What does Courtney Love have to say about this?

Like I've said before...move the Palestinians and the Israelis and everyone else out of the region. Move them to start new lands as they want them in Africa or Canada or somewhere else where there's a lot of undeveloped land. Then carpetbomb the entire region until there isn't a single brick remaining atop another brick. You've been fighting for 2000 years over the same shiatty little rock because it's supposedly sacred to your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever. You've proven you're incapable of playing nice. Fine. Level the place until it's indistinguishable from the shiatpile of rocks and sand around it. This is why you can't have nice things.

HowlingFrog: What does Courtney Love have to say about this?

I think Courtney Love wrote this headline.

But seriously, Israel is officially out of its farking mind. And turn to the BBC if you want to see what's happening in Gaza, they have journalists there.

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Like I've said before...move the Palestinians and the Israelis and everyone else out of the region. Move them to start new lands as they want them in Africa or Canada or somewhere else where there's a lot of undeveloped land. Then carpetbomb the entire region until there isn't a single brick remaining atop another brick. You've been fighting for 2000 years over the same shiatty little rock because it's supposedly sacred to your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever. You've proven you're incapable of playing nice. Fine. Level the place until it's indistinguishable from the shiatpile of rocks and sand around it. This is why you can't have nice things.

Why don't we cut out a chunk of America for them instead?

coco ebert: Why don't we cut out a chunk of America for them instead?

I'm 150% fine with that. Any place where there's a lot of undeveloped space..those were just two of many potential examples.

coco ebert: But seriously, Israel is officially out of its farking mind. And turn to the BBC if you want to see what's happening in Gaza, they have journalists there.

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"When you have hundreds of journalists coming in, most haven't the faintest idea about the war or the situation," he said. "Take the UN school [where 42 people were killed by an Israeli shell] for example. There's a lot of questions as to what actually happened. If the foreign media had been there it would have had much more of an impact on the conflict than it has at the moment. For the first time, when Israel raised questions, journalists had to address these issues and not get caught in feeding frenzy of reporting the story."
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The BBC has two Palestinian producers in Gaza who have supplied material. But its Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, is among those unable to enter Gaza. "We've had coverage but of course it is not the coverage that we would have liked to have had because we would have preferred to have gone in ourselves," he said.
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Three times in recent days, a small group of foreign correspondents was told to appear at the border crossing to Gaza. The reporters were to be permitted in to cover firsthand the Israeli war on Hamas in keeping with a Supreme Court ruling against the two-month-old Israeli ban on foreign journalists entering Gaza.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/world/middleeast/07media.html?_r=1&hp

The Israeli military has once again barred the first small group of international reporters from getting into Gaza, despite a high court ruling directing them to let journalists in whenever they opened Erez for humanitarian reasons.

World media urge Israel to let press into Gaza

Frustrated reporters locked out of Gaza war zone

Media barred from Gaza

Israel keeps tight leash on media

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: coco ebert: Why don't we cut out a chunk of America for them instead?

I'm 150% fine with that. Any place where there's a lot of undeveloped space..those were just two of many potential examples.

Let them move up here to Wyoming. Most of this state is empty.

coco ebert: And turn to the BBC

left out

Throughout the two-week bombardment of the Gaza Strip most journalists have been kept out by the Israeli government on the pretext of security. And the Israelis are pleased with the results.

Foreign journalists have been forced to report without getting to the detail of what is going on. That meant, at least in the early days of the bombardment, that reporters who would have been in Gaza were instead reporting from Israeli towns and cities under fire from Hamas, and Israeli officials found it easier to get themselves in front of a television camera.

An Israeli official told me they were delighted at a BBC TV correspondent broadcasting from Ashkelon in a flak jacket, reinforcing the impression that the Israeli city is a war zone when there is more chance of being hit by a car than a rocket. The notable exception is al-Jazeera TV, which has a bureau in Gaza City and has been broadcasting live from there.

