So, their motto is 'Hawaii: If you're not happy, sexy, and have money, GTFO!' ?.

I've seen Dog the Bounty Hunter. Just how do they tell a regular resident from a vagrant?

CygnusDarius: So, their motto is 'Hawaii: If you're not happy, sexy, and have money, GTFO!' ?.

That is every where's policy, most just don't have an enforcement plan.

CygnusDarius: So, their motto is 'Hawaii: If you're not happy, sexy, and have money, GTFO!' ?.

That's pretty much the motto for my bedroom.

/I could go either way on the happy part.

I'm guessing every other state should offer a similar program. Do you want to be homeless in our cold state or homeless in nice, warm Hawaii?

I don't think Hawaii thought their clever plan all the way through.

I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.

I see a huge decline in roundtrip tickets coming.

That is every where's policy, most just don't have an enforcement plan.

Not New York. The Empire State's policy is "Are you shiftless, lazy or unwilling to work? Have a shiatload of government benefits that are bankrupting the state."

Been done..
Atlanta before the Olympics, but it was one way bus tickets

Justin Case: I see a huge decline in roundtrip tickets coming.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Take a one way ticket, have fun, then go in and declare yourself as homeless and get a free ticket back home. Profit!!!

FTA "It's hard (to save)," added Strickland, who lives in a friend's van.

I'm guessing down by the river.

AFTA Bill Lukasik, 54, came to Hawai'i from Chicago about a year and a half ago and said he is here to stay.

Let see currently in Chicago it's 6F, while in Hawai'i it's 69F (5am local time), yeah, no contest there.

What they're not telling you is that, to save fuel, they're tossing the homeless out halfway between Honolulu and LA.

Given the climate of Hawaii, I would think it would take more than that to get me to leave if I were homeless. I'd say, set me up with a $65000 and an apartment. But of course this is a program for people who find themselves homeless once there and stuck. So it seems like a fairly generous offer that could benefit both parties. If I had only a choice between homeless and stuck in Hawaii and homeless and stuck and, say, Wisconsin, I think I would decline the airfare.

Read:

Get rid of Haoles!

I would love to be the returning tourist, sitting right next to a homeless guy who just crapped his pants before getting on the flight. For 8 hours.

/not really

generaltimmy: Been done..
Atlanta before the Olympics, but it was one way bus tickets

Nope. Different.

This is aimed solely at non-Hawaiians (whities)

Yeah, this is all carrot and no stick. They need to roll out the "one-way ticket or we blowdart you with Narcan and Antabuse if we catch you on the street" option. It's all about the incentive.

YoggiSothoth: I'm guessing every other state should offer a similar program. Do you want to be homeless in our cold state or homeless in nice, warm Hawaii?

I don't think Hawaii thought their clever plan all the way through.

No shait. I think I'll start a "Fly'em to Hawaii" fund. Put on a nose clip and head on down to the Jesus House (local homeless shelter) and ask for volunteers to go to Hawaii. I'm guessing for ever bum Hawaii moves out, we can move 10 in.

NYZooMan: generaltimmy: Been done..
Atlanta before the Olympics, but it was one way bus tickets

Nope. Different.

This is aimed solely at non-Hawaiians (whities)

Huh. I wonder what would happen if Atlanta offered one-way plane tickets to Africa for blacks?

That's awesome!!!!

*pauses*

HEY, WAITAMINUTE!

Huh. I wonder what would happen if Atlanta offered one-way plane tickets to Africa for blacks?

White folks would offer rides to the ticket distribution center?

The place I used to live in was a tourist town, and they didn't like those smelly homeless people spoiling the scenic beauty and panhandling the tourists. So they bought them a bus ticket out of town. To Idaho. It's their problem now!

Benevolent Misanthrope: Huh. I wonder what would happen if Atlanta offered one-way plane tickets to Africa for blacks?

Moving Africans Rapidly To Africa?

South Park did it.

I like this idea. I have been wanting to go to Hawaii on vacation and this will save me the cost of return airfare.

This happens constantly in the southeast.
Charleston will send them to Savannah...
Savannah to Jacksonville...
Jacksonville to Charleston....ect
think they spend more money on the Greyhound tickets than it would cost at the soup kitchen.

Hey -I like that headline.

Well, as a tourist, I don't have a home there and well, I'm not from there... Looks like I can save some money on my vacation this year.

Is it cheaper to fly one way to Hawaii than round trip? Since I stopped flying I haven't paid much attention to airline pricing games.

I think South Carolina did something like this a while back.. offered homeless people a free one way bus ticket to anywhere they wanted to go out of the state.

NYZooMan: generaltimmy: Been done..
Atlanta before the Olympics, but it was one way bus tickets



Yea bus ticket may not accomplish there goal.

