Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

xanadian: Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

Besides, it's more haphazard than systematic.

/sneaks out of thread under cover of darkness.

I predict a calm, rational debate in this thread.

Sometimes, it's nice to see jaw-dropping stupidity coming from somewhere other than my own country.

xanadian: Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

Yeah, Israel has done absolutely nothing to provoke those attacks. Oh the horror! Why would anybody possibly want to attack them?

/have fun with the rest of the flamewar
//waves to Tatsuma

This isn't an Israel/Palestine issue, this is another example of why senior government staff should have to dictate emails to a hired college intern and never be allowed to touch a computer.

potee: Sometimes, it's nice to see jaw-dropping stupidity coming from somewhere other than my own country.

Yeah. Hurray, it's not a US diplomat!

/I assume
//about your country, I mean.

Darconix: Yup. Europeans getting some loving on with some terrorists. Nothing new there. No wonder you libs idolize those Euroweenies.

If one man can speak for a country, what does Fred Phelps say about America?

I just saw the movie Black Book last night. Good movie.

Zionism is very much a hold over from the late 19th century -- when nationalist moments valued ethnic hegemony over secularism.

And every time pointing that out is called antisemitism, you devalue the word and give real antisemities a thicker rhetorical shield -- while weakening real moral standing.

It's always weird to me that people support the government in the conflict that actually has its own terrorist wing.

Bored Horde: Darconix: Yup. Europeans getting some loving on with some terrorists. Nothing new there. No wonder you libs idolize those Euroweenies.

If one man can speak for a country, what does Fred Phelps say about America?

That we all have really ugly cowboy hats?

xanadian: Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

Sadly, the "final solution" is cheapened as a great crime by pretending somehow that ethnic cleansing is only bad if perpetrated industrially.

It's why phrases like "never again" become sad parodies.

Aww, and look! People are already saying that the comment is anti-Semitic...

"Israel is acting like another oppressive, ruthless, murderous regime."
"That's racist!"

FTA: "The missive, which contained asked recipients to forward it, also contains over forty attached pictures juxtaposing images from "Operation Cast Lead" with iconic Holocaust photography."

They do employ some mighty fine writers and editors over at the Daily News, don't they?

"The grandchildren of Holocaust survivors from World War II are doing to the Palestinians exactly what was done to them by Nazi Germany," the email, obtained by the Jerusalem Post, states.

The two are useful only in metaphorical terms. Saying that they're exact same cheapens the argument.

Here's what I don't get. They keep saying that this latest excursion into Gaza proves that Israel has the might and will to be a true fighting force, as apposed to what we saw in Lebanon. How does smacking around a largely uneducated, untrained and unorganized group with no air force or artillery make you into a mighty army?

Shaggy_C: "The grandchildren of Holocaust survivors from World War II are doing to the Palestinians exactly what was done to them by Nazi Germany," the email, obtained by the Jerusalem Post, states.

The two are useful only in metaphorical terms. Saying that they're exact same cheapens the argument.

a government enforced ghetto is a government enforced ghetto.

sendtodave: Aww, and look! People are already saying that the comment is anti-Semitic...

"Israel is acting like another oppressive, ruthless, murderous regime."
"That's racist!"

A major difference is jews weren't firing rockets at Germany. Also, the jews didn't proclaim their mission was to wipe Germans off the face of the Earth.

DarnoKonrad: Zionism is very much a hold over from the late 19th century -- when nationalist moments valued ethnic hegemony over secularism.

And every time pointing that out is called antisemitism, you devalue the word and give real antisemities a thicker rhetorical shield -- while weakening real moral standing.

Thread over after a dozen posts.

The biggest thing I pulled from yesterday's Wordle thread was how prominent the word "Nation" was in Obama's speech. It's an anachronism that just doesn't make any sense in today's world. In fact it didn't really make sense then either but few knew any better at that time.

