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Say it isn't so...how could he do something positive, when all we really want to do is hate him?

lol, wut?

Damn straight! That's the number of people he would have gotten killed if he hadn't been on vacation for 1/3 of his presidency.

Wow.

I wonder what the odds are that one of those people will one day cause of the destruction of all life on earth.

Mordant: Wow.

I wonder what the odds are that one of those people will one day cause of the destruction of all life on earth.

Depends on which group you're referring to when you say "those people". The smugly entitled, like ex-president W? Better than even odds. The True Believers? Entirely too likely.

is this the recycled bill frist op/ed from CNN a couple of days ago - or is this the latest neocon talking point - that gwb is somehow some sort of modern day oskar schindler x 10,000?

Mordant: Wow.

I wonder what the odds are that one of those people will one day cause of the destruction of all life on earth.

About 7.3:1, but I'll take the over.

"Bush spent billions fighting aids and malaria in Africa."


Well, that's one take on the situation. Another take would be that he opened Africa up to American drug companies and turned the place into a huge drug testing experiment. Basically American drug companies used Africa (with American Tax dollars to boot) to accelerate drug testing directly to humans. Basically 10's of thousands of Africans have died in drug trials that would have been illegal anywhere else in the world. Did many of them survive? Yes, but they are simply unwitting test subjects in a twisted scheme to get drugs to market faster here in the US at the expense of human life in countries that don't have drug liability laws.

Basically, it burned off lives in countries where human life is cheap and it saved American drug companies billions of dollars.

If these people had done this in America, they would be facing the death penalty.

There is a fictional book with a very similar plot called The Constant Gardener. The book was written by John Le Carré about this scenario in 2001. Apparently the Bush Administration being huge fans of fiction thought it would be cool to make it a reality.

There is something very Naziesque about this scenario.

George Bush is God.

bearsfolks: Say it isn't so...how could he do something positive, when all we really want to do is hate him?

The ironic thing here is this was one of his many initiatives that conservatives rallied against.

/just sayin

...while costing how many more lives?

He SAVED lives? That's a hell of a spin.

Is that counting the 3000 Americans who died on his watch on 9/11/01, and the 4000+ Americans he sent to death in the Middle East, and the hundreds of thousands of non-Americans his military killed in the Middle East?

On top of all those deaths he is responsible for, he actually has a net savings of 10 million?

Um, okay.

The Fark.com "Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer" at the top of this thread isn't accurate. For the reading to be accurate for this particular thread, the line would have to be several football fields to the right of my monitor.

Con_Authority: "Bush spent billions fighting aids and malaria in Africa."


Well, that's one take on the situation. Another take would be that he opened Africa up to American drug companies and turned the place into a huge drug testing experiment. Basically American drug companies used Africa (with American Tax dollars to boot) to accelerate drug testing directly to humans. Basically 10's of thousands of Africans have died in drug trials that would have been illegal anywhere else in the world. Did many of them survive? Yes, but they are simply unwitting test subjects in a twisted scheme to get drugs to market faster here in the US at the expense of human life in countries that don't have drug liability laws.

Basically, it burned off lives in countries where human life is cheap and it saved American drug companies billions of dollars.

If these people had done this in America, they would be facing the death penalty.

There is a fictional book with a very similar plot called The Constant Gardener. The book was written by John Le Carré about this scenario in 2001. Apparently the Bush Administration being huge fans of fiction thought it would be cool to make it a reality.

There is something very Naziesque about this scenario.

Got a citation for that?

What's with this new rebranding of W as awesome but misunderstood?

George W. Bush was the finest president to ever walk this undeserving planet (or role, in case of a comparison to FDR). His excellent and cunning strategery has protected us from the terrorists ever since that tragic event of 9/11.

How can you question his leadership? Has their been another attack on American soil yet? He has a fine rock.

Who?

Bushie, you did a heckuva job.

Was he some sort of covert Rambo character? Or are they starting to simply count the lives of the people in the countries he did not unjustly bomb the ever-loving shiat out of?

Persepolis: The ironic thing here is this was one of his many initiatives that conservatives rallied against.

DRTFA but I'm assuming it's his historic contribution to battling disease in Africa; in which case, not all conservatives were against it :)

/And it's about damn time he got some recognition for it too.

Bush did do many things which helped prevent AIDS in Africa. You will not find one rational person which disagrees with that. Even Bill Clinton will say so. Obama just has to keep the ball rolling.

If he wanted to be remembered as "The Healer", he probably shouldn't have done so much killing as well.

I mean, if I live a life of charity and piety, feeding the hungry, nursing the sick, etc. And then I decide to blow up an orphanage, which aspect of my life do you think people are going to remember?

He'll be remembered as The Healer because of his policy institute/legacy polishing center connected to the library my university so graciously offered to host.

But ultimately I think history will depict him as warm hearted, overzealous, and frighteningly ignorant of certain key bits of information.

