FTFA:

Up to 20,000 U.S. Marines could be deployed in Afghanistan as part of a planned major troop build-up to battle worsening insurgent violence, the top U.S. Marine officer said on Friday.


Submitter needs to go back to Reading Comprehension 101.

A) Seen in the article is used to say that they foresee those troops moving in, not that they are physically entering the country.

B) Obama said he would do this the entire campaign.

C) This is actually change. By taking the focus back to the Taliban and Al-Queda, and off the fictional terrorists and fictional WMD in Iraq.

D) I don't need a D.

Maybe they're on their why to Pakistan, Obama ordered missile attacks on Pakistan earlier this week killed about 25 people.

Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

wow... troops actually going where we need them? What a concept.

cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

Hmm, throwing more troops into Afghanistan.

Yep that's never been tried before by any other army in history.

This should end quickly and efficiently.

cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

It was a little more than ""I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa"

borg:
How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.


Oh ... damn, man, I completely forgot that you're insane.

Thanks for the reminder.

Obama ran on fighting in Afghanistan as a matter of national security. So if this is a shock to you, you should probably pay attention more.

borg: How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

Are you retarded or is this an intentional thing?

borg: cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

It was a little more than ""I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa"

borg: cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

It was a little more than ""I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa"

If "550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium" had been found in Iraq I think it would have made the news dumbass.

Phoenix_M: If "550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium" had been found in Iraq I think it would have made the news dumbass.

If there were 550 metric tons of uranium in one Iraqi building, I think Google Earth could have shown us the mushroom cloud.

borg: or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

Link

"The undertaking, named "Operation McCall" by Pentagon officials, was in the planning stages for months and was completed Saturday after the material had been in transit for weeks, according to (Pentagon Spokesman Brian) Whitman.

He said yellowcake uranium is a commonly traded commodity used for nuclear power generation. It is not enriched and cannot be used without first going through a complicated enrichment process, he said, but because of the unstable nature of Iraq, the United States and the Iraqi government decided it should be moved out of that country. Iraq has no nuclear power generating plants."

So get that - he isn't just wrong - it's just a straight out lie. Something I found with a 30 second google search.

This kind of thing gets me angry. I don't mind spin, spin is what /politics is for. But this isn't spin. This is simply lying to us hoping the gullible and those who won't fact check will believe him.

And this is ignoring that the guy who did the first WTC attack is rotting in a jail cell, and the OK City bomber got a needle.

Do you think we're stupid you little punk? Think we don't fact check? THIS IS FARK. We're a little brighter then the people you're use to dealing with on NRO or Free Republic.

Now go learn to debate and back up your positions before you even think of showing your ugly mug here.

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Wow, moving Marines and a 'change' joke warrants paranoid defensiveness amongst the bots.

well, he promised to shift the focus in the middle east from iraq to afghanistan his entire campaign so

congrats to obama on following through on campaign promises?

Phoenix_M: borg: cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

It was a little more than ""I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa"

borg: cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

How about the man behind the first World Trade Center Bombing or the man(really) behind the Oklahoma City bombing or the man behind the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that was found in Iraq & was shipped to Canada last year.

It was a little more than ""I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa"

If "550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium" had been found in Iraq I think it would have made the news dumbass.

Well he's not lying - there WAS a lot of yellowcake in Iraq. But here's the trick - yellowcake is unprocessed. It's used as a trade good. It's not dangerous in the least. Some Iraqi company probably did business and bought it. Iraq has no way to use it, and never did.

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festus: cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

Hmm, throwing more troops into Afghanistan.

Yep that's never been tried before by any other army in history.

This should end quickly and efficiently.

Granted there has never been an army as powerful as the U.S. military.

The problem is the Vietnam scenario where you end up fighting a war in only half the warzone and the home population loses interest.

State building will take decades, and it is much easier in Iraq despite what people think.

DemonEater: saintstryfe: /Paid for by Readers and Posters of Fark Against Idiots

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The Yeas have it.

/UFIA

(fta)"Up to 20,000 U.S. Marines could be deployed in Afghanistan as part of a planned major troop build-up..."

Well that gives THEM something to do.

