Poor puppies. Most of them are certain to have health problems seeing as they're the product of puppy mills. Most of them likely won't even being adoptable.

We'll see what happens. This is pretty messed-up. I was wondering how they were going to handle the original 600 dogs. I'm actually going to break out my wallet and donate.

At least they are purebreds.

Oh never mind, they are the little kick dog mutts that morans pay waaaaay too much money for.

If they're smart, they'll do pregnant-spaying, quickly. I know it's really dangerous to the mother after a certain point in pregnancy, but better that than flooding the shelter system with puppies, a good percentage of whom will have congenital problems.

According to the Seattle media sources, this is the group you'd want to donate money to if you care Link (new window)

SPOT
P. O. Box 211
Burlington, WA 98233

I'm really curious to see how they're going to handle this. 600 dogs had to be some sort of nightmare already, and now they're multiplying. I'm usually too callous to be affected by stories of tragedy, but this one's sort of grabbed me.

Interesting that no arrests have been made yet.

A single property abusing/neglecting over 400 dogs? Do they not have laws there? Even if the penalty was only a couple months in jail per instance, these people would be basically be serving life sentences.

puppy abortions? or is that Taboo for Dogs as well.

Don't hate the playah; hate the game.

/The game is what you should hate, instead of the playah. There is a difference.

bullock.: Don't hate the playah; hate the game.

/The game is what you should hate, instead of the playah. There is a difference.

I have plenty of hate to go around. It's okay. I can hate them both and have a little left over for Newt Gingrich

This shouldn't happen. Makes my gut tight just thinking about it. If I could adopt all 1500+ of them, I would.

Since subby brought Barry The Savior's name into this: Maybe the puppy mill can have the same policy He signed off on in the ILL(inois) legislature. You know. And if you don't, you're a delusional tard at the most..an MSNBC regular at least. I'm being kind.

Does it finally sound as gruesome as it is when it involves puppies?

I don't condone puppy mills in the slightest but I think calling all or even most puppies that come out puppy mills "unadoptable" is absurd.

I've been raising rescue bengal cats for 10 years and my sister has been raising beagles rescued from puppy mills for 20 years. Yes, they require more vet attention (usually) and more training, but they make better than usual pets at the end.

Would I rather see animal breeds with less genetic defects? YES. But at the same time, if a golden retriever comes into the world certain to have hip dysplasia, I'd give it 5-8 years of exploring the world in wonderful puppy like splendor before putting it down gently. I just don't agree with a shelter refusing to adopt a pup or kitten because it might not survive to its full lifetime.

Tribbles.

The Northwest is full of rivers and rocks, just need sacks.

Dogs also were sold through an Internet site called Wags & Wiggles Teacups, she said.

For some reason that made me violently ill. Too bad the site appears to have been taken down.

Uuuuucchhh. I hope those people die in a tunnel.

It's about time! Those dogs just laying there littering whelp after whelp, demanding my tax dollars to pay for them all. This is what's wrong with the welfare system. Ought to just spay them all unless they can show they've got the resources to raise those pups on their own! Lazy biatches.

bastards!

Maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you sell dogs when they're abused like this? I am guessing they can clean them up, but fleas stick, and you can tell when a dog has been neglected, they get kind of off.

They say you can taste the fear, but with enough MSG you really can't.

I never weep for all the pigs slaughtered daily to make my Jimmy Dean sausage. I know dogs are damn charming, but hell, I've had deer sausage and pork sausage, why not dog sausage?

Braindeath: Maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you sell dogs when they're abused like this? I am guessing they can clean them up, but fleas stick, and you can tell when a dog has been neglected, they get kind of off.

Because dumb asses continue to buy animals from pet stores in the mall? I have no idea why this shiat continues to this day. People still buy their dogs in some manner that supports these horrible places.

Some people just really want money and this is a perfect example of that. If i would run a puppynill i would make sure that all the dogs were purebreads so that i could rais their average value. This could make a couple more bucks for your time.