This is cheaper. Just point it east.

NightOwl2255: YoggiSothoth: I'm guessing every other state should offer a similar program. Do you want to be homeless in our cold state or homeless in nice, warm Hawaii?

I don't think Hawaii thought their clever plan all the way through.

No shait. I think I'll start a "Fly'em to Hawaii" fund. Put on a nose clip and head on down to the Jesus House (local homeless shelter) and ask for volunteers to go to Hawaii. I'm guessing for ever bum Hawaii moves out, we can move 10 in.

States are already doing that, with a [wink wink, nudge nudge]. And it's really farking expensive. It costs other states roughly $500 to dump their homeless mentally ill out here, costing Hawai'i tens of thousands of dollars to provide basic treatment and costing our hospitals the same or more in unrecovered emergency room costs.

Our mental health system has gone to shiat under the Lingle administration -- we were previously under a consent decree that subjected the state to federal oversight, which ensured additional services and additional costs. When the federal mandate was lifted, services started getting cut right and left. The highest level of care, Assertive Community Treatment (ACT) was eliminated altogether. That means no more integrated mental health/substance abuse treatment as outpatients. Community Based Case Management (CBCM), a lower level of care, has gone from up-to-24 hour care to a maximum of 3.5 hours a month of support. The state will pay for no more than that, which means providers are no longer even driving out to see clients in the field.

Hawai'i -- warm or not -- no longer has the money to pay for other states' dumped clients. I honestly think that if there is evidence that another state or state-funded mental health provider has dumped a client out here, we should be billing that state or that mental health provider for their services. If something isn't done, we're going to have more drug abuse, more violence, more homeless in our parks, from Waikiki to Waianae, driving off tourism which used to fund most everything. It's not safe for the client, and untreated mental illness is unsafe for the community.

Quit dumping people out here.

NYZooMan: generaltimmy: Been done..
Atlanta before the Olympics, but it was one way bus tickets

Nope. Different.

This is aimed solely at non-Hawaiians (whities)

Well Native Hawaiians get a draw from the Bishop's Trust which is a bit like that oil check Alaskans get (IIRC its a multi-billion trust funded by the assets of the last King), so add that to the still-strong clan and tribe obligations and you have a halfway decent safety net for natives.

Like the Caribbean, you also get a lot of young dreamers who move there because of the awesome climate/scenery and blithely assume they can get jobs to support themselves.

When they arrive they find the cost of living is sky high (higher than NY or Chicago) jobs are actually pretty scarce and once they get there they have no easy way back home.

Fly homeless off the islands.......I love the way they call it a "pilot program".

mferris: I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.


Good point, because no one ever traveled to or from Hawaii before aircraft were invented.

The article says it's a "pilot" program....

Does this mean they get a free ticket but they have to fly the plane too?

Just askin'

I blame the policy of deinstitutionalization. We need to bring back asylums and lobotomies. We'll never get the next lunatic supervillain with namby-pamby "community treatment".

ScottRiqui: mferris: I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.


Good point, because no one ever traveled to or from Hawaii before aircraft were invented.

You do know when Hawai'i became a state, right? I mean, I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the homeless folks in Hawai'i got here by canoe or ship.

xBodo99: ScottRiqui: mferris: I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.


Good point, because no one ever traveled to or from Hawaii before aircraft were invented.

You do know when Hawai'i became a state, right? I mean, I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the homeless folks in Hawai'i got here by canoe or ship.

In fact I believe there is a law that no passenger ship can travel from Hawaii to the US mainland.

Just how are the homeless going to get past airport security with their shopping carts and empty soda cans??? Also, is there mandatory showering before boarding? (Won't someone please think of the paying passengers?!)

/aisle seat...

xBodo99: ScottRiqui: mferris: I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.


Good point, because no one ever traveled to or from Hawaii before aircraft were invented.

You do know when Hawai'i became a state, right? I mean, I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the homeless folks in Hawai'i got here by canoe or ship.


Irrelevant - that doesn't mean that you can't send them *out* of Hawaii by ship. I was just contesting mferris' claim that the only way out of Hawaii was with an airline ticket.

xBodo99:
Quit dumping people out here.

No.

Trust me, it's funny for the rest of us this way.

xBodo99: NightOwl2255: YoggiSothoth: I'm guessing every other state should offer a similar program. Do you want to be homeless in our cold state or homeless in nice, warm Hawaii?

I don't think Hawaii thought their clever plan all the way through.

No shait. I think I'll start a "Fly'em to Hawaii" fund. Put on a nose clip and head on down to the Jesus House (local homeless shelter) and ask for volunteers to go to Hawaii. I'm guessing for ever bum Hawaii moves out, we can move 10 in.

