Thanks to the people that land on the SHMHC for steering me toward these guys again. Absolutely incredible. And this have made it to the top of my list as this weeks favorite Meshuggah song.

Fail

Madbassist1: Fail

Whew! Thank the goodness you got here to drop your wisdom on us with that remarkable assessment.

Saw them last year opening for Ministry. Good stuff maynard.

supichoo: Saw them last year opening for Ministry. Good stuff maynard.

I have only seen them once, back about 1998 or 1999. They opened for Fear Factory. I had no idea who they were, but there was a kid at the show, probably 18 or 19 like I was at the time, that would yell out "MEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" about every 30 seconds like clockwork. He wasn't talking to anyone else or doing anything real weird, just shouting this every 30 seconds.

They came out and rocked balls and I understood why the kid was so excited.

/I love this album too, btw

Good band, great song, terrible album.


/seeing Meshuggah next month

TeddyBallGame: Madbassist1: Fail

Whew! Thank the goodness you got here to drop your wisdom on us with that remarkable assessment.

My opinion has exactly as much value as yours...no more, and no less. Get off your farking high horse.

These guys are super talented. Also, they are very original and unique with their 8string guitars etc. Their drummer (Thomas Haake I believe) is incredible. Meshuggah is indeed one of the most technical bands to play metal in my opinion.

However, I find them incredibly annyoying and can't listen to a single song, I'm not sure why. I believe it's usually the vocals and riffing that turn me off. However, I think it's their annoying fans who can't shut their flaps about the bands for a single minute is what perhaps turns me off the most.

With that said, they should team up with Textures for some crazy shiat that will drive people nuts. You guessed it, Textures is another band that's incredibly talented, yet annoys the shiat out of me.


/next teenager screaming "MEESSSHSHHHUUUUGAAAAAH!!!11oneone!!eleven!!" in my ears is gonna eat knucklesandwich
// my lawn, remove arse off it

Madbassist1: My opinion has exactly as much value as yours...no more, and no less. Get off your farking high horse.

I agree but come on, "my farking high horse?" Like coming into a thread to say "fail" like a petty pretentious douche bag? That, sweetheart, is a high horse. So how about you go listen to some Dream Theater or Dragon Force this week and STFU.

Meshugga is good.
If you like that math rock stuff (I sure do), try out Gojira. They smoke Meshugga IMHO.

Oh, and this (new window), just because.

BigSnatch: Good band, great song, terrible album.


/seeing Meshuggah next month

terrible album? no way. this is the best since chaosphere and one of the best from 2008.

fantastic band and among the elite...

That was my first time hearing anything from their new album - very mediocre. I liked DEI, Chaosphere (my favorite), Nothing and even Catch 33 ("I" was a pile of crap too) but this track alone has nothing but one rhythmic feel: the old start/stop riff. Standard for metal, but I just think Meshuggah could have done more. Better examples, IMO,

Straws Pulled At Random
Future Breed Machine
Elastic

Its nice to see Madbassist has chimed in with his expertise. I am still waiting for ANY link from ANY genre displaying what you believe to be creative.

TeddyBallGame: Madbassist1: My opinion has exactly as much value as yours...no more, and no less. Get off your farking high horse.

I agree but come on, "my farking high horse?" Like coming into a thread to say "fail" like a petty pretentious douche bag? That, sweetheart, is a high horse. So how about you go listen to some Dream Theater or Dragon Force this week and STFU.

Not only did he come in and say "fail," he also was able to use "fark" in a sentence!

/jealous
//okay, not really
///Meshuggah FTW

TeddyBallGame: I agree but come on, "my farking high horse?" Like coming into a thread to say "fail" like a petty pretentious douche bag? That, sweetheart, is a high horse. So how about you go listen to some Dream Theater or Dragon Force this week and STFU.

Nothing worse/better than watching metalheads argue over which noise is better noise.

Nothing worse/better than watching metalheads argue over which noise is better noise.


It's not noise if it has structure- metal is the most technically precise music made anymore. Just because you are feeble and cringe at the sound of anything more aggressive than Paris Hilton dry-humping a synthesizer doesn't make metal "noise" - it just means you're in the wrong thread.

Hey...don't know if you noticed, but there's something on your mouth. Do you want a napkin?

I like alot of Meshugga's music.

And any musician or artist that feels the need to put down another artist only makes himself look bad.

Saw a reference to Gojira earlier, but I lump them more in with that mastodon kind of metal, the kind i can't really categorize... anyway.

Meshuggah is a pretty damn good band. I dig the grooves they create... god stuff. At one point (LD 50) I thought mudvayne was going to be an american equivalent of them, but that obviously didnt happen.

