not THAT deserves the HERO tag if anything EVER has

Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? Because I got a healthy dose of information on how to protect myself, my partner, and what the actual consequences were. Both emotional and physical.

While I appreciate that some folks don't want their precious snowflakes learning that their "dirty parts" could go off with a baby if they combine the two--and that it's fun to practice, obviously with the teen pregnancy rates today, and STD rates for more, teaching abstinence only ain't working.

And more importantly, those parents who are so fearful of their kids learning that Tab A into Slot B doesn't have to result in a bundle of love in 8-9 months, aren't doing their job.

If anything, we have only to look at Palin to illustrate this point. Being Christian and an advocate of abstinence doesn't protect your kids from having sex. And if they don't know the basics for birth control--and can't articulate their feelings or discuss them in a supposedly safe environment--then how the heck are they going to deal with being hormonal time bombs?

State legislation of this type does not usually have a happy ending.

FTFA: "If they're going to be telling them something I wouldn't tell my kid, I'd have a problem," she said.

So how is the Board supposed to put together its curriculum--poll each & every parent to make sure they're not teaching something you'd like to protect your precious snowflake from?

I'll make you a deal: Teachers will leave the parenting up to you if you leave the teaching up to us, mmmkay?

/Former HS teacher
//Parents are the biggest reasons I no longer teach.

Meh. What a deutch bag.

I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

giggity.

No tag for the fact that this wasn't already the law?

hubiestubert:

Plus, you (and I) laid more pipe than the Generation of Reduced Pussy Expectations could possibly imagine

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"I think it would offend most people, and it would go against the sensibilities of the average person," said Mathew Staver, chairman of the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which has filed lawsuits nationwide challenging gay rights.

Because ignorant busy-bodies such as yourself continue to reinforce this notion that we have to be offended by our bodies and pleasure.

The average person is a result of sex, has had sex, desires more sex, and will have more sex.

ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

Though i didnt have sex until 21, i do not wish others to be cursed the way i was. Get jiggity

This legislator could well be the driving force that the sex education system needs. I mean, come on! Who do we have to do to get the hard facts in the classroom? These days, we practically have to get on our knees and beg for results.

Vangor: "I think it would offend most people, and it would go against the sensibilities of the average person," said Mathew Staver, chairman of the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which has filed lawsuits nationwide challenging gay rights.

Because ignorant busy-bodies such as yourself continue to reinforce this notion that we have to be offended by our bodies and pleasure.

The average person is a result of sex, has had sex, desires more sex, and will have more sex.

And he works for a group called the Liberty Council. Go figure.

approves.

Sex-ed at school should be the mechanics of the act with discussion of contraception. That's it.

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FTFA: "If they're going to be telling them something I wouldn't tell my kid, I'd have a problem," she said.
She flaunts her ignorance, insists her kids stay as ignorant as her. Her prego kids with STD's.
Go ahead and stress abstinence, but for God's sake, give them some real-world information too. The life you save may be your kids.
The life you may prevent may be your grandkid.

If children had the facts about sex, they might think it was ok to have some, and enjoy it safely without shame. That would be bad. Shame gets everyone trapped in unwanted marriages and pregnancies. We like shame. Shame fills Walmarts.

Trickinosis: ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

There are people who truly represent what is wrong with America. There are also fanatics who label anyone who disagrees with them as what is wrong with America. Not surprisingly, there is a significant overlap between those two groups.

anfrind: Trickinosis: ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

There are people who truly represent what is wrong with America. There are also fanatics who label anyone who disagrees with them as what is wrong with America. Not surprisingly, there is a significant overlap between those two groups.

I think Americans are what's wrong with America.

boobsrgood: Shame fills Walmarts.

Golden. Tip of the hat to you, sir.

Also:

Parents don't get to choose what their kids are taught in any other subject (at least not systematically).

Why doesn't the Surgeon General along with the AMA come up with some SCIENTIFICALLY (as opposed to morally) based sex ed and then everyone can teach it.

Hell, if ANY curriculum should be mandated, it should be that.

anfrind: Trickinosis: ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

There are people who truly represent what is wrong with America. There are also fanatics who label anyone who disagrees with them as what is wrong with America. Not surprisingly, there is a significant overlap between those two groups.

Sorry, but facts and results are measurable and have a basis is reality. If you can't handle reality and facts, it is a fact and reality; You are what is wrong with America: WILLFUL ignorance, and PRIDE in willful ignorance.

Opinions? They're like you: assholes. Everyone has one. Facts are different. Results are differnt. They exist without assholes.