Party Boy

Why can't they use Palestinian journalists who speak English? They would be too biased? We have domestic journalists report on domestic issues all the time. Let them send the reports out. US media outlets did that when it was too dangerous for American journalists to go out in Iraq.

By the way, I think Al-Jazeera has reporters in Gaza too but I'm not sure if Americans can get Al-Jazeera International. Here it's on the line-up with BBC World, CNN International, and SkyNews.

coco ebert: Why can't they use Palestinian journalists who speak English?

Party Boy: The BBC has two Palestinian producers in Gaza who have supplied material. But its Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, is among those unable to enter Gaza. "We've had coverage but of course it is not the coverage that we would have liked to have had because we would have preferred to have gone in ourselves," he said.

The issue is that the coverage in Gaza isn't what they want, since (posted above) those journalists are barred from entering despite an Israeli court order.

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coco ebert: I think Al-Jazeera has reporters in Gaza too but I'm not sure if Americans can get Al-Jazeera International. Here it's on the line-up with BBC World, CNN International, and SkyNews.


With Israel banning foreign journalists from entering Gaza, al-Jazeera has laid claim to being the only international broadcast house inside the strip.
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All kinds of people say its too biased... even this..
Bahrain bans Al Jazeera TV


BBC World has been dropped by Israel's satellite provider Yes TV in favour of the newly launched al-Jazeera English.
Meanwhile, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, the late leader of the al-Qaeda in Iraq, reportedly posted an internet message accusing al-Jazeera of being a "mouthpiece for the Americans".

The internet makes such television exclusion less restrictive.

Green
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(AP) Journalists group condemns strike on Gaza media

(FOX) Explosion Blasts Media Offices in Gaza

That headline gave me a headache.

Well some news gets out (new window)

and the Israeli street keeps it classy (new window)

coco ebert: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: Like I've said before...move the Palestinians and the Israelis and everyone else out of the region. Move them to start new lands as they want them in Africa or Canada or somewhere else where there's a lot of undeveloped land. Then carpetbomb the entire region until there isn't a single brick remaining atop another brick. You've been fighting for 2000 years over the same shiatty little rock because it's supposedly sacred to your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever. You've proven you're incapable of playing nice. Fine. Level the place until it's indistinguishable from the shiatpile of rocks and sand around it. This is why you can't have nice things.

Why don't we cut out a chunk of America for them instead?

Sure. I vote Texas.

Did this headline give anyone else pricipal caught sayof flashbacks?

Somewhere in his lair, Party Boy is reacting to a klaxon by rushing to his pc.

As a pariah-state, Israel is well with in it's moral authority to ignore the International community in regards to nuclear proliferation and the systematic expulsion of all she deems unworthy to participate in their desire to begin the end-of-times.

The fact of the matter is, Gaza is not a country. Being geographically located within the physical borders of Greater-Israel, it is up to Israel to determine how she desires to purge her populous of undesirables.

Let us not forget our founding fathers, who when greeted with the threat of external culture, proudly rounded them up and exterminated them, systematically.

I cry at the thought of these brave men caving into International demands to not erradicate the brutal and savage reds.

In order to secure predominance, a nation should not seek to limit herself based on the emotional responce of the compassionate. Only through Total War can we ever hope secure Total Peace.

And when the enemies of our children are slain and dominated, only then can they view the sky through eyes which are truly free.

So, serious question here but the Israeli supreme court supposedly ruled against the IDF not allowing press into Gaza.

Any word on what has happened with that result, or predictions?

Destroying Gaza will do nothing for the Israeli cause. The way to remove insurgents (or Hamas in this case) is to win the support of the people they recruit from. Lowering the quality of life will indeed cause people to yearn for a better situation, but they'll do this as they have for the past decades, by uniting against Israel and not by sitting silently in squalor as they wait for Israel to favor them.

I understand that Hamas is shiat. But why do the people support them, as they are not inherently any different than any other people? The widespread destruction of this war could have instead been spent on humanitarian aid to undercut Hamas' role, as Israel is likely to inherit all of the damage they are causing.