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Saintstryfe beat me to it, but yeah, the 550 metric tons was low enriched uranium. Not weaponizable, cannot be made into a nuclear weapon, and is only usable for power generation. It's perfectly legal and acceptable in every nation in the world, and not a violation of any UN conventions or non-proliferation treaty.

That stuff had been in Iraq for decades, and was well known to UN inspectors. So, borg, the question stands--are you retarded, or just intentionally being stupid?

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Warmonger

foreseen is like forespotted, so subby's close, right?

jevman: C) This is actually change. By taking the focus back to the Taliban and Al-Queda, and off the fictional terrorists and fictional WMD in Iraq.

Actually, by now the stiuation has evolved that there are actual terrorists (and probably actual WMD) in Iraq. And the neocons argue that we're needed there more than ever before now. It's the same argument that they use that the eye defeats evolution; the terrorists in Iraq confirm the use of force from the beginning...

Good enough, but I doubt terrorists are going to politely hold still for us while we patiently attend to failed states one at a time.

Or is that "flypaper" strategy okay to mention again?

I hate to disrupt a perfectly hijacked thread to actually discuss TFA, but since when has an amphibious landing been important in the last 40 50 years?

But Conway told reporters that sending too many Marines to Afghanistan could jeopardize the corps' ability to resume training in vital areas, including amphibious landings, after a hiatus of several years.

The Marines may also be out of practice with their sabres.

I just got back from Kandahar and KAF is in construction overdrive to accommodate these new Marines, although the number being tossed around there was 14,000, not 20,000. Still it's serious good news - now the coalition can take and hold insurgent areas rather than just doing a security sweep and leaving the area to be repopulated by the Taliban a day later.

Won't that leave states short of national guard units and equipment when 10,000 people die as a result of a tornado. (new window)

/obama doesn't care about tornado victims

zefal: Won't that leave states short of national guard units and equipment when 10,000 people die as a result of a tornado. (new window)

/obama doesn't care about tornado victims

recruiting is up with the bad economy. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/us/19recruits.html?partner=permalink&expro d=pe rmalink

40below: I just got back from Kandahar and KAF is in construction overdrive to accommodate these new Marines, although the number being tossed around there was 14,000, not 20,000. Still it's serious good news - now the coalition can take and hold insurgent areas rather than just doing a security sweep and leaving the area to be repopulated by the Taliban a day later.

What's the feeling with the troops about us not staying past 2011?

History is apparently not one of Obama's strong points.

That_Bob_Guy: I hate to disrupt a perfectly hijacked thread to actually discuss TFA, but since when has an amphibious landing been important in the last 40 50 years?

But Conway told reporters that sending too many Marines to Afghanistan could jeopardize the corps' ability to resume training in vital areas, including amphibious landings, after a hiatus of several years.

The Marines may also be out of practice with their sabres.

Iran has a lot of coastline.

He probably just forgot to pretend like he didn't know where we were invading next.

The Marines have been begging to get out of Iraq for some time too.

Silovik: What's the feeling with the troops about us not staying past 2011?

I didn't meet one soldier who believed it. Even the generals couldn't muster much enthusiasm to defend the talking points when I asked them about it. The consensus is we'll rename the mission, from combat to "PRT force protection and district security" or some damn thing, we'll go on doing exactly the same job as we're now doing, and we'll be there for another 20 years at full strength (an opinion I happen to agree with.)

If we were leaving in 2011, we'd already be shutting stuff down and driving vehicles towards Pakistan, something that would take at least a year because all that kit is not coming out on C-17s. We would not be adding helicopters, drones and armoured vehicles to the mission.

Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Iran has a lot of coastline.

Yea, and there's a shiatload of everything along the coast. It'd be nice to have Bandar Abbas & Qeshm to make sure the Strait of Hormuz stays open. Maybe the amphib practice would be prudent.

40below: Silovik: What's the feeling with the troops about us not staying past 2011?

I didn't meet one soldier who believed it. Even the generals couldn't muster much enthusiasm to defend the talking points when I asked them about it. The consensus is we'll rename the mission, from combat to "PRT force protection and district security" or some damn thing, we'll go on doing exactly the same job as we're now doing, and we'll be there for another 20 years at full strength (an opinion I happen to agree with.)

