Why didnt she just row across in a canuck?

watch the documentary 'Mojados' and you'll change your mind about the headline.

Should have just let them drown.

/Yes, I have no heart.

She was ENGAGED to a US citizen and still felt the need to sneak across the border illegally? Are you farking kidding me? If they'd gotten married, not only could she have entered legally, she would have become a citizen.

Niagaram? Damn near killed em.

Snowbacks.

Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

Illegal is not a noun.

HMS_Blinkin: She was ENGAGED to a US citizen and still felt the need to sneak across the border illegally? Are you farking kidding me? If they'd gotten married, not only could she have entered legally, she would have become a citizen.

You would think so, but it's not that easy. I have a friend who married a Brit last Sept. She's here, he's there and there is no end in sight to the bureaucratic nightmare. I keep telling him that he would be here today if he spoke Spanish and snuck over the Mexican border.

Unavailable for comment.

submitter: There is a big reason why illegals generally cross the Rio Grande and not the Niagara River

There is a big reason why illegals generally CAN cross the Rio Grande and not the Niagara River; but we don't really know how many silly wetcans have tried and simply washed away.

CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

No other country in the world would tolerate the illegal immigration system the US has.

HMS_Blinkin: She was ENGAGED to a US citizen and still felt the need to sneak across the border illegally? Are you farking kidding me? If they'd gotten married, not only could she have entered legally, she would have become a citizen.
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Not exactly. Yes, she's a dumbass- being engaged to a US citizen makes it pretty much a shoe- in for getting legal status. However, getting married doesn't automatically make you a citizen. If you enter the US on a fiancee's visa, upon marriage, you get resident status. After a few years (to weed out the "marry for green card" folks)you get permanent resident status. You can then APPLY to obtain citizenship, but it's never automatically granted. My father has been living in this country for almost 40 years, married for that time to my mother, who is an American, and has permanent resident status only. He doesn't wish to become an American citizen. He's been here WAY longer than is necessary to be eligible for citizenship, he just doesn't want it. Since he's retired, he spends half the year back at home in Greece, and half the year here. He votes in Greek elections, and if/ when my mother passes on, he'll probably move back home permanently.

But yes... being engaged to an American citizen means that that was a really dumb move on this lady's part. NOW it'll be a long time before she'll be allowed to even VISIT the US, let alone get any kind of resident status.

Sum Guye: Should have just let them drown.

/Yes, I have no heart.

It was cheaper to rescue them. Otherwise they would have to feed them until spring when the river thawed enough for them to drown.

CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

I've heard about self hating Jew, but self hating Mexican is a new phenomenon.

There are plenty of places along the river to cross, why do they always go near the rapids and the falls?

CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

I don't recall any rebellions, or revolutions like frances poor have, is it, i'm ignorant of Mexico history (duh no excuse though i'm in Texas) or that, there's been a safety valve with people going north?

CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

You'd be welcome in the US any time.

I've done work with the Border Patrol on the banks of the Rio Grande. Much of it you can throw a rock across and hit dry land. In some places you can wade it. As a barrier, it ain't much.

Duran Duran thread?

There is a big reason why illegals generally cross the Rio Grande and not the Niagara River

Yes, there is. Prescription drugs are cheaper in both countries, but in Mexico you can get most of the cool ones without any prescription at all. And that's why we go there instead of Canada.

/Oh, you meant the people illegally trying to find work

/disappointed

FlameDuck: I've heard about self hating Jew, but self hating Mexican is a new phenomenon.

I don't really hate my country, I just hate my governmet. And our national history. And the crime. And how we act as a society. But other than that, the place is beautiful. Few countries in the world have the tapestry of climates, food, people. But then again, maybe the fact that we're so different from state to state is the fact that we're so farked up. We have little in commong with each other.

loonatic112358: I don't recall any rebellions, or revolutions like frances poor have, is it, i'm ignorant of Mexico history (duh no excuse though i'm in Texas) or that, there's been a safety valve with people going north?

There've been a few, and very bloody ones:

1.- Mexican Independence.- It wasn't an independence at all, merely it was a fight for the spaniards born in Nueva Espana (New Spain) had teh right to become viceroy. Later, with Bolivar's ideas (who wasn't even mexican to begin with) and insipired by the french revolution and the american independence came the idea of being an autonomous nation.