If half of your casualties are women and children, that's not war, that's a friggin raiding party. That is some viking or mongol or barbarian tactics you are using at this point. According to the reports, they were targeting schools and UN peaceworkers.

dinch: Here's what I don't get. They keep saying that this latest excursion into Gaza proves that Israel has the might and will to be a true fighting force, as apposed to what we saw in Lebanon. How does smacking around a largely uneducated, untrained and unorganized group with no air force or artillery make you into a mighty army?

Practice makes perfect.



Stay classy, Israel.

Someone should tell them that if they want to make idiodic comparisons of Israel's actions today to the Nazi Genocide that they picked the wrong forum.

They should just do it on Fark; safe, anonymous, regular audience. They'd fit right in. They might be one of the ones here making that comparison already.

pd771: It's always weird to me that people support the government in the conflict that actually has its own terrorist wing.


Are we talking about the Stern Gang? Or the Mujahadeen? Or the Contras? Or the Lebanese Christian Militias?

It's so hard to keep track of all of these types of groups, and who, exactly, supports them.

;)

xanadian: Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

A lot of Europe never fully expelled the Nazis, it would seem.

DarnoKonrad: Shaggy_C: "The grandchildren of Holocaust survivors from World War II are doing to the Palestinians exactly what was done to them by Nazi Germany," the email, obtained by the Jerusalem Post, states.

The two are useful only in metaphorical terms. Saying that they're exact same cheapens the argument.

a government enforced ghetto is a government enforced ghetto.

How can a Government enforce a ghetto on land it doesn't own? If you're asking why did they blockade the area, that would be because Palestine was smuggling rockets in from Egypt. Also, Palestine is in such poor shape due to ineffectual leadership by the Government it elected Hamas.

DarnoKonrad: a government enforced ghetto is a government enforced ghetto.

The word "Holocaust" refers specifically to the systematic elimination of a large number of people. In modern usage, its become more centered around the activities of Nazi Germany in the 1940s. The ghettos are a separate issue, though one might argue that they were quite linked. I think the most apt comparison is the Judenrat to Fatah (and to some extent, Hamas).

DarnoKonrad: Zionism is very much a hold over from the late 19th century -- when nationalist moments valued ethnic hegemony over secularism.

And every time pointing that out is called antisemitism, you devalue the word and give real antisemities a thicker rhetorical shield -- while weakening real moral standing.

QFT

General Zang: pd771: It's always weird to me that people support the government in the conflict that actually has its own terrorist wing.


Are we talking about the Stern Gang? Or the Mujahadeen? Or the Contras? Or the Lebanese Christian Militias?

It's so hard to keep track of all of these types of groups, and who, exactly, supports them.

;)

I was thinking more Hamas, which is both a political party and a terrorist cell.

Shaggy_C: DarnoKonrad: a government enforced ghetto is a government enforced ghetto.

The word "Holocaust" refers specifically to the systematic elimination of a large number of people. In modern usage, its become more centered around the activities of Nazi Germany in the 1940s. The ghettos are a separate issue, though one might argue that they were quite linked. I think the most apt comparison is the Judenrat to Fatah (and to some extent, Hamas).

Under Norwegian's assessment, the ghettos France harbors their African and Middle Eastern immigrants is no different than what Hitler did either.

dinch: How does smacking around a largely uneducated, untrained and unorganized group with no air force or artillery make you into a mighty army?

Well, I'll tell you.

See, Palestinians are terrorists. All of 'em. They're born terrorists. Which means, of course, that they are 12 foot tall hairy things, kinda like trolls, only with more teeth. And they can shoot mortar shells out of their mouths. Women and children too! So normal people, see, need an army to take on these foul beasties, because these terrorists are such horrible, horrible monsters.

Just remember: terrorists. Terrorists justify... well.. ANYTHING, really. Cuz they're so scary! And mean!

Now, since all Palestinians are terrorists, and terrorists are really strong and scary, that means it was a fair fight. Ergo: Israel's army was mighty.