If we were leaving in 2011, we'd already be shutting stuff down and driving vehicles towards Pakistan, something that would take at least a year because all that kit is not coming out on C-17s. We would not be adding helicopters, drones and armoured vehicles to the mission.

That makes sense, I never really thought we would follow through, but I am glad to hear the Canadian military hasn't let the party debates effect the mission.

Thanks for the input, take care and keep safe if/when you head back.

Silovik: Thanks for the input, take care and keep safe if/when you head back.

Thanks. I got back to Canada last night, safe and sound. I had some of the finest bodyguards in the world over there looking out for me. I'd like to have door gunners, Protector remote weapons systems and close protection teams dressed in CADPAT around me here.

40below: Silovik: Thanks for the input, take care and keep safe if/when you head back.

Thanks. I got back to Canada last night, safe and sound. I had some of the finest bodyguards in the world over there looking out for me. I'd like to have door gunners, Protector remote weapons systems and close protection teams dressed in CADPAT around me here.

Ew, you went from a relatively nice place like Afghanistan to a hellhole like CANADA?

What a horrible turn of events.

So the Chairman Obama (Vietnam) war has started?

thats

Change we can believe in

"Ew, you went from a relatively nice place like Afghanistan to a hellhole like CANADA?"

ew, Canada, like you wait in line there for Healthcare? 6 Month wait for a MRI?

winterwhile: "Ew, you went from a relatively nice place like Afghanistan to a hellhole like CANADA?"

ew, Canada, like you wait in line there for Healthcare? 6 Month wait for a MRI?

They have healthcare there? Are the hospitals made of snow, like all those igloo houses?

cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

I guess Obama is not concerned about doing oil business with the Taliban.

cretinbob: Afghanistan is where we needed to be, not Iraq tardmitter.

If Bush hadn't been such a farknut dumbshiat, maybe we could have actually had some type of result in the war on Terra. But nooooo, he had to play the "I'm gunna get the man that shot mah Pa" bullshiat.

Yeah, Iraq was significantly more complicated than that, and if you're gonna oversimplify it into one sentence "dammit, we need a target, and that Saddam guy has ben repeatedly volunteering on international TV for half a decade" would be more accurate.

US needs to get out of A-Stan immediately.

Yet another big waste of time/resources. Who was the last conqueror to successfully invade and control Afghanistan, Alexander the Great?

Believe it or not my fellow American's we don't have anything to offer the rest of the world as the world's policeman or occupiers or {INSERT MEDDLING IN OTHERS INTERNAL AFFAIRS BASED ON FALLACIOUS REASONING HERE}.

The states is at its best as a commercial power; snicker bars, pr0n, shiatty hollywood films and other inventions are were we can contribute to the world in a positive way.

ilambiquated: The Marines have been begging to get out of Iraq for some time too.

As a marine about to go to Iraq I am definitely getting a kick out of this reply. Nobody wants to go to iraq, every time highers up visit us we ask what the chances of our unit getting sent to Afghanistan are.

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Is that a terrorist fist bump?

That_Bob_Guy: I hate to disrupt a perfectly hijacked thread to actually discuss TFA, but since when has an amphibious landing been important in the last 40 50 years?

But Conway told reporters that sending too many Marines to Afghanistan could jeopardize the corps' ability to resume training in vital areas, including amphibious landings, after a hiatus of several years.

The Marines may also be out of practice with their sabres.

Although most Marines acknowledge that they're pretty unlikely to do a full-scale amphibious insertion under fire, they (and DoD) believe that it's an important capability, if for no other reason than to be able to threaten people with it...

// First example - the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV)

Damn obama, putting troops in the country that actually attacked us, what a moron.

Yea I've met a lot of people around here that are going to be deploying over there soon. I guess it's the media and their failure to tell us Americans what the troops are doing over there but the only people that seem to be benefitting from the spread of democracy and freedom to that hell hole are the ones getting paid to police the process. Go figure.

A waste of taxpayer money if you ask me, but I'm starting to wonder of our Rogue military isn't at least half way self funded by now, I hear they have really cornered the drug market on that side of the world.

The troops are nothing but shameless war profiteers and pushovers when it comes to not only defending their oath but also when it comes to speaking out about the deterioration of their country. Though in their little world the fog of war covers everthing outside the green zone. fark the troops, don't bother coming back.