2.- The War of Reform.- Basically it was mexicans vs. mexicans. Or, to put it more simple: Right wing vs Left wing. Since then, the Church is booted out of the government, oh, and we lost lands to the US and Central America became different countries, but that's a whole different issue.

3.- Mexican Revolution.- The Reform War v2.0. This time, it was the conservatives (and american/french/english bussinessmen) against the revolutionaries. From here, no president can be re-elected (but candidates from the same party can take turns, and we had 40 years of that), and as a side-effect with had a semi-commie president who took back oil (little did the knew that PEMEX would turn into another corrupted institution), nationalized healthcare (which sucked), a national association to the preservation of culture and history (which is now forgotten and misused), and one year of obligatory military service (which is obsolete, and I refuse to do it, since there's no more reason for it).

/Does it really sound like I hate my country?

jjorsett: You'd be welcome in the US any time.

Nice place to visit, not much to live. The job offers are tantalizing, though.

/But then again, I don't know how will it turn out these next four years
//Maybe better, maybe worse
///If I were to live outside of Mexico, I think I'd like to live in Spain, or Canada

I am american, this gives me superpowers!

HMS_Blinkin: She was ENGAGED to a US citizen and still felt the need to sneak across the border illegally? Are you farking kidding me? If they'd gotten married, not only could she have entered legally, she would have become a citizen.

Not really. My friend's been married to a Japanese girl for more than a year now and the damned government is still denying her entry because those lazy asses in immigration take months to process each piece of paper.

/Government is where union workers go when they decide they want to stroke off for the whole day instead of half of it.

CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

I don't get it. Mexico has the same land mass as the US, it has tremendous natural resources and a hard working population. I've worked on the farms for years, and all the immigrants I know are decent people.

There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

loonatic112358:

I don't recall any rebellions, or revolutions like frances poor have, is it, i'm ignorant of Mexico history

Wow.

(duh no excuse though i'm in Texas)

Oh.

/facepalm

YupThazMe: CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

I don't get it. Mexico has the same land mass as the US, it has tremendous natural resources and a hard working population. I've worked on the farms for years, and all the immigrants I know are decent people.

There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

Two words: Their government.

/Hispanic
//Grandparents came here legally
///Get off my lawn, Pedro just mowed it.

"Niagara Falls firefighters rappelled into the Niagara Gorge in frigid temperatures before dawn today "

Fark needs a "hardcore" tag for guys like that.
"Hero" works too, though.

YupThazMe: I don't get it. Mexico has the same land mass as the US, it has tremendous natural resources and a hard working population. I've worked on the farms for years, and all the immigrants I know are decent people.

There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

It's a complicated thing. I'd say it has to do with the culture of how we behave, view and act about the government.

There's a movie called La Ley de Herodes that sort of explains how the mexican political system works. But pinning it all on the government is not the complete truth. We all, in a way, contribute to the corruption of the country. For example: A friend of mine wanted to go shopping to the US, but lacked money, so she wanted to borrow money to the bank, but she can't because she has a bad credit history. So she asked me to do it, since I'm clean (debit only so far), and to do this, I'd have to make forgeries of her job payments. Obviously this is a crime and it's a really heavy one, so I said no. She kept insisting and said no one would no. In the end, I didn't, and she got pissed off and asked to some other schmuck to do it. They did it and off they went. This was before I got my job as a teller in the bank (I need to pay for architecture school).

I guess it's the safest thing to say is that the problem with Mexico is that there are too many mexicans.

Khazar-Khum: YupThazMe: CygnusDarius: Taking advantage that this is an immigration thread, I think I'm one of the few mexicans that's against the relaxation of illegal immigration in the US (which makes me real popular at parties, especially because my grandfather was a temporal worker, picking cotton in California).

The problem with illeglal immigration in Mexico to the US is our problem: Our country is full of shiat, and we need to pull it up from where it is (where it has always been, nearly a few centuries and we're still a country, which is an amazing feat within itself).

Besides, we can't ask you guys to be nice with our rednecks, when we know what our soldiers do to the illegals in the south.

I don't get it. Mexico has the same land mass as the US, it has tremendous natural resources and a hard working population. I've worked on the farms for years, and all the immigrants I know are decent people.

There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

Two words: Their government.

/Hispanic
//Grandparents came here legally
///Get off my lawn, Pedro just mowed it.