I agree with the carpet bombing suggestion. Level the entire region so that it is uninhabitable for centuries. Let them fight over the charred rocks they can't live on and the temple they used to have. Then bomb them all again.

/used to be very sympathetic for the difficulties in the region
//tired of hearing about it
///kill them all- every man woman and child, let the world continue without them.

itazurakko: So, serious question here but the Israeli supreme court supposedly ruled against the IDF not allowing press into Gaza.

Any word on what has happened with that result, or predictions?

I think they just let them 50 feet into Gaza. Letter of law followed, spirit be damned.

bartink: Somewhere in his lair, Party Boy is reacting to a klaxon by rushing to his pc.

And I thank him for it.

HotWingConspiracy: and the Israeli street keeps it classy (new window)

The talkbacks to the article are interesting, not too uncommon either quite frankly.

evilboyevil: The widespread destruction of this war could have instead been spent on humanitarian aid to undercut Hamas' role, as Israel is likely to inherit all of the damage they are causing.

Holy shiat, someone gets it!!

/that would be rewarding terrorism, though!

Israel is dealing with a situation that is nearly impossible to resolve. The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

The Israelis have one other choice to resolve the problem - kill ALL of the palestinians. They have refrained from doing so and that is to their credit. All of you bleeding hearts should be happy with that.

No, the Israelis are not working toward that goal. If that was their goal, the palestinians would all be dead by now.

itazurakko: HotWingConspiracy: and the Israeli street keeps it classy (new window)

The talkbacks to the article are interesting, not too uncommon either quite frankly.

Yes. The level of denial is truly astounding.

They just keep blaming Hamas for their actions. I had no idea their hand could be so easily forced.

nicksteel: The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

Weird how occupying their territory by force could piss some people off like that.

I know it's easier than actual journalism but I don't see why news outlets bother to pass along military PR anyway. It has virtually no value and only a passing resemblance to reality.

cameroncrazy1984: nicksteel: The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

Weird how occupying their territory by force could piss some people off like that.

Are you so dim as to think that the problem is of recent origin??

nicksteel: Israel is dealing with a situation that is nearly impossible to resolve. The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

You know, it's not really helpful when people (and I've seen both sides do it) conflate Gaza (or worse, Hamas) with "the Palestinians", casually ignoring the fact that the majority of the Palestinians actually live in the West Bank under a Fatah government that recognizes Israel and is essentially locked in a blood feud against Hamas.

nicksteel: The Israelis have one other choice to resolve the problem - kill ALL of the palestinians. They have refrained from doing so and that is to their credit. All of you bleeding hearts should be happy with that.

Or they could, you know, stop forcing them off their own land and building settlements occupied by radical Jews.

gnobesav: Did this headline give anyone else pricipal caught sayof flashbacks?

Innocent civilian - is he dead or not? Israel says no.

coco ebert: And turn to the BBC if you want to see what's happening in Gaza,

No thank you. Joe The Plumber will give me all the news I need.

Biological Ali: nicksteel: Israel is dealing with a situation that is nearly impossible to resolve. The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

You know, it's not really helpful when people (and I've seen both sides do it) conflate Gaza (or worse, Hamas) with "the Palestinians", casually ignoring the fact that the majority of the Palestinians actually live in the West Bank under a Fatah government that recognizes Israel and is essentially locked in a blood feud against Hamas.

All the people in Gaza support Hamas through their silence and inaction. Arabs have been conducting blood feuds within their own ranks for centuries and at the same time they have tried to destroy Israel.

The people might recognize Israel, but they still do not like Israel. They would destroy Israel tomorrow if they could.

Edsel: nicksteel: The Israelis have one other choice to resolve the problem - kill ALL of the palestinians. They have refrained from doing so and that is to their credit. All of you bleeding hearts should be happy with that.

Or they could, you know, stop forcing them off their own land and building settlements occupied by radical Jews.

Those lands that you refer to were granted to Israel as spoils of war, why should they not build settlements there??

nicksteel: All the people in Gaza support Hamas through their silence and inaction.

Even the ones that didn't vote for Hamas? What exactly do you expect them to do?

