Good luck to him, and us all.

/Wouldn't take that job even in good times at gunpoint.

You know it IS kind of a shiat job

I have to agree. I would never want this job. Even in good times, the job of president still ages you 20+ years in 4 short years.

Yeah, I agree with madmann. I wouldn't want that job, no matter the immortality that would be involved.

Some people know their limitations. I'm a decent medic-in-training, and can handle myself and a small scene of chaos pretty well. But anything on a bigger scale than that? Yeah, you better call in someone who knows what the fark they're doing.

/which is why Bush sucks

NeverDrunk23: I have to agree. I would never want this job. Even in good times, the job of president still ages you 20+ years in 4 short years.

Bush looks like he's been sleeping pretty well that last couple of years. He's a little grayer for wear, but not like Clinton, Carter, or any others aged.

Reagan doesn't count, because he was already old as dirt to start with.

...although....

I've been thinking about the relative merits of taking the job at different times. I've heard Obama say he'd rather be President when things are bad, because that's when you can do the most good. Fair enough.

But just looking at it from a "odds you're going to do well" perspective, this is when you ABSOLUTELY want to take the job. You don't want the job when life is good, everybody loved the last guy and you have nowhere to go but down. You want it like it is now: completely clusterfarked. What would he have to do to improve on his predecessor? Start less than two pre-emptive wars? Only ignore Federal law instead of the Constitution?

Yeah, definitely. If you want to do it (cough*you'reinsane*cough), now's the time.

If I were McCain, I'd be pretty happy to have lost. 72, rarely shown up to work in the last 5 years, and a half-dozen cancers? He'd have stroked out by now had he won.

when is he going to fit in having Osama over for tea?

You have to be something of a megalomaniac to want the job in the first place. To want to inherit the shiatstorm Bush left, you have to be a little insane, too. That's why no one really qualified applied.

Hillary can be sent away, thats the plus of her new job. Can you imagine having gov. Palin's first v.p. dude lurking around, holding meetings in conference rooms and being a general pain in the ass? Snow machine oil leaking on the driveways. McCain's happy, fark that, we're all much happier that geezer is back in the Senate.

Mugato: That's why no one really qualified applied.

No such animal.

Mugato: You have to be something of a megalomaniac to want the job in the first place. To want to inherit the shiatstorm Bush left, you have to be a little insane, too. That's why no one really qualified applied.

1) I'd say equal parts megalomaniac and sadist

2) Obama IS qualified, if by no other means than his education, intelligence, and measured demeanor.

Shadowknight: NeverDrunk23: I have to agree. I would never want this job. Even in good times, the job of president still ages you 20+ years in 4 short years.

Bush looks like he's been sleeping pretty well that last couple of years. He's a little grayer for wear, but not like Clinton, Carter, or any others aged.

Reagan doesn't count, because he was already old as dirt to start with.

Nah, to me, Bush looks like he aged a lot since his before picture.

Lawnchair: If I were McCain, I'd be pretty happy to have lost. 72, rarely shown up to work in the last 5 years, and a half-dozen cancers? He'd have stroked out by now had he won.

Which is why McCain's age WAS a viable and important issue, but not Obama's race (as alot of people here tried to equate the two). McCain during the election looked like what he would have looked like if he already did 8 years as president, and he wasn't even president. The job puts huge mental/physical stress on you, particularly with the thought in the back of your mind that you constantly have a target on your back. McCain's health was a problem before entering the presidency,and it would have been much worse during it, even to the point where he would have had to step down. You should be in great health when going for this job.

Since they have a rule that you have to be 35 to be president, they should also add an age cap to that rule. If you are over a certain age before you would be inaugurated, you shouldn't be able to go for the job.

Shadowknight: NeverDrunk23: I have to agree. I would never want this job. Even in good times, the job of president still ages you 20+ years in 4 short years.

Bush looks like he's been sleeping pretty well that last couple of years. He's a little grayer for wear, but not like Clinton, Carter, or any others aged.

Reagan doesn't count, because he was already old as dirt to start with.

Well he DID spend, what, a third of his presidency at his ranch?

Lawnchair: If I were McCain, I'd be pretty happy to have lost. 72, rarely shown up to work in the last 5 years, and a half-dozen cancers? He'd have stroked out by now had he won.

and then guess who we'd have as president...

I remember the talking point that would nay-bob down the enormity of the Bush deficits by comparing them to being just a tiny fraction of GDP. This was premised on dangerously stupid assumptions that the economy would grow indefinitely without factor of finite resource or capacity for environmental toxins. I hope a few of them realize their pig-headed conceit was premised on notions of ethnocentric superiority, ambiguous moral authority, and has landed our country in financial and global peril. It might of worked if we were all living in never-never land.