States are already doing that, with a [wink wink, nudge nudge]. And it's really farking expensive. It costs other states roughly $500 to dump their homeless mentally ill out here, costing Hawai'i tens of thousands of dollars to provide basic treatment and costing our hospitals the same or more in unrecovered emergency room costs.

Our mental health system has gone to shiat under the Lingle administration -- we were previously under a consent decree that subjected the state to federal oversight, which ensured additional services and additional costs. When the federal mandate was lifted, services started getting cut right and left. The highest level of care, Assertive Community Treatment (ACT) was eliminated altogether. That means no more integrated mental health/substance abuse treatment as outpatients. Community Based Case Management (CBCM), a lower level of care, has gone from up-to-24 hour care to a maximum of 3.5 hours a month of support. The state will pay for no more than that, which means providers are no longer even driving out to see clients in the field.

Hawai'i -- warm or not -- no longer has the money to pay for other states' dumped clients. I honestly think that if there is evidence that another state or state-funded mental health provider has dumped a client out here, we should be billing that state or that mental health provider for their services. If something isn't done, we're going to have more drug abuse, more violence, more homeless in our parks, from Waikiki to Waianae, driving off tourism which used to fund most everything. It's not safe for the client, and untreated mental illness is unsafe for the community.

Quit dumping people out here.

any proof of said "dumping" to hawaii??

NightOwl2255: xBodo99: ScottRiqui: mferris: I was thinking about this just the other day. The only way to get out of Hawaii is if you can afford an airline ticket. If you go broke/homeless in Hawaii, you're pretty much farked. Although I suppose there are worse places to be homeless and/or stranded.


Good point, because no one ever traveled to or from Hawaii before aircraft were invented.

You do know when Hawai'i became a state, right? I mean, I'm willing to bet that less than 1% of the homeless folks in Hawai'i got here by canoe or ship.

In fact I believe there is a law that no passenger ship can travel from Hawaii to the US mainland.


The law is that no *foreign-flagged vessel* may carry passengers between Hawaii and the U.S. mainland without first stopping in a foreign country. This is why there's virtually no cruise-ship traffic directly from the mainland to Hawaii, since almost no cruise ships are U.S.-flagged.

If you want to get people from Hawaii to the mainland by boat, all the law means is that you have to use a U.S.-flagged vessel (which obviously doesn't have to be a cruiseliner).

I think I'd rather be homeless in Hawaii then own a row home in Detroit.

Gosharootie, hasn't the Gummint been doing that for years? I mean all those homeless folks that get picked up by the BP on their way to cities in the US, after their swim across the Rio Grande. We buy them free rides back home, over and over and over... Once I was offered a free ride home from Antigua by a nice policeman there. He said I'd like the Greyhound ride. Somehow I found the way off the island, like...overnight. But I wasn't homeless, I was a bum.

xBodo99:

Our mental health system has gone to shiat under the Lingle administration -- we were previously under a consent decree that subjected the state to federal oversight, which ensured additional services and additional costs. When the federal mandate was lifted, services started getting cut right and left. The highest level of care, Assertive Community Treatment (ACT) was eliminated altogether. That means no more integrated mental health/substance abuse treatment as outpatients. Community Based Case Management (CBCM), a lower level of care, has gone from up-to-24 hour care to a maximum of 3.5 hours a month of support. The state will pay for no more than that, which means providers are no longer even driving out to see clients in the field.

Hawai'i -- warm or not -- no longer has the money to pay for other states' dumped clients. I honestly think that if there is evidence that another state or state-funded mental health provider has dumped a client out here, we should be billing that state or that mental health provider for their services. If something isn't done, we're going to have more drug abuse, more violence, more homeless in our parks, from Waikiki to Waianae, driving off tourism which used to fund most everything. It's not safe for the client, and untreated mental illness is unsafe for the community.

Quit dumping people out here.

I always wondering if dumping was causing it. I moved to the mainland for college back in '93 (ended up meeting a girl, getting married, and staying here) and the homeless problem wasn't nearly as bad then as it is now. About 4 months ago I was back visiting family in Waianae -- I've never seen anything in HI like what I saw in Maili. Tents covering the beach for miles. Much worse than it was even at Tracks off of Farrington back in the early '90s. Those are mostly homeless locals, though.

But Aala Park? Ala Moana Beach Park? My god. I can't believe it's gotten that bad. Looked to be mostly bug-fark crazy folks; not many locals, it looked like.

FunkOut: I've seen Dog the Bounty Hunter. Just how do they tell a regular resident from a vagrant?

Vagrants don't drive huge SUV's and carry mace and other "non-lethal" weaponry.

Isn't there one small island that used to be a leper colony? Just a thought...