Sex education should be education about sex. How it is done. Not moral messages about when and with whom to do it.

hubiestubert: Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? ...

Indeed. How did you manage to have sex in middle school and then lose your virginity at 15? I guess you're in the buttsecks doesn't count camp?

FTA: State Sen. Ted Deutch, D- Delray Beach, has filed legislation that would require schools to teach kids about condoms and other contraceptive methods starting in the sixth grade.

Sounds sane.

FTA: Meanwhile, two other lawmakers have introduced bills meant to discourage teachers from touting the benefits of sex within a monogamous, heterosexual marriage.

That? Not so much.

Discourage instead of emphasize only heterosexual? Politically controversial due to the question of homosexual marriage, but granting some comparable relationship exists, happy sex life is definitely beneficial for maintaining it either way. One of the two biggest reasons for break-up in marriage is sex, and emphasizing that might help stabilize our society a bit. (The other is "money", and emphasizing that in sex ed won't hurt 'em either.)

Discourage instead of emphasize only "monogamous"? Not so good. No offense to the polyamory crowd, but poly relationships are a lot harder to keep both equitable and stable. Unstable is bad for the raising of kids, and unequitable may lead kids raised that way to be inflexible about other social expectations. More important, I've not heard a peer-reviewed study which indicates any drop in the tendency to outside relationships ("cheating" or de facto sanctioned by "open relationship"); without that, the increased risk of STD spread is also suitable for covering in sex ed.

Discourage teaching that it help keep a politically unexciting heterosexual monogamous marriage stable and happy? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I believe that should be taught at home and in religious institutions

Well, if teh buttsecks with underage boys is something you want your kids to learn...

Quadruplator: Sex education should be education about sex. How it is done. Not moral messages about when and with whom to do it.

I'm not really sure that the "mechanics" of the "act" needs to be taught. If it did, we wouldn't have survived as a species. Unless there's an advanced class that includes the Cleveland Steamer and Donkey Punch.

Mugato: I'm not really sure that the "mechanics" of the "act" needs to be taught. If it did, we wouldn't have survived as a species. Unless there's an advanced class that includes the Cleveland Steamer and Donkey Punch.

It's not the bump and grind that needs to be taught. It's the use of condoms and other forms of STD/pregnancy prevention.

subfactorial: hubiestubert: Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? ...

Indeed. How did you manage to have sex in middle school and then lose your virginity at 15? I guess you're in the buttsecks doesn't count camp?

I think we should totally cut the budget for sex ed in subfactorial's state and focus all that money on reading comprehension programs.

Trickinosis: ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

I am pretty sure that ideology based politics for the last 8 years has pretty much screwed this country. The evidence is staring you in the face every day. Dumbass sheep who believe rather than think turned this country upside down.

Abstinence only has never been shown to be effective in any objectives study. In fact teen pregnancy has been shown to go up as a result of it.

So, yes, these people are what is wrong with America today.

subfactorial: hubiestubert: Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? ...

Indeed. How did you manage to have sex in middle school and then lose your virginity at 15? I guess you're in the buttsecks doesn't count camp?

Sex ed equals sex? I think I got gypped by my teachers then...

Karma Chameleon: subfactorial: hubiestubert: Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? ...

Indeed. How did you manage to have sex in middle school and then lose your virginity at 15? I guess you're in the buttsecks doesn't count camp?

I think we should totally cut the budget for sex ed in subfactorial's state and focus all that money on reading comprehension programs.

Ah crap. All FAIL on me.

abb3w Discourage instead of emphasize only

They are not discouraging monogamy nor heterosexuality, but discouraging teachers from touting only the benefits of in abstinence education. Having had abstinence only education in Florida, they do this, and no where do they mention demonstrable benefits.

Trickinosis: ghare: I believe in education that WORKS. If you are so stuck on an ideology that you can't acknowledge FACTS and RESULTS, you are what is wrong wth America.

Isn't it funny how versatile that accusation, "You're whats wrong with America" is?

/If you don't agree with me, YOU'RE whats wrong with America.

Damnit! It was my turn to be what's wrong with America! If I wait any longer I'll be overqualified.

subfactorial: Karma Chameleon: subfactorial: hubiestubert: Somehow I managed to have sex ed in middle school and high school, and got all the way to my 30s before fathering a child. And that's with losing my virginity at 15.

How'd I manage that feat? ...

Indeed. How did you manage to have sex in middle school and then lose your virginity at 15? I guess you're in the buttsecks doesn't count camp?

I think we should totally cut the budget for sex ed in subfactorial's state and focus all that money on reading comprehension programs.