Godscrack: I like alot of Meshugga's music.

And any musician or artist that feels the need to put down another artist only makes himself look bad.

Usually I agree with this sentiment, but then where does creative criticism lie?

No_One_Special: It's not noise if it has structure- metal is the most technically precise music made anymore. Just because you are feeble and cringe at the sound of anything more aggressive than Paris Hilton dry-humping a synthesizer doesn't make metal "noise" - it just means you're in the wrong thread.

No, the point is that metalheads seem to think that there's only one genre of music and they argue over coke is a different flavor of soda than pepsi

I don't like this song/video by Meshuggah.

I have seen and heard stuff by them before that I thought was cool.

I do very much enjoy heavy-ass de-tuned riffage but I usually prefer it with slower tempos.

More sluggish beat seems to make heavy music heavier.
Also,contrary to popular myth--playing slow is actually much more difficult to execute.

I really dig some of Pelican's slower stuff as well as "stoner" bands like Sons of Otis and the earlier lineup of Electric Wizard.

I like the music but I lost interest as soon as he opened his mouth. It's just more generic shouting that you can find in plenty of other bands.

Wake me when someone does something new.

El Chode: No_One_Special: It's not noise if it has structure- metal is the most technically precise music made anymore. Just because you are feeble and cringe at the sound of anything more aggressive than Paris Hilton dry-humping a synthesizer doesn't make metal "noise" - it just means you're in the wrong thread.

No, the point is that metalheads seem to think that there's only one genre of music and they argue over coke is a different flavor of soda than pepsi

Coke does not taste anything like Pepsi.

/pop

Yeah baby. Meshuggah kick ass, and obZen is a fantastic CD. Bleed isn't even the best song on there.

There really needs to be a SHMHC devoted to Gojira. These guys are phenomenal, and they're really catching on in the States.

Vacuity (new window) NSFW French girl boobs about half way through

...btw,those who dig Meshuggah usually are also into a Japanese band called Zeni Geva.

A band I personally view as somewhat similar in heavy threatening sound like Meshuggah.

From wiki:

critic Patrick Kennedy describes their 1993 album Desire for Agony as resembling "Motorhead meets King Crimson."

If you haven't heard Zeni Geva I urge you to check 'em out.

Be warned though--there is an embarrassingly silly vid of them on youtube where they are performing an outrageous Kraftwerk cover with friend Steve Albini. This is obviously meant as a joke and does NOT represent the full force of their musical menace.

El Chode: TeddyBallGame: I agree but come on, "my farking high horse?" Like coming into a thread to say "fail" like a petty pretentious douche bag? That, sweetheart, is a high horse. So how about you go listen to some Dream Theater or Dragon Force this week and STFU.

Nothing worse/better than watching metalheads argue over which noise is better noise.

Yeah, you're right. Normally I avoid that but for some reason 2nd post being "Fail" taking into account the huge number of bands that the SHMHC has used to this point just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry Madbassist1 and no offense.

seveword: Gojira

Do they have anything with a bit more chaos to it? I am always looking for more interesting metal.

seveword: There really needs to be a SHMHC devoted to Gojira

craigdamage: If you haven't heard Zeni Geva I urge you to check 'em out.

BTW, this is the best part of the SHMHC. I've been introduced or reintroduced to some incredible music. We may not agree on particular bands but in its own way it's all good.

/Fark Metal Heads FTW

TeddyBallGame: seveword: There really needs to be a SHMHC devoted to Gojira

craigdamage: If you haven't heard Zeni Geva I urge you to check 'em out.

BTW, this is the best part of the SHMHC. I've been introduced or reintroduced to some incredible music. We may not agree on particular bands but in its own way it's all good.

/Fark Metal Heads FTW


IMO, there needs to be at least 5 greens per SHMHC instead of one. A week. The metal forum that I frequent is far too elitist.

Magics5RIP Usually I agree with this sentiment, but then where does creative criticism lie?

Certainly not with 'They suck' and not explaining why. Then it's only one opinion.

BigSnatch: IMO, there needs to be at least 5 greens per SHMHC instead of one. A week. The metal forum that I frequent is far too elitist.

I hear you and I like our weekly meetings here. Hi, I'm TeddyBallGame and I'm a metal head... HI TED!

More than one would be over kill... hey, Overkill, they haven't been on here yet, but I digress. I think it's cool enough that Fark lets us have this weekly forum.

once again, madbassist1 ruins another perfectly good SHMHC.

i had no idea who these guys were until i saw this, that shiat is badass. awesome work with the kick drum/guitar syncing up like that. and the pull on the note in the main riff is pretty tight too! off to the pirate bay i go!