In the past century Republicans have always approached the office of president as a sort of elevation within the class of nobility. GWB had no idea what he was getting into. He thought, just like little boys thought everywhere, that when HE was president everybody else would have to just do as he said and that's that.

Terrists? Ekonomy? That is all thinky stuff you hire people for. The kids who got good grades now work for you, right? They have to work for you now and call you sir. You just get to decide stuff and let them work it out, and you get to make them squirm if it doesn't come out.

Ronald Reagan knew this. Nixon knew this. First Bush knew this. Who knows what GWB knew, except he had no ability of his own to judge what his "dream team" was doing. And rather than take corrective actions (assuming he wanted to) he just went in denial and trusted Rove to handle everything and often pretended that the way it turned out was what he was intending all along. Like any slacker.

The Democrats see the office as a working job. They may be more (Clinton) or less (Carter) good at the ceremonial part of the job but they all expected to work in office. So this isn't a bucket of S for Obama (or for Clinton); this has to be his dream job.

Shadowknight: 1) I'd say equal parts megalomaniac and sadist


Don't you mean "masochist"?

Sadists are cruel, is that a good quality for a POTUS?

Rovian: nay-bob

nattering nabobs of negativity

AntiNerd: In the past century Republicans have always approached the office of president as a sort of elevation within the class of nobility. GWB had no idea what he was getting into. He thought, just like little boys thought everywhere, that when HE was president everybody else would have to just do as he said and that's that.

Terrists? Ekonomy? That is all thinky stuff you hire people for. The kids who got good grades now work for you, right? They have to work for you now and call you sir. You just get to decide stuff and let them work it out, and you get to make them squirm if it doesn't come out.

Ronald Reagan knew this. Nixon knew this. First Bush knew this. Who knows what GWB knew, except he had no ability of his own to judge what his "dream team" was doing. And rather than take corrective actions (assuming he wanted to) he just went in denial and trusted Rove to handle everything and often pretended that the way it turned out was what he was intending all along. Like any slacker.

The Democrats see the office as a working job. They may be more (Clinton) or less (Carter) good at the ceremonial part of the job but they all expected to work in office. So this isn't a bucket of S for Obama (or for Clinton); this has to be his dream job.

Wow... That was, well.

This. That's all that can be said, really.

Phil Herup: Shadowknight: 1) I'd say equal parts megalomaniac and sadist


Don't you mean "masochist"?

Sadists are cruel, is that a good quality for a POTUS?

DOH! Yeah, that. As I said in a previous thread, I'm spending Championship Sunday in a NightQuil induced haze built on a foundation of snot and lack of O₂. So, yeah, sorry about that.

Shadowknight: I'm spending Championship Sunday in a NightQuil induced haze built on a foundation of snot and lack of O2. So, yeah, sorry about that.

Bummer. Who do you like today?

Spanky_McFarksalot: when is he going to fit in having Osama Ahmedinejad over for tea?


FTFRight-wingers

FTFA: He also stressed the need to pump more U.S. military power into Afghanistan

Anyone else under the impression he wants to get out of this commitment as well?

/would like him to do so

Phil Herup: Shadowknight: I'm spending Championship Sunday in a NightQuil induced haze built on a foundation of snot and lack of O2. So, yeah, sorry about that.

Bummer. Who do you like today?

Steelers and Eagles, personally. I think an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl might be pretty cool. Though I am pulling for the Steelers. This area, for whatever reason, pulls for the Steelers almost as much as they do the Redskins (Norfolk, VA.) And since my Bears are out of the running, I figure I might as well pull for Big Ben for a win.

Shadowknight: I think an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl might be pretty cool.


Me too. That would be coo, two of the freakiest fan bases in the NFL.

Go get some Claritin-D, good stuff w/o feeling like you got shot with a traquilizer gun.

Phil Herup: Shadowknight: I think an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl might be pretty cool.


Me too. That would be coo, two of the freakiest fan bases in the NFL.

Go get some Claritin-D, good stuff w/o feeling like you got shot with a traquilizer gun.

It's nice to know that despite our (major) political differences, our universal dislike of the Baltimore Ravens can bring us together.

I only used two of my Percocets after my vasectomy two months ago, because they dried me out like I've never seen before. Though that side effect sucked then, I may like it now. Some would say taking a narcotic for a cold is a little extreme, but I say "I'm FARKING SICK DAMN IT!"

Just got to wait until after the NightQuil wears off. Something tells me it wouldn't be a good combo.

Geez... i few months of that and I'd imagine he'll start thinking of the year clusterfark of a campaign as the "easy" part. Damn... I'd stick with my job at the papercut factory in a salt mine thank you very much.