Ah crap. All FAIL on me.

I read it that way the first time too. :)

When I was in middle school, they sent each kid home with an "anti-permission" slip. If your parents did not want you to have sex ed, they would sign it and return it to the school, exempting you from sex ed on the promise they would teach you something at home. (Whatever they thought was better). All the other students could then have the full-on R-rated sex ed without worrying about offending anybody, because if anyone complained, well why didn't you pull your kid out?

Surprisingly, this worked spectacularly well. Kids wouldn't want to get exempted because this was a class they actually wanted to be in (at least for the hubba hubba factor). The parents who might object were usually the stupid ones who weren't paying attention anyway, so they wouldn't try to get their kid exempted, so almost no one actually got exempted. According to the teacher in question, occasionally a single student would be exempted from sex ed within a given school year, so that means less than 1% of students were exempting.

Vangor: abb3w Discourage instead of emphasize only

They are not discouraging monogamy nor heterosexuality, but discouraging teachers from touting only the benefits of in abstinence education. Having had abstinence only education in Florida, they do this, and no where do they mention demonstrable benefits.

The demonstrable benefit is that there are less angry letters generated from church going parents. Other than that, it's kind of a wash. BUT, if your goal is to avoid letters involving "sin", "perdition" and "hellfire" then it is a roaring success.

Kinda.

hubiestubert: The demonstrable benefit is that there are less angry letters generated from church going parents.

I meant IN the classroom. If the assigned teacher had told me they were forced to preach this nonsense as curriculum and simply wanted to cover the material to not be yelled at regarding brimstone, I would have stayed quiet. As it was, I received detention from that teacher for inquiring about the best condoms for maximizing pleasure, oral sex, and safety (three different attempted conversations).

One of the reasons given for monogamy was a greater respect for my partner.

hubiestubert: ... if your goal is to avoid letters involving "sin", "perdition" and "hellfire" then it is a roaring success.

Avoid them?? They're my favorite form of entertainment.

Both of my sisters missed out on sex ed, and both of them have a slew of screaming pooping destructor beasts. I have none, and did get to take sex ed in middle school. I'm just sayin.....

Can you imagine an America full of teenagers who are fully educated about the mechanics of sexual arousal, intercourse, birth control, and STD's?

Me neither. The Church of Congress would never allow it.

Why can't we just teach the following message?

Waiting until marriage is your best chance of not becoming pregnant/getting an STD, but if you choose not to, wear a condom


My CHRISTIAN high school taught us that

Rhames
Though i didnt have sex until 21, i do not wish others to be cursed the way i was. Get jiggity


You should of hooked up with these two.
Yaaaaa

The sex-ed class (and there was only one) we got in middle school was excellent. It was science-only, how the parts work, various methods of birth control and STD prevention. There was no discussion about morality issues, and nobody asked any questions along those lines. We were just happy to be getting non-judgemental, factual info.

And this was Mississippi, circa 1980.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: hubiestubert:

Plus, you (and I) laid more pipe than the Generation of Reduced Pussy Expectations could possibly imagine

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Bah.

Assertion: No, not really.
Evidence: College still exists, and socially is about the same as it's been since the 70s.
Conclusion: This generation's lower average birth rate has nothing to do with there being less sex.

ghare: Sorry, but facts and results are measurable and have a basis is reality. If you can't handle reality and facts, it is a fact and reality; You are what is wrong with America: WILLFUL ignorance, and PRIDE in willful ignorance.

Opinions? They're like you: assholes. Everyone has one. Facts are different. Results are differnt. They exist without assholes.

3/10

When I took sex ed we had something called permission sheets you had to get your parents to sign before you could take the class. If you don't want your precious unique child learning the dirty evils of sex then don't give them permission but don't make my child suffer for it.

You can teach them sex ed your way (but that would require actually discussing sex with them *gasp*) so my kids can be disease free have a child when they plan to and enjoy the pleasures of sex while your child is full of STDS has an unwanted child at 14 and wants to kill themselves because of this abstinence bullshiat.

unpolloloco: Why can't we just teach the following message?

Waiting until marriage is your best chance of not becoming pregnant/getting an STD, but if you choose not to, wear a condom


My CHRISTIAN high school taught us that

Those were some far-left xians, but yes, that would work. My dad is a xian missionary in Africa, and he is teaching people that they must choose between abstinence and monogamy, because condoms do not work.

A very small percentage of the American xian Taliban are going to permit their children to be taught the facts about condom use. We went there and back as a nation already.

Sometimes you don't want it back in.

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