If you give a baby a lollipop while punching him in the stomach repeatedly, you'll find it very rare when someone thanks you for giving the kid candy.

bulldg4life: If you give a baby a lollipop while punching him in the stomach repeatedly, you'll find it very rare when someone thanks you for giving the kid candy.

What's the candy? I prefer caramel popcorn about once a week while watching a good movie, sometimes interrupted by some really fat dumb guy wanting some Coke.

Dr. Rosenrosen: I mean, if I live a life of charity and piety, feeding the hungry, nursing the sick, etc. And then I decide to blow up an orphanage, which aspect of my life do you think people are going to remember?

And now we have a violent sadistic dictator being compared to a nun running an orphanage?

Wow umm...just Wow.

How about this.. If you live a life of charity and piety, feeding the hungry and nursing the sick etc... but stand idly by while you witness a few rapes and murders and continue to do nothing, which aspect of your life do you think people will remember?

And the others? They're safe with Jesus.

Sun God: Bush did do many things which helped prevent AIDS in Africa. You will not find one rational person which disagrees with that. Even Bill Clinton will say so. Obama just has to keep the ball rolling.

I disagree with that. He didn't do jack sh*t to help prevent AIDS in Africa. In fact, I hope he gets HIV from an African who flies over personally to say thanks, howabout that?

CanisNoir: And now we have a violent sadistic dictator being compared to a nun running an orphanage?

Most people would get hung up on all of the dead orphans rather than cheering about the getting the evil nun running the orphanage as well. They might even wonder about how they could been brought down or contained without blowing up the whole thing and killing a bunch of innocent people.

I would like to point out that Bush did not start an all-out nuclear war with Russia and China, thus saving millions more lives.

Gyrfalcon: I disagree with that. He didn't do jack sh*t to help prevent AIDS in Africa. In fact, I hope he gets HIV from an African who flies over personally to say thanks, howabout that?

How old are you? Do you know anyone who is HIV positive?

pnjunction: Most people would get hung up on all of the dead orphans rather than cheering about the getting the evil nun running the orphanage as well. They might even wonder about how they could been brought down or contained without blowing up the whole thing and killing a bunch of innocent people.

No, most people would accuratly see how horrible of an analogy this is and have a snappier come back to point out the FAIL, if you must know.

Wouldn't any president in that situation have done that? Possibly contributed more, and saved even more lives?

rackrent: Wouldn't any president in that situation have done that? Possibly contributed more, and saved even more lives?

Umm, NO, they didn't. Africa's disease rate isn't new, Bush's contribution to it or at least the amount is, that's why what he did was historic; you'll just have to reign in the Bush Hatred, suck it up, and admit he's not the EEEEVIIILLL Child Eater that many would portray him as.

Granted, it would appear Bush did good with Africa but...

September 11th Attacks: 2974
American Causalities in Iraq: 4230

ACTUAL results, not hypothetical or potential, are far more important to me. Any President could do good in Africa, but only one was required to cost 7200 American lives.

Thanks Bush.
Mission Accomplished.

pace Toeknee666

Assuming you are 20 years old, and assuming you assume you will live to 80 years old, you have 21900 days to live. Or 3120 weekends. Guess what? You now have 3119 weekends left.

Unless you have cancer already, or will get it soon.

Bush Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation spent billions fighting aids and malaria in Africa.

Bush rode on their coattails. The dude doesn't have an original thought in his head.

Wasn't most of the AIDS money and other aid he gave away just bribes to join colaition of the willing and sabotage the international criminal court and stuff like that? Wasn't the AIDS help all but useless because of the ways it had to be spent and the restrictions against using condoms?

I think that when all is said and done Georeg W. Bush will rank somewhere between Reagan and the last two popes when it comes to having helped the spread of AIDs.

In 50 years, my family will think I'm senile and would probably want to put me into a home because of how much I say Bush farked the country up....if shiat like this keeps getting published and put into history books.

If he's managed to save ten million Africans, it's through no fault of his own. He took about $5-6 billion a year that were previously going towards the U.N.-funded AIDS program, and diverted it into his pet project where 75% of drugs purchased weren't generic (therefore more expensive), and 30% of funds were for abstinence only education. He basically spent the same amount of money we've always been spending, only to get fewer drugs and less overall effect because of the abstinence stipulations and price of drugs.

If you look at how many Africans would have been saved had the program not been hamstrung by religious ideology, and subtract that from the ten million he apparently saved, you'd probably have a few million dead Africans. People have to really be struggling with their grasp of reality if this is the shining light of hope for Bush's legacy.

Chariset: But ultimately I think history will depict him as warm hearted, overzealous, and frighteningly ignorant of certain key bits of information.

ilambiquated: pace Toeknee666

Ummm... the Republic of China is otherwise known as Taiwan.

doubleplus ungood

Con_Authority: "Bush spent billions fighting aids and malaria in Africa."