Shadowknight: Some would say taking a narcotic for a cold is a little extreme, but I say "I'm FARKING SICK DAMN IT!"


If you got 'em use them! Watch out for the acetaminophen (APAP) in the NyQuil, as there is acetaminophen in those Percs as well.

Too much APAP is not good especially if you are a Farker.

Spanky_McFarksalot: when is he going to fit in having Osama over for tea?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

So we can't ask this guy. He doesn't give a shiat. Never did.

McCain voter here. I wish Obama the best. It won't be easy, and there will always be tards who will never be happy no matter what he does. I didn't want him, but he is my president, and will now be on my prayer list at every Thanksgiving for the next 4 years(at least).

Phil Herup: Shadowknight: Some would say taking a narcotic for a cold is a little extreme, but I say "I'm FARKING SICK DAMN IT!"


If you got 'em use them! Watch out for the acetaminophen (APAP) in the NyQuil, as there is acetaminophen in those Percs as well.

Too much APAP is not good especially if you are a Farker.

Oh, trust me, I'm waiting for the NQ to wear off. I've had to push enough Narcans to know about accidental overdoses.

pleaseDemeter: Spanky_McFarksalot: when is he going to fit in having Osama over for tea?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

So we can't ask this guy. He doesn't give a shiat. Never did.

You missed the thread from a couple of days ago. Apparently Obama is now saying Bin Laden isn't a priority as well. Me thinks he and Bush know something the rest of us don't know/

pleaseDemeter: Spanky_McFarksalot: when is he going to fit in having Osama over for tea?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

So we can't ask this guy. He doesn't give a shiat. Never did.

That always struck me as hilariously sad. I mean, if you are going to spend all that time and energy demonizing someone as a national boogieman, you can't just say that you don't care about him anymore and switch targets. American hatred is fickle, but it doesn't change on a dime.

Shadowknight: That always struck me as hilariously sad. I mean, if you are going to spend all that time and energy demonizing someone as a national boogieman, you can't just say that you don't care about him anymore and switch targets. American hatred is fickle, but it doesn't change on a dime.

It was the apparent nonsensical 180 degree flip that made my eyes almost roll out of my head.

If you want to say something like, "He's not our prime priority anymore since his effectiveness has been mostly neutralized and we have more pressing dangers we need to focus on" - well, that's understandable and I think even legitimate.

But going on about "I have no idea and really don't care" just sounds so full of false bravado that it diminishes the person saying it. It's like if you were a child and someone took your favorite toy away and then you retorted with, "Well I didn't even like it anyway!"

I don't know about the rest of you, but I expect a little more gravitas from the President of the United States than that.

muck4doo:
You missed the thread from a couple of days ago. Apparently Obama is now saying Bin Laden isn't a priority as well. Me thinks he and Bush know something the rest of us don't know/

Thing is, he was a figure head. If the man is still alive, he is not really in a position of power or authority anymore. But the million-head hydra he helped create is still operating just fine, even after the main head was severed.

It was all the bluster Bush Co. put out, all of their tough talkin', "dead or alive" talk that they pushed. Hell, even McCain kept saying that he knew how to catch Osama and he would "follow him to the gates of hell." The funny part being, of course, that he would only tell if he was elected. And he apparently has yet to supply this information, so I suppose he's making good.

My point is that the Republicans made the big show out of a manhunt, and when they realized they couldn't or it would be far too difficult, they just switched him out with Saddam and hoped no one would notice. Then they tried to tell us that Osama wasn't really all that important after continually telling us that he was public enemy #1, as well as constantly making a big show out of every #2 we killed in succession to the next.

Shadowknight: Bush looks like he's been sleeping pretty well that last couple of years. He's a little grayer for wear, but not like Clinton, Carter, or any others aged.

You have to actually care for it to age you.

FTA: Barack Obama plans to make his first full day as president a jam-packed affair of prayer, diplomacy, war discussions

Mmmm, jam.

Warren G. Harding: You know it IS kind of a shiat job

Preach it, brother.

Mugato: You have to be something of a megalomaniac to want the job in the first place. To want to inherit the shiatstorm Bush left, you have to be a little insane, too. That's why no one really qualified applied.

The only person qualified, with experience dealing with this shiat, is FDR. He's kinda dead right now, tho.

muck4doo: McCain voter here. I wish Obama the best. It won't be easy, and there will always be tards who will never be happy no matter what he does. I didn't want him, but he is my president, and will now be on my prayer list at every Thanksgiving for the next 4 years(at least).

Prayer????? Damn bible thumpers. Democrats don't need your silly "prayers" to a floating unseen sky zombie.

Well, at least when he farks up, he can do the head nod towards Hillary when she's not lookin.

