. This isn't the first time a college paper or discussion was used to rule the law of our land. But, the GOP has a nice history in doing that

/they could never be trusted to tell the truth
//it's isn't we're ready for the truth, they can't handle their own truth. They'd be hung for telling the truth.

Is this the ghey one