What I wouldn't give to see those douchebag guido kids sucked through a jet engine...

Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before for pressurization issues. Has anybody else heard that?

benlonghair: Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before for pressurization issues. Has anybody else heard that?

My or may not be true... However, I don't see that as relevant to this crash since it was do to engine failure, not pressure failure. Besides, it didn't sound like they were high enough that loss of pressure would even be noticeable.

nacker: benlonghair: Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before for pressurization issues. Has anybody else heard that?

My or may not be true... However, I don't see that as relevant to this crash since it was do to engine failure, not pressure failure. Besides, it didn't sound like they were high enough that loss of pressure would even be noticeable.

I doubt it's true, anyway. The ability to maintain pressure is what allowed it to float for as long as it did.

Several safety board investigators remained in New York supervising Airbus technicians as the wings and vertical and horizontal stabilizers are removed from the body of the jet and the wreckage is prepared for long-term storage at a secure facility.

We have top men working on it now. Top.....Men.

Skail:I doubt it's true, anyway. The ability to maintain pressure is what allowed it to float for as long as it did.

I'm not sure if they pressurize the luggage compartments or not, but I'm pretty sure any aircraft with all of the emergency exits open doesn't maintain pressure very well.

nacker: Skail:I doubt it's true, anyway. The ability to maintain pressure is what allowed it to float for as long as it did.

I'm not sure if they pressurize the luggage compartments or not, but I'm pretty sure any aircraft with all of the emergency exits open doesn't maintain pressure very well.

They pressurize the luggage compartments. Back in the seventies a couple of DC-10s lost their cargo doors as they reached higher altitudes, causing catastrophic loss of cabin pressure, and in both cases blew out part of the cabin floor through which hydraulic lines ran. In one case (a Turkish airline flying from Paris to London) that caused complete loss of control and made the plane fall down and go boom, killing all 300+ passengers and crew, in the other (an American Airlines out of Detroit) it caused partial loss of hydraulic pressure that made the landing back in Detroit exciting.

They also pressurize the luggage compartment because people transport pets and whatnot that go in there and you'd end up with a frozen, dead petcicle otherwise.

Pretty sure the main reason that this airplane floated was because it was loaded with lighter-than-water kerosene, and was pretty much intact after the landing. Helps that it ditched in a river, which doesn't have those huge waves you get out in the ocean.

There were no geese.

Sully just shut down the engines so he could become a hero.

/tinfoil hat.

Skail: What I wouldn't give to see those douchebag guido kids sucked through a jet engine...

This link will make you happy. (pops)
I'm too lazy to search for a source -- the NYPost one was dead.

I blame Bush.

Maybe the impact with the water basically "pressure-washed" any visible organic matter away.

benlonghair: Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before for pressurization issues. Has anybody else heard that?

It was a compressor stall. They restarted the engine and continued the flight.

hienekenftw: There were no geese.

Sully just shut down the engines so he could become a hero.

/tinfoil hat.

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benlonghair 2009-01-25 09:49:33 AM
Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before


Close. It was a compressor problem in one of the engines that caaused the engine to shutdown. It was restarted in flight and later repairs were made. I know nothing of these kinds of things but from what I have gathered this is not an uncommon problem. In extreme cases this is what causes the backfiring like blast of flame out the back of one of these engines. Can be disconcerting for an inexperieinced flyer but veterans appear to take it in stride.

Sorry Demanton, didn't catch your post. Too slow on my part.

maybe it was the angels from dogma?

rantmeister Close. It was a compressor problem in one of the engines that caaused the engine to shutdown. It was restarted in flight and later repairs were made. I know nothing of these kinds of things but from what I have gathered this is not an uncommon problem. In extreme cases this is what causes the backfiring like blast of flame out the back of one of these engines. Can be disconcerting for an inexperieinced flyer but veterans appear to take it in stride.

A backfiring like blast of flame out of an engine would probably result a similar action from most fliers, experienced or not.

I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

/someone had to
//for the Zipper

Well, it was certainly soft after the plane tenderized it.

They have extracted what they believe to be the "soft body" from the muddy river bottom...

nacker: I'm not sure if they pressurize the luggage compartments or not

Of course they do. The fuselage is, to a first approximation, a cylinder. Keeping the entire cylinder pressurized ensures that the pressure is evenly applied across the entire area of the cylinder, which greatly simplifies a lot of structural considerations. Think of it like a soda can or submarine (only with the submarine, the high pressure is on the outside) -- a cylindrical shape provides great strength when resisting pressure. A half-cylinder would be much weaker than cylinder.