Thanks, Budda!

YupThazMe: There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

Yeah there is - it's run by drug lords and an army of corrupt officials and cops who are on their payrolls - Or if not they're out robbing tourists. Anyone who does well for themselves has to worry about themselves or their family members being kidnapped and ransomed. Even when the ransom is paid they get killed anyway. The good guys usually end up in a ditch with their heads cut off or gunned down along with their entire families. It's impossible to have a thriving society in those sorts of conditions. When you have a few evil individuals putting their interests above everyone else's and using the threat of death to keep it that way, you end up with a rathole like Mexico or any number of countries where the same conditions exist. Screw that place.

Meanwhile, my Mom, a Canadian who was born and raised in India, had NO trouble getting a green card when she married my step-father (No, I don't call him that - I use his first name). There seems to be a lot of variety of immigration experience. Does it matter what office/where you apply?

/Just interested, not planning on changing countries
//Wifie is an American though :)

CygnusDarius: jjorsett: You'd be welcome in the US any time.

Nice place to visit, not much to live. The job offers are tantalizing, though.

/But then again, I don't know how will it turn out these next four years
//Maybe better, maybe worse
///If I were to live outside of Mexico, I think I'd like to live in Spain, or Canada

Wouldn't the Spainards make fun of your "funny" accent? I know Castilian speakers who hate talking to Mexicans because they get laughed at, so I assume it works the other way too.

CygnusDarius: YupThazMe: I don't get it. Mexico has the same land mass as the US, it has tremendous natural resources and a hard working population. I've worked on the farms for years, and all the immigrants I know are decent people.

There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

It's a complicated thing. I'd say it has to do with the culture of how we behave, view and act about the government.

There's a movie called La Ley de Herodes that sort of explains how the mexican political system works. But pinning it all on the government is not the complete truth. We all, in a way, contribute to the corruption of the country. For example: A friend of mine wanted to go shopping to the US, but lacked money, so she wanted to borrow money to the bank, but she can't because she has a bad credit history. So she asked me to do it, since I'm clean (debit only so far), and to do this, I'd have to make forgeries of her job payments. Obviously this is a crime and it's a really heavy one, so I said no. She kept insisting and said no one would no. In the end, I didn't, and she got pissed off and asked to some other schmuck to do it. They did it and off they went. This was before I got my job as a teller in the bank (I need to pay for architecture school).

I guess it's the safest thing to say is that the problem with Mexico is that there are too many mexicans.

Thanks for the honesty. I have a Mexican friend that turns livid every time I bring this up, so I don't. He's very angry at his own country.

With the right leadership, Mexico could be an economic powerhouse.

FiestyIrishVixen: There are plenty of places along the river to cross, why do they always go near the rapids and the falls?

Seriously, why doesn't anyone ever try to cross a few miles up- or down-river from the Falls? Like around Lewiston? Crossing near the Rainbow Bridge is just about the stupidest, most dangerous place possible to attempt to cross, aside from just above the Falls.

Or maybe people do cross in other places, only no one knows about it because they don't have to get rescued.

Evil Canadian: Meanwhile, my Mom, a Canadian who was born and raised in India, had NO trouble getting a green card when she married my step-father (No, I don't call him that - I use his first name). There seems to be a lot of variety of immigration experience. Does it matter what office/where you apply?

I'd say it matters more WHEN than WHERE. Did your mom get her green card before or after 9/11?

retro128: YupThazMe: There's no logical reason for Mexico to be in the economic shape that it's in.

Yeah there is - it's run by drug lords and an army of corrupt officials and cops who are on their payrolls - Or if not they're out robbing tourists. Anyone who does well for themselves has to worry about themselves or their family members being kidnapped and ransomed. Even when the ransom is paid they get killed anyway. The good guys usually end up in a ditch with their heads cut off or gunned down along with their entire families. It's impossible to have a thriving society in those sorts of conditions. When you have a few evil individuals putting their interests above everyone else's and using the threat of death to keep it that way, you end up with a rathole like Mexico or any number of countries where the same conditions exist. Screw that place.

I have confidence in the inherent goodness of majority of the population. A revolution may be required, but it could change even without one.

Or, I'm just living in a dream world.

CygnusDarius: jjorsett: You'd be welcome in the US any time.
///If I were to live outside of Mexico, I think I'd like to live in Spain, or Canada

From Mexico to Canada?