The problem of puppy mills is a societal ill based on economics where we're only going after the supply and not the demand.

Give people a year in jail for buying their kid a puppy that came from a mill, and fine stores that sell mill puppies, and you'll see things change. Otherwise, high demand will always mean new puppy mills will spring up after the old once are shut down.

In Illinois, we have a proposed 'puppy mill' law working it's way through the legislature. The biggest obstacle to it's passing is an intense lobbying effort against it from the AAR. (Association of Asian Restaurants)

Good luck with shutting these down in other states, but big money lobbying is out there to stop fixing this problem.

Doggiebortions!

Braindeath: Maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you sell dogs when they're abused like this? I am guessing they can clean them up, but fleas stick, and you can tell when a dog has been neglected, they get kind of off.

I'm guessing maybe the latchkey dadddys and mommys buying princess the latest fad dog-in-a-movie aren't the most discerning purchasers?

I hate puppy mill people. I really hate the ones I heard about that kept their horde of captive dogs from barking by breaking their vocal cords with a metal bar. Total psychos those people.

Braindeath: Maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you sell dogs when they're abused like this? I am guessing they can clean them up, but fleas stick, and you can tell when a dog has been neglected, they get kind of off.

A lot of people don't realize you should never buy a puppy if you can't examine the dam. One of my friends took me to this puppy store she'd heard of. It was an unlabeled store an under-occupied stripmall, and the only "furniture" were the kiddy-pools full of puppy litters and a folding chair for the owner. There were at least two dozen litters of "purebred" 8-9 week olds running a couple hundred each. I think they relied on the overwhelming cuteness that is so many puppies pushing aside any lingering doubts.

FunkOut: I hate puppy mill people. I really hate the ones I heard about that kept their horde of captive dogs from barking by breaking their vocal cords with a metal bar. Total psychos those people.

There's something so foul about that it makes me furious.

The Chinese would pay good money for those dogs.

Someone get me a coat hanger

/link is hot.

I'm sure someone in Chinatown will take those for free. Win win.

They're going to be rescued right into the hands of the injection of death doctor. There's no way these animals are going to escape being put down.

FarkingStan: They're going to be rescued right into the hands of the injection of death doctor. There's no way these animals are going to escape being put down.

Many of them, no, can't be helped. I only hope that, in the future, people think before they buy a dog off a "breeder." Rescue, or Humane Society, dogs need homes too.

My own puppy (now dog) was a "rescue" dog that we picked up from the humane society after they found her, her mom, and sisters abandoned in an apartment.

/dogs are the animal humans bred as companions
//dogs should be given training, respect, and affection
///dogs are NOT accessories

Terrible as it is, let's do a thought experiment.

1 - Puppy mills sell these puppies and they all find homes.

2 - Authorities euthanize most of the dogs.

I know this doesn't factor in future suffering. The optimum thing might be to get the mill's distribution channels. So that the excess puppies can find homes.

Chariset: If they're smart, they'll do pregnant-spaying, quickly. I know it's really dangerous to the mother after a certain point in pregnancy, but better that than flooding the shelter system with puppies, a good percentage of whom will have congenital problems.

Agreed.

The first rescue organization I worked with did some pregnant-spaying. The one I am with now does not do it, but sometimes I really think we should.

I hate puppy mills with every fiber of my being.

Puppy Mills (and vocational breeders) ought to be illegal.

Obama is not getting a dog for his kids...he's a Muslim, they hate dogs.

minimassive I'm sure someone in Chinatown will take those for free. Win win.

I don't know who this Win Win guy is, but these aren't eatin' dogs, they're kickin' dogs.

Chariset: If they're smart, they'll do pregnant-spaying, quickly. I know it's really dangerous to the mother after a certain point in pregnancy, but better that than flooding the shelter system with puppies, a good percentage of whom will have congenital problems.

What I was thinking. I've seen it done at shelters before.

Of course, now that they've said that some of the dogs are preggers, they'll need to allow at least some of them to give birth, or else someone will get their panties in a bunch.