For small, unpressurized aircraft (Cessnas and the like), it's not a concern, as they don't ever reach sufficient altitude where lack of pressurization would be a concern, so they don't need to build the plane to deal with such issues.

Leaving physics and engineering out of it, there's also a lot of stuff (shaving cream, pets, etc.) that are transported in the cargo hold that might react poorly to low pressure. The airline may or may not heat the luggage compartment, but that's a different concern altogether. I seem to recall reading that some aircraft have a separate compartment in the luggage area that can be heated for pets and whatnot, but I'm not 100% sure.

Want to test if the luggage compartment is pressurized (short of stowing away in checked luggage)? Get a bag of potato chips or something other sealed-yet-easily-opened-due-to-pressure-changes thing and place it in your checked luggage in a manner where it won't get punctured or crushed by other items (or stolen and eaten by the TSA and baggage handlers). When you arrive at your destination, check to see if the bag has ruptured. If not, then the luggage compartment was pressurized...or the TSA was hungry.

I had the Angel plot thought this morning while cooking breakfast... then took it few steps further with a plot.... plane strikes something on take-off but no one is sure what it is... everyone survives an incredible landing... pilot a hero... engines are examined as part of the investigation... odd, never before feather type of material and bone are recovered.... DNA shows no type of animal in existence - in fact, it is structured 'perfect'. In another parallel time, an Angel is watching and sees the plane in peril - and quickly has to chose a course of action - one that will mean His certain elimination. The Angel dives into the jet, an act that creates an outstanding soft water landing, saving 155 lives - even with the realization that He is the Last Angel.

/thought it was kinda cool
//damn pot

heypete: nacker: I'm not sure if they pressurize the luggage compartments or not


Leaving physics and engineering out of it, there's also a lot of stuff (shaving cream, pets, etc.) that are transported in the cargo hold that might react poorly to low pressure.


I work for an airline and talked to a mechanic who told me had to do a cleanup for a lady who's colostomy bag "reacted poorly" to the pressure change upon descent. they had to don hazmat suits for the cleanup.

Hat Madder: A backfiring like blast of flame out of an engine would probably result a similar action from most fliers, experienced or not.

Depends; if you've got 2 or 4 engines, not such a big deal. Single-engined Cessna, it's poopy time.

clipperbox: heypete: nacker: I'm not sure if they pressurize the luggage compartments or not


Leaving physics and engineering out of it, there's also a lot of stuff (shaving cream, pets, etc.) that are transported in the cargo hold that might react poorly to low pressure.


I work for an airline and talked to a mechanic who told me had to do a cleanup for a lady who's colostomy bag "reacted poorly" to the pressure change upon descent. they had to don hazmat suits for the cleanup.

She checked her colostomy bag as luggage? I've heard of one bag carry on ... but come on.

FYI:

Airbus 310

Payload with maximum passenger load:
7000 kg. / 30 m³

Loading:
Containerized and palletized in the main decks.
Bulk - loaded in the bulk compartments.

Hold capabilities:

Forward and aft cargo compartments are heated, pressurized, and ventilated.

Skail: What I wouldn't give to see those douchebag guido kids sucked through a jet engine...

Why isn't there a .gif of the guy getting run through Serenity's engine?

I'd hate to see what happened if it hit a hard body then.

Unpressurized cargo holds sure would suck for the dogs and cats aboard.

benlonghair: Somebody told me that they'd heard that this plane had been grounded a couple days before for pressurization issues. Has anybody else heard that?

And...your point? There's not a plane in any airline's fleet that hasn't been grounded for a few days for whatever reason. Aircraft are fickle machines sometimes...and the regulations governing how and when we can fly them around with passengers on board are extremely strict. Thus why, sometimes, your flight might cancel due to maintenance and you see them fly it out anyway. It's legal to fly...just not with passengers on board.

heypete: ...lots of talking...


My point wasn't about the luggage compartment being pressurized or not, it was more to the fact that the doors were open so there wouldn't be any pressure built up anyways. But thanks for the thesis.

So are they thinking maybe it wasn't fowl play?

Servo1969: Maybe the impact with the water basically "pressure-washed" any visible organic matter away.

This.