"Investigators encountered treacherous conditions Saturday as they contemplated how to best hoist the jet from the water without damaging it."

Yeah - I want to fly on that thing in a couple of years.

Anyone have a link to the splashdown video?

I thought they already had divers check all that out.

What's joke about the Hudson again? Something like "Once a year the Hudson catches on fire and they have go throw water on it."

But if the engine didn't fall off to kill Donnie and re-integrate the tangent universe, then Donnie's girlfriend remains dead.

There is no permutation in which they both live.

Bag of Hammers: What's joke about the Hudson again? Something like "Once a year the Hudson catches on fire and they have go throw water on it."

You're thinking of Cleveland.

In case anyone cases, the Hudson is so clean now that the wooden docks are rotting from some worm kind of thing that didn't used to be able to survive the (formerly) polluted. water.

Now the bottom of the Hudson, that's got enough dioxin in it to mutate every organism on earth. But the water itself is pretty clean.

Nakito: But if the engine didn't fall off to kill Donnie and re-integrate the tangent universe, then Donnie's girlfriend remains dead.

There is no permutation in which they both live.

Dear Gods, I'd almost forgotten that movie. All I remembered was an aircraft engine and some dude in a stupid rabbit costume.

They better get that plane out quick before it dissolves.

Bolo Jungle: Bag of Hammers: What's joke about the Hudson again? Something like "Once a year the Hudson catches on fire and they have go throw water on it."

You're thinking of Cleveland.

The Cuyahoga hasn't caught fire for 40 years.

Bolo Jungle: You're thinking of Cleveland.

40 yrs ago, yeah. Today, while still 'not great', not so much flame and stink.

Bolo Jungle: Bag of Hammers: What's joke about the Hudson again? Something like "Once a year the Hudson catches on fire and they have go throw water on it."

You're thinking of Cleveland.

The pollution of our waterways became a national issue in June of 1969, the day that the Cuyahoga River, flowing through Cleveland, Ohio, on its way to Lake Erie, caught on fire because it was so polluted. Although this was not the first time that the Cuyahoga River had been in flames, the 1969 fire caught the attention of the nation and the fight began for increased water pollution controls, which eventually led to the Great Lakes Water Quality Act and Clean Water Act in the 1970s.

http://www.great-lakes.net/teach/pollution/water/water1.html

//the more you know!!!

I'm really hoping the water doesn't wash all the feathers and guts out of the engines before the NTSB can give their blessing to the pilots story.

So far, they have not. They don't even have the plane back yet, let alone engine failure forensics.

so it is not at the darko residence?

I have a river in my backyard, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....

For those of you who have never left the computermachine long enough to see a river, even "clean" rivers can get pretty muddy. That's because they're eroding the shorelines and picking up sediment as they flow. Mud from natural erosion is not the same thing as pollution.

The Hudson no doubt doesn't have that much mud from natural erosion, but its still going to be quite murky from the sediment it collected back when it was a natural river.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Bolo Jungle: You're thinking of Cleveland.

40 yrs ago, yeah. Today, while still 'not great', not so much flame and stink.

And no plane.

studebaker hoch: I'm really hoping the water doesn't wash all the feathers and guts out of the engines before the NTSB can give their blessing to the pilots story.

The bent turbine blades will probably be enough.

And they can tell the difference between bending from water impact and bending from bird impact.

doglover: Nakito: But if the engine didn't fall off to kill Donnie and re-integrate the tangent universe, then Donnie's girlfriend remains dead.

There is no permutation in which they both live.

Dear Gods, I'd almost forgotten that movie. All I remembered was an aircraft engine and some dude in a stupid rabbit costume.

The second stupidest movie of all time.

The investigation played out as authorities released the first video showing the spectacular crash landing.

Anyone have a link the the video they're talking about?

Gilligann: Anyone have a link the the video they're talking about?

here(pops)

Benjimin_Dover: The second stupidest movie of all time.

After Howard the Duck, or Notorious?

My Dad was an engineer. Worked for Boeing for a million years.

He told me engines are 'sposed to fall off in certain circumstances. Like when they are on fire, or when the blades are damaged causing dangerous vibrations that could tear the wing off/apart.

One of you FARK aviation experts can probably illuminate this subject a little better.

remus: Benjimin_Dover: The second stupidest movie of all time.

After Howard the Duck, or Notorious?

Second after the same movie BEFORE it was edited for distribution. HTD and Noto are right down there with it, though.

Robo Beat: The Cuyahoga hasn't caught fire for 40 years.

Yes, but that was still the river he was referencing. The Cuyahoga not having caught fire in 40 years doesn't negate that it's the river people think about as having caught on fire.

My engine was missing once, but I changed the plugs and found it again.

"How could you swim in that water?"
"I saw a couple other guys out there."
"Swimming?"
"Well... floating. They weren't moving much, but they were out there."

While they're lifting it out of the river with that crane, do you think they'll have time to put it on a treadmill for a sec?

"It was like a flabby arm spanking machine!"

rbuzby: One of you FARK aviation experts can probably illuminate this subject a little better.

Yes they are. In case of some major impact, it is better to lose 'just' the engine pod than the engine pod and 1/2 the wing.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: rbuzby: One of you FARK aviation experts can probably illuminate this subject a little better.

Yes they are. In case of some major impact, it is better to lose 'just' the engine pod than the engine pod and 1/2 the wing.

They don't have explosive bolts for that instance?

Geneva convention rules state that the remains of our brave freedom fighter MUST be given a respectful burial!
Do not taunt us!

studebaker hoch: They better get that plane out quick before it dissolves.