As a owner of a rescue these places need to be shut down. Just think the next time that you get a dog from a "Good and honest breeder" That the dogs could be being sold out of that location only.

They are doing this to make money...why would they give a shait how the dogs are kept. They adopt them out practically before they are fulling weaned so that the mother can breed again. So the puppy you get is small and cute and not affected by the life that its mother has.

Get a second hand dog... if you are getting one get a rescue from a mill just get the parent and not the puppies.

They need tons of love but mine is fine now.

/she had a uterine infection
//was very scared of humans
///bad teeth
////Is a peke 10 lb was only 6 lb
//Feisty and playful now and has hardly any teeth...can still crunch kibble. And is a great girl playing with my other dogs.
//Still thinks someone coming over is there to take her away...but getting over that...3 years we have had her
// MORE SLASHIES

Just for the record, someone please give me an operational definition and standard to a "Puppy Mill" other than "diseased, dirty, and overcrowded."

Until the lawmakers agree with this definition (of which there is none, as far as I am aware), they only legislation they can write will pretty much screw any good breeding operation as well as the bad ones, including the ones like this with hundreds of dogs.

I was also told the kennels visited in the Oprah special were "unlicensed." I'm aware that most USDA-licensed kennels are considered "puppy mills" anyway, but at least they have some form of inspection, however rudimentary and laughable. Those kennels had none, meaning they could just do things at whatever level of "sick" they wanted.

The sad thing is, among all this, is that there will ALWAYS be a demand for puppies. I constantly tell people to go to the shelter, there is a dog there for them that is more than likely housebroken, full-grown, already been through teething, and walks on a leash. But no, puppies are a lot cuter and they're convinced that THEIR puppy will turn out so much better than the shelter mutt. Screw those people with a red-hot poker...nothing else can convince them otherwise and they want their damn puppy until it grows up to be a biter or bigger than they thought and the then OMG WANT NEW DOG, THIS ONE IS TOO MUCH!

/headdesk
//end rant

For those of you who say "people need to adopt and not buy puppies from a breeder" I agree with you but here in Washington they are a bit stupid and overprotective about dogs and cats when it comes to adoption.

I've been looking for a dog for the past 6 months, been to shelters and rescues and did you know that basically if you have kids younger than 6 years old you are farked? Yup pretty much.
So I can see how people like me that really want to have a dog (and mind you I wasn't looking for a puppy either) get stuck with this STUPID rule: "no kids less than 6 years old in the house" because god forbid I don't spend every single minute of my existence to a pet.

Whatever.

Kittypoo -- I had the same problem getting a dog in Seattle, NOT because I had a six year old, but because my back yard didn't have a six foot tall all-encompassing fence. Some rescue groups even wanted visitation rights at six month intervals. I finally gave up on the private animal rescue groups and just went to the pound.

Miller2226: Kittypoo -- I had the same problem getting a dog in Seattle, NOT because I had a six year old, but because my back yard didn't have a six foot tall all-encompassing fence. Some rescue groups even wanted visitation rights at six month intervals. I finally gave up on the private animal rescue groups and just went to the pound.

Yeah it does suck, a friend of mine is a dog trainer and she told me that ideally you want a dog that has been in a foster home so it's more socialized, specially if it's an older dog that is going to be around a child.

From what I understand, the "no kids under 6" rule is largely to protect said kids, not to ensure that you spend enough time on the dog. Dogs, especially young dogs, don't tend to realize the difference between themselves and humans, and will "play" - including jumping, running into, and light biting- with humans of any ages, which can very easily injure young children, which nearly always results in that dog going right back to the shelter or worse.

Where's Bob Barker when you need him?

Miller2226: Kittypoo -- I had the same problem getting a dog in Seattle, NOT because I had a six year old, but because my back yard didn't have a six foot tall all-encompassing fence. Some rescue groups even wanted visitation rights at six month intervals. I finally gave up on the private animal rescue groups and just went to the pound.

Should I interpret this to mean that us apartment dwellers are automatically ineligible? I could easily take care of one, but.... oh well.