Well, that's one take on the situation. Another take would be that he opened Africa up to American drug companies and turned the place into a huge drug testing experiment. Basically American drug companies used Africa (with American Tax dollars to boot) to accelerate drug testing directly to humans. Basically 10's of thousands of Africans have died in drug trials that would have been illegal anywhere else in the world. Did many of them survive? Yes, but they are simply unwitting test subjects in a twisted scheme to get drugs to market faster here in the US at the expense of human life in countries that don't have drug liability laws.

Basically, it burned off lives in countries where human life is cheap and it saved American drug companies billions of dollars.

If these people had done this in America, they would be facing the death penalty.

There is a fictional book with a very similar plot called The Constant Gardener. The book was written by John Le Carré about this scenario in 2001. Apparently the Bush Administration being huge fans of fiction thought it would be cool to make it a reality.

There is something very Naziesque about this scenario.

You say that is if there aren't trials going on in the US. "You have AIDS, there is a new trial being conducted at Berkley, would you like for me to sign you up?"

CanisNoir: rackrent: Wouldn't any president in that situation have done that? Possibly contributed more, and saved even more lives?

Umm, NO, they didn't. Africa's disease rate isn't new, Bush's contribution to it or at least the amount is, that's why what he did was historic; you'll just have to reign in the Bush Hatred, suck it up, and admit he's not the EEEEVIIILLL Child Eater that many would portray him as.


Doing ONE POSSIBLY GOOD THING while farking up, LITERALLY, every other aspect of his farking job, doesn't change anything. If I take over a company and manage to get vending machines installed in the cafeteria, but repeatedly violate business ethics, destroy the company's reputation in the industry, and leave it completely farking bankrupt, I'm sure as hell not going to be remembered for the motherfarking vending machines.

A collapsed economy, ruining our reputation as a beacon of human rights for the world by signing off on interogation techniques borrowed from the North Vietnamese and the Nazis, invading a country on trumped up charges and bullshiat intelligence and then completely farking up the occupation, failing to catch bin Laden, not rebuilding a major American city after it was wiped completely off of the map, inflating executive powers beyond anything we've ever seen before and operating in total secrecy, trampling all over our civil rights with the panicked passing of the farking Patriot Act, the Walter Reed Medical Scandal, "losing" 5 million emails, Valerie Plame, the firing of federal prosecutors not sympathetic to GOP causes, handing our major ports over to a Dubai company, the Harriet Miers cronyism, billions of dollars and over 4,300 American lives lost in Iraq, approving the creation of black CIA sites and rendition, no bid contracts, abandoning Afghanistan before the job was finished, the heavy use of "private contractors" in Iraq who at any other point in history would have been called "mercenaries," kangaroo courts, violating people's habeus rights and holding them indefinitely without due process - some for as long as 7 years now - only to let them go without every sending them to trial, warrantless wiretapping, allowing the FBI to investigate medical and financial records without court orders, the SWIFT wire transfers bullshiat -- basically trampling all over our rights to unlawful search and seizure, the bloated boondoggle that is the Dept. of Homeland Security, the ridiculous color-coded terrorist warning system, Jack Abramoff, allowing Big Oil to write Cheney's energy policy, trillion dollar tax cuts for the top 4 wealthiest tax brackets, global warming denial - much of it at the urging of major oil companies, an 85% increase in our national debt, stalling the 9/11 Commission and limiting its budget which combined led to a delay in their security recommendations being employed, the Bush Doctrine of preventative war (the one that Sarah Palin had never farking heard of), a verifiable loss of U.S. prestige around the world, pushing the privatization of Social Security, fighting stem cell research and pushing abstinence only sex ed and basically declaring war on Science, male prostitute Jeff Gannon in the White House press corps, creationism, banning media photography of returning dead soldiers' caskets from war, false reporting of the Pat Tillman death and the use of his death for propaganda purposes, inaction in Darfur, Swift Boating John Kerry, the ridiculous No Child Left Behind policy, Cheney's shooting of lawyer Harry Wittington and the delay in reporting it and then the complete smothering of the investigation, the holding of Jose Padilla - an American citizen - for 3 1/2 years without due process and allegedly torturing him, the ethanol program which is a total joke, Christian proselytizing at the Air Force Academy, the Mexico border fence farce... and ON and ON and ON...

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Kierkegaard's Pseudonym:

If he's managed to save ten million Africans, it's through no fault of his own. He took about $5-6 billion a year that were previously going towards the U.N.-funded AIDS program, and diverted it into his pet project where 75% of drugs purchased weren't generic (therefore more expensive), and 30% of funds were for abstinence only education. He basically spent the same amount of money we've always been spending, only to get fewer drugs and less overall effect because of the abstinence stipulations and price of drugs.

If you look at how many Africans would have been saved had the program not been hamstrung by religious ideology, and subtract that from the ten million he apparently saved, you'd probably have a few million dead Africans. People have to really be struggling with their grasp of reality if this is the shining light of hope for Bush's legacy.



Canis,

Please read the above post again, and maybe even again.

This is the difference between the spin and reality.

And yes, this can be backed up by credible sources.