Q.E.D.

xanadian: Because retaliating for unprovoked missile attacks is EXACTLY like sending 6 million innocent people into the ovens.

Yeah, because when someone is occupying and colonizing parts of my country (have we all just forgotten the West Bank exists?) and treating my people like second class citizens (at best) that's completely unprovoked.

Now I'm not saying that shooting a wild missile into Israel and hurting Israeli citizens is going to solve anything (Hell, we all know its going to make things a whole lot worse. Remember Lebanon?), but if you're trying to say Israel is some kind of innocent victim here, well, then you apparently have no understanding of the situation what so ever.

Even the Nazis refused to use the

vernonFL: I just saw the movie Black Book last night. Good movie.

Yeah, well I walked right past a book store the other day, it smelled all bookishly in there too.

Actually, its not so far fetched. People in Israel's own government have said the same thing (new window)

pd771: A major difference is jews weren't firing rockets at Germany. Also, the jews didn't proclaim their mission was to wipe Germans off the face of the Earth.

I guess these hatemongers should have just sit down and STFU, right? Obvious racists are obvious.

dinch: Here's what I don't get. They keep saying that this latest excursion into Gaza proves that Israel has the might and will to be a true fighting force, as apposed to what we saw in Lebanon. How does smacking around a largely uneducated, untrained and unorganized group with no air force or artillery make you into a mighty army?

That only applies to the middle east.

Illegal.tender: Bigfoot is big, strong, scary and lives in my (relatively) back yard.

EVERYBODY PANIC!!!

MCStymie: Bored Horde: Darconix: Yup. Europeans getting some loving on with some terrorists. Nothing new there. No wonder you libs idolize those Euroweenies.

If one man can speak for a country, what does Fred Phelps say about America?

That we all have really ugly cowboy hats?

Are we doing cowboy hats again? *Takes off Ravens cap and looks for Stetson*

"The grandchildren of Holocaust survivors from World War II are doing to the Palestinians exactly what was done to them by Nazi Germany," the email, obtained by the Jerusalem Post, states.

Upon learning of the e-mail, the Oslo-based Center Against Anti-Semitism filed an official petition with Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre...

So that's "anti-Semitism" now?

I think the guy who first thought up the "reply all" option for email should get the Nobel prize.

Has any other advancement in history ever caused so much hilarity to ensue?

These Israel threads always bring to mind a quote from Frank Zappa:

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

People shouldn't have opinions. They make Israel sad. Just accept what IDF press releases say as gospel.

In their respective caves, Partyboy and Tatsuma are rushing to their respective pc Fark battle stations with klaxons blaring.

Its not a thread until those two get here.

Marcus Aurelius: Even the Nazis refused to use the

The neonazis are fond of it. Or, more to the point, they won't have anything to do with black phosphorus.

Hamas: Let us in so we can blow you up
Israel: No
Leftists: OMG GHETTO

Shaggy_C: pd771: A major difference is jews weren't firing rockets at Germany. Also, the jews didn't proclaim their mission was to wipe Germans off the face of the Earth.

I guess these hatemongers should have just sit down and STFU, right? Obvious racists are obvious.

Where do this dispute either of my two points?

Elvis Christ: Hamas: Let us in so we can blow you up
Israel: No
Leftists: OMG GHETTO

Hey, uh, some 4,000 year old book I have here says your house and everything you own actually belongs to me. So um, if you could STFU and GTFO now we'd really appreciate it. Kay? Thnx.


/Zionism's a biatch, huh?

Riche: I think the guy who first thought up the "reply all" option for email should get the Nobel prize.

Has any other advancement in history ever caused so much hilarity to ensue?

I try my best to stay the hell away from that.

Israel is INNOCENT!!

we need to give them MORE than 3 Billion/year of taxpayer money.

we need to give them MORE free military hardware.

Save Israel!!!

LOL