Great bad. I havent thought about them in years, thanks Subby

Also thanks for the suggestion with Gojira and Zeni Gena I will check them out no doubt. This is what Fark music threads are all about, not petty squabbles over opinion.

/I likes what I likes
//regardless of genre

Someone please explain to me why Meshuggah is any good. I listen to them, and all I hear is death metal being brutalized by a bunch of prog wankers.

Interesting video - too bad they snipped about a 1/3rd of the song, including one of Fredrik's better solos. That said, obZen is definitely a strong effort by the boys from Umeå, and as seveword said, it's not even the best song on the album.

They're coming through town again with Cynic in tow next month - I'm gonna do my best to be there.

Thanks for the Gojira recommendation. I'd somehow missed them.

SPna15: Someone please explain to me why Meshuggah is any good. I listen to them, and all I hear is death metal being brutalized by a bunch of prog wankers.

If you don't have an appreciation for jazz (or more specifically, hard bop/fusion), that's more than likely how Meshuggah is going to sound. I felt the same way until I started getting into Coltrane and Miles and understanding all the mechanics behind their music. I dug out the Meshuggah album I had at the time (DEI), listened to it again, and it all made sense (and subsequently rocked my face).

If you do - well, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe try some of their earlier stuff first - like None or DEI (Destroy Erase Improve).

/hope that helps

Kodiak Attack: Interesting video - too bad they snipped about a 1/3rd of the song, including one of Fredrik's better solos. That said, obZen is definitely a strong effort by the boys from Umeå, and as seveword said, it's not even the best song on the album.

They're coming through town again with Cynic in tow next month - I'm gonna do my best to be there.

I'd go exclusively for Cynic. Great prog/metal band!

To Kodiak Attack: Thanks for the lvel headed response. I don't really hear the jazz influence, but I'll look for some of thier early stuff.

/When I think of jazz metal, I think of Atheist (new window)

SPna15: To Kodiak Attack: Thanks for the lvel headed response. I don't really hear the jazz influence, but I'll look for some of thier early stuff.

/When I think of jazz metal, I think of Atheist (new window)

I don't think its as much of jazz influence as it is advanced counting exercises.

RagingLeonard: Meshugga is good.
If you like that math rock stuff (I sure do), try out Gojira. They smoke Meshugga IMHO.

Gojira and Meshuggah are my current "can't go a day without listening to" bands.

TeddyBallGame: Yeah, you're right. Normally I avoid that but for some reason 2nd post being "Fail" taking into account the huge number of bands that the SHMHC has used to this point just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry Madbassist1 and no offense.

I was also keying in specifically on the "looking down" on dream theater/prog rock metal in contrast to this. I'll listen to anything besides pop-punk typical things everyone can agree sucks because they're on the empty v, but it's just funny to watch people who get so niched on their style of music that something that shares similar roots suddenly becomes clicks and whistles in order to make a point.

SPna15: No problem! Meshuggah's earlier music is definitely more jazz-oriented than their current output (which is mostly downtuned syncopated mayhem). It's less jazzy than Atheist, but not by a whole lot.

Magic5RIP: Yeah, Cynic's new album is definitely great stuff (as was Focus - can't believe that was 15 years ago). I'll be going for Cynic/Meshuggah and for $20 a ticket, it's a steal.

That was tedious.

Same with Godflesh.


Godflesh have cited inspiration from Coltrane.


Not all "metal" dudes are Beavis/Butthead types.
I happen to know MANY metal folks who have a strong appreciation for Jazz and Classical and even Country & Western music. Many "metal" artists are influenced by pretty much anything and everything. LOUD DOES NOT MEAN DUMB

Music.
It is good stuff.

Not bad, but I prefer mid to late 90's Meshuggah.

See also: Watchtower, Blotted Science...

Atheist and Cynic are good, too. Same with 90's era Death.

Cross of Iron: Not bad, but I prefer mid to late 90's Meshuggah.

See also: Watchtower, Blotted Science...

Atheist and Cynic are good, too. Same with 90's era Death.

Do you know what you're doing by mentioning Blotted Science to mere mortals?? The sheer awesomeness of Jarzombeck-ness and Webster-ness is too much for farkers to handle. Oh well, there is only one thing left to do,

I don't like Meshuggah simply because they're really not melodic. They really have the technical picking with the drum thing down, but I prefer to hear like chords and stuff with my staccatoed drumming.

An example par excellence of this is Gojira (and way better than the boring song that the video posted up there was made for):

The Heaviest Matter in the Universe