Blinky the 3 eyed fish and his compadres would have made a nice home of it.

acanuck: "Investigators encountered treacherous conditions Saturday as they contemplated how to best hoist the jet from the water without damaging it."

Yeah - I want to fly on that thing in a couple of years.



It's for insurance and investigation purposes. The more pieces they have, the more complete picture of what happened appears.

A passenger jet is very expensive - I can see it being an appeal to some airline companies to claim on it for newer ones.

/Why yes, I do assume - but I assume within reason.

CrispFlows: They don't have explosive bolts for that instance?

No. Just that the mount points will break before the wing structure.

If there were explosive bolts on the engine mounts, we would have seen an inadvertent engine ejection long before now.

From TFA:
Authorities also released a frantic 911 call that captured the drama of the flight. A man from the Bronx called 911 at 3:29 p.m. Thursday, three minutes after the plane took off.

"Oh my God! It was a big plane. I heard a big boom just now. We looked up, and the plane came straight over us, and it was turning. Oh my God!" the caller said.

Remember kids, if you ever see a plane flying overhead--and turning!--call 911 immediately!

"Geneva convention rules state that the remains of our brave freedom fighter MUST be given a respectful burial!
Do not taunt us!"

Does a red wine reduction sauce with some pearl onions and peppercorns count?

/those squawking, shait-machine farkers are too greasy to boot.

Quintessence: From TFA:
Authorities also released a frantic 911 call that captured the drama of the flight. A man from the Bronx called 911 at 3:29 p.m. Thursday, three minutes after the plane took off.

"Oh my God! It was a big plane. I heard a big boom just now. We looked up, and the plane came straight over us, and it was turning. Oh my God!" the caller said.

Remember kids, if you ever see a plane flying overhead--and turning!--call 911 immediately!

Don't be opaque, he reported a real event.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: CrispFlows: They don't have explosive bolts for that instance?

No. Just that the mount points will break before the wing structure.

If there were explosive bolts on the engine mounts, we would have seen an inadvertent engine ejection long before now.

Only because some dumbass passenger found the "wings stay on/wings fall off" toggle switch when trying to recline his seat.

Manfred J. Hattan: In case anyone cases, the Hudson is so clean now that the wooden docks are rotting from some worm kind of thing that didn't used to be able to survive the (formerly) polluted. water.

Now the bottom of the Hudson, that's got enough dioxin in it to mutate every organism on earth. But the water itself is pretty clean.

That is correct. A buddy of mine is a pier inspector and has seen the water go from the consistancy of YooHoo to that of Gatorade.

Most airliner jet engines are held on with "shear bolts", designed to break away if the engine sees too much force. Normally this happens when an engine fails and loses some guts, then goes wildly out of balance. Rather than put all of that vibration into the wing, they just drop the engine.

My guess is impact with the water would be enough to shear the bolts and lose the engine, and again, this is what you would want given the conditions.

This of course only works with pylon-mounted engines.

/I'm surprised the one engine stayed on, I'd expect to find both right where the plane first made contact with the water.

acanuck: "Investigators encountered treacherous conditions Saturday as they contemplated how to best hoist the jet from the water without damaging it."

Yeah - I want to fly on that thing in a couple of years.

Be nice to get that sucker up out of the river before all the contents of the nearly-full fuel tanks leak out.

And if you really are a Canuck, hey what up with those immigration laws of yours? I love snow, but y'all don't love me, apparently.

I'm glad the authorities are spending more money and putting more effort into investigating this non-event than they did for 9-11.

/Giuliani'd

rbuzby: He told me engines are 'sposed to fall off in certain circumstances.

Basically, the engines are whirling bundles of instant death with umpteen ultra-hard swords spinning at near sonic speeds and a blow torch in the middle. Bolted directly onto a large fuel tank. If they clip a sturdy blade of grass they're designed to shear the hell off so the passengers have a chance of clearing the blast radius.

/Actually, yes they're designed to breakaway on impact in order to preserve fuel tank/wing integrity and eliminate a source of obvious ignition

Hudson's clean. But then you're the same assholes who go into convulsions at the mere mention of Fox News so I guess your idiocy is expected.

I'm surprised that nobody has hung subby for "the Norfolk."

"The" Norfolk is terrible but I love the Seinfeld reference, one I know well as I grew up in Norfolk. But wasn't it the "East River" -- is that the same as the Hudson?

darrent83: It has to be the most disgusting body of water I've ever seen.

Go overseas.

darrent83: NYZooMan: Hudson's clean. But then you're the same assholes who go into convulsions at the mere mention of Fox News so I guess your idiocy is expected.

It may be better then it was in the past but it sure doesn't look or smell clean. It has to be the most disgusting body of water I've ever seen.

Then you don't get out much.

The engine is designed to come off before the wing gets damaged... but they also engineer the hell out of the wings. 777 Wing Load test video (new window). Amazing wing engineering, weird video editing.

Surpheon: Basically, the engines are whirling bundles of instant death with umpteen ultra-hard swords spinning at near sonic speeds and a blow torch in the middle. Bolted directly onto a large fuel tank. If they clip a sturdy blade of grass they're designed to shear the hell off so the passengers have a chance of clearing the blast radius.

I guarantee the next time I'm sitting in a plane and happen to glance at the window at an engine, this description will pop into my head.

And I will laugh.

/though I have seen pics from at least one accident where the engine grenaded and sent fragments into the cabin, not pretty