Shadowknight: muck4doo:
You missed the thread from a couple of days ago. Apparently Obama is now saying Bin Laden isn't a priority as well. Me thinks he and Bush know something the rest of us don't know/

Thing is, he was a figure head. If the man is still alive, he is not really in a position of power or authority anymore. But the million-head hydra he helped create is still operating just fine, even after the main head was severed.

It was all the bluster Bush Co. put out, all of their tough talkin', "dead or alive" talk that they pushed. Hell, even McCain kept saying that he knew how to catch Osama and he would "follow him to the gates of hell." The funny part being, of course, that he would only tell if he was elected. And he apparently has yet to supply this information, so I suppose he's making good.

My point is that the Republicans made the big show out of a manhunt, and when they realized they couldn't or it would be far too difficult, they just switched him out with Saddam and hoped no one would notice. Then they tried to tell us that Osama wasn't really all that important after continually telling us that he was public enemy #1, as well as constantly making a big show out of every #2 we killed in succession to the next.

Obama also promised Bin Laden on the campaign trail, but has now backed down off of it. Like I said, he and Bush know something we don't, and they aren't going to go public with it. No fault on Obama or Bush on this one. Our intelligence agents may be making them both say the same thing.

3_Butt_Cheeks: muck4doo: McCain voter here. I wish Obama the best. It won't be easy, and there will always be tards who will never be happy no matter what he does. I didn't want him, but he is my president, and will now be on my prayer list at every Thanksgiving for the next 4 years(at least).

Prayer????? Damn bible thumpers. Democrats don't need your silly "prayers" to a floating unseen sky zombie.

Well, at least when he farks up, he can do the head nod towards Hillary when she's not lookin.

Yeah, Obama will be in my Thanksgiving prayer. So what?

/senses you are being sarcastic....

muck4doo:
Obama also promised Bin Laden on the campaign trail, but has now backed down off of it. Like I said, he and Bush know something we don't, and they aren't going to go public with it. No fault on Obama or Bush on this one. Our intelligence agents may be making them both say the same thing.

My money's on him being dead, that they know with pretty much certainty that he's dead, but they can't prove it so they can't make the claim. It wasn't really Osama on that video that was released right before the '04 election, it was pretty obvious if you compared it with other known Osama footage, and we haven't seen any video from him since.

/Zombie Bin Laden is probably hanging out with Zombie Castro

muck4doo: Obama also promised Bin Laden on the campaign trail, but has now backed down off of it. Like I said, he and Bush know something we don't, and they aren't going to go public with it. No fault on Obama or Bush on this one. Our intelligence agents may be making them both say the same thing.


This is most likely it. There is a reason we are not going whole hog after him. It could be our FARK-level security clearance won't give us access to the information.

I also suspect it may be better to keep Osama alive and in power, as his replacement, Dr. Zawahiri, may be much more dangerous. Also Osama has nothing left to prove after 9/11.


My criticism comes back to the Bush detractors and Obama supporters on this one. They all believed Obama knew what he was talking about, in regards to bin Laden, when he clearly did not have a clue. There is a reason that we have treated bin Laden as we have, and it is clear that the general public is not privvy to that intelligence.

Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job (new window)

His first day to FRACK up the country

this will not end well

Well hopefully it'll turn out well, but in the three minutes of the Obama Express coverage on CNN I watched yesterday, I saw two grown men and one child say how happy they were about Obama's victory because of what he's going to "give" them.

That's the spirit.

Yanks_RSJ: Well hopefully it'll turn out well, but in the three minutes of the Obama Express coverage on CNN I watched yesterday, I saw two grown men and one child say how happy they were about Obama's victory because of what he's going to "give" them.

That's the spirit.

I didn't see it, so I don't mean this as sarcasm, but did they mean actual goods or services, or something a little more non-corporeal? Like, say, hope that someone can achieve anything they want, even the black son of a white woman and a deadbeat African dad?

Wolframkerngeschoss: FTFA: He also stressed the need to pump more U.S. military power into Afghanistan

Anyone else under the impression he wants to get out of this commitment as well?

/would like him to do so

The exact opposite. Obama has talked about increasing troops in Afganistan since the primaries. He called it the "Right" war. I personally don't understand him on this one. I agreed with him when he wanted to end the war in Irag and then he switched to fighting the war in Afganistan. He went from channelling Ghandi to channeling George (Patton,Bush, Custar,... take your pick). Additional troops are already slated for Afganistan.

//I hope you are right and he changes his position on this.

///But I doubt it.

muck4doo: Me thinks he and Bush know something the rest of us don't know/

I wonder if Bush knew he was dead when the vote-Kerry-or-else-video surfaced right before the 2004 election. Oh well, bin Laden's a useful tool, dead or alive.