Come for the weather, stay for the poutine?

I'm not sure if you know this, but it's significantly colder up here, you might require some time to adjust to the change in temperature.

Nemo's Brother:

No other country in the world would tolerate the illegal immigration system the US has.

Exactly. Except for the part where that's total bunk, but way to claim it. Rah Rah. Rah.

jjorsett: Wouldn't the Spainards make fun of your "funny" accent? I know Castilian speakers who hate talking to Mexicans because they get laughed at, so I assume it works the other way too.

It might, but then again I'm mexican, we have a sense of humour (and a very heavy one, to boot). The thing I might get worried about is when I finally meet any racism.

YupThazMe: Thanks for the honesty. I have a Mexican friend that turns livid every time I bring this up, so I don't. He's very angry at his own country.

With the right leadership, Mexico could be an economic powerhouse.

Yeah, the "what's wrong with Mexico?" discussion is pretty much a hotbead for us, and for obvious reasons.

And yes, we have the means to be First World Nation, but it'd take generations, and sadly, most people are too lazy or too desperate to have the determination for it. But I do hope we can become a powerful country for once.

FiestyIrishVixen: There are plenty of places along the river to cross, why do they always go near the rapids and the falls?

Because it's more difficult to see someone going over the falls, and harder to catch them if you did see them? Any fool can catch someone sneaking across a wide, calm stretch of river (Rio Grande or Niagara) but it takes dedication and nerves of steel to pursue someone going over the falls in a tin can.

Well, Cygnus raised a couple of points, but I'm going to disagree.
I actually crossed over legally, took me 15 years, but we got here. Now, I would have very much liked it if my parents (professionals both) would have gotten an easier way in, considering we are here to benefit the United States economy, as are a lot of my fellow countrymen.
If you make it easier for people like us to get in, you wouldn't have the illegal immigration situation that you have right now.

Yeah, things are bad in Mexico. I miss it hardcore, but with the news I get every few days from my former hometown (the Juarez of the Gulf of Mexico), I'm glad I'm in the United States now.
I'm not the only one. There's been a massive exodus of the willing and able to the United States. I like living here and would prefer it in the United States than in Canada (Where I'd die of cold) or Spain (Where I'm looked at funny and there's no space to even breathe).

But a revolution will come.
There was one in 1810 that took ten years to conclude.
There was another one in 1910 that took the same amount of time.
Will 2010 hold another one?

One can only hope.

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not sure if you know this, but it's significantly colder up here, you might require some time to adjust to the change in temperature.

Yup, pretty much. Winter's a biatch around here (but global warming is changing that, it's hot in January and I should be freezing right now), but they say it's nice. You get a few perks once you become a canadian citizen, and it snows. I know it sounds stupid, but I've only seen snow once and it wasn't really snow, it was part snow part rain.

/Then again, for that last bit, I think I just need a trip to somewhere

I am going to move to Ontario cause the black men there don't eat out
/More for me

YupThazMe: I have confidence in the inherent goodness of majority of the population. A revolution may be required, but it could change even without one.

Or, I'm just living in a dream world.

Good won't win this one. The drug guys have M-16s, grenades, body armor, and RPGs...in a lot of cases they're better armed than the government troops are. Guns are highly illegal in Mexico, so ad hoc militias are out of the question. And as CygnusDarius, pointed out, the culture of corruption filters down to regular civilians. I can't say I blame them - When your government is that dirty, there's no hope for people who play by the rules.

FiatJustitia:
But a revolution will come.
There was one in 1810 that took ten years to conclude.
There was another one in 1910 that took the same amount of time.
Will 2010 hold another one?

One can only hope.

If a revolution does come, it better be peaceful. Both bloody revolutions in Mexico had this cycle:

1.- Poor people are tired by the tyrannical government that steals their money
2.- Charismatic leaders appear, they rouse the poor to fight
3.- Long, bloody battle ensues, the tyrants die or go away. The leaders are now the government
4.- The leadership gets corrupted as they try to fix everything, but they realize to fix problem A, you need to fix problem B, and to fix B you need to fix A
5.- Government starts to take money from the people, the people get poor

Mexicans are smart enough to not even come to Canada. The border guards would see them tromping through the snow from miles away.

Provided the polar bears didn't get 'em, first.

/-20? That's a GOOD day in January!