They would destroy Israel tomorrow if they could.

And you know this how?

I'm sure the American Press is all over this!


Jeffrey Zucker, CEO NBC TV, Zionist
Robert Iger, CEO ABC, Zionist
Leslie Moonves, CEO CBS, grandnephew of David Ben Gurion, Zionist
Peter F. Chernin, President and COO FOX, Zionist

nicksteel: cameroncrazy1984: nicksteel: The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

Weird how occupying their territory by force could piss some people off like that.

Are you so dim as to think that the problem is of recent origin??

Are you so dim as to think I was referring to the recent occupation?

Biological Ali: nicksteel: All the people in Gaza support Hamas through their silence and inaction.

Even the ones that didn't vote for Hamas? What exactly do you expect them to do?

They would destroy Israel tomorrow if they could.

And you know this how?

They have been trying to do so since 1948. Nothing has happened that would change that.

What do I expect them to do?? Isn't it obvious? Those people know that Israel will react to rockets being fired at them and they know what that reaction will do. They should stand up to Hamas, it would be better for them than waiting for the Israelis to retaliate.

cameroncrazy1984: nicksteel: cameroncrazy1984: nicksteel: The palestinians hate the Israelis so strongly that there is nota thing the Israelis can offer them that would make them happy, short of all the Israelis leaving for some other locale.

Weird how occupying their territory by force could piss some people off like that.

Are you so dim as to think that the problem is of recent origin??

Are you so dim as to think I was referring to the recent occupation?

The Israelis never occupied the palestinians lands by force. They did take some land as spoils of war, land that made their country more defensible. But they never forced the palestinians off their land.

nicksteel: They should stand up to Hamas

Remember when Fatah tried that? Didn't work out. And they actually had guns.

HotWingConspiracy: nicksteel: They should stand up to Hamas

Remember when Fatah tried that? Didn't work out. And they actually had guns.

Then they will get what they deserve by their inaction.

nicksteel: HotWingConspiracy: nicksteel: They should stand up to Hamas

Remember when Fatah tried that? Didn't work out. And they actually had guns.

Then they will get what they deserve by their inaction.

Hmmm, so inaction = death and action = death.

Given those choices, I'd root for the home team.

HotWingConspiracy: nicksteel: HotWingConspiracy: nicksteel: They should stand up to Hamas

Remember when Fatah tried that? Didn't work out. And they actually had guns.

Then they will get what they deserve by their inaction.

Hmmm, so inaction = death and action = death.

Given those choices, I'd root for the home team.

die like sheep or die like men.

you made a BAAAAAAAAAd choice.

nicksteel: They have been trying to do so since 1948.

Who exactly are you talking about? The Palestinians aren't some kind of monolithic entity; in fact, the majority of them live under a government that recognizes Israel. It's also not mere coincidence that Hamas's best electoral performance came after they dropped calls for the destruction of Israel from their election manifesto (though that ultimately proved disingenuous, it seems).

The assertion that the Palestinian people want to "destroy Israel" is just plain ludicrous.

nicksteel: die like sheep or die like men.

you made a BAAAAAAAAAd choice.

In that case, I can assume through your inaction that you'll whole-heartedly support every single thing that Obama plans to do while in office, right?

Biological Ali: nicksteel: They have been trying to do so since 1948.

Who exactly are you talking about? The Palestinians aren't some kind of monolithic entity; in fact, the majority of them live under a government that recognizes Israel. It's also not mere coincidence that Hamas's best electoral performance came after they dropped calls for the destruction of Israel from their election manifesto (though that ultimately proved disingenuous, it seems).

The assertion that the Palestinian people want to "destroy Israel" is just plain ludicrous.

If you believe that, YOU have not been paying attention. THe Palestinian people were offered their own homeland in 1948 and turned that down and then attacked Israel.

Open your eyes and your brain.

Biological Ali: nicksteel: die like sheep or die like men.

you made a BAAAAAAAAAd choice.

In that case, I can assume through your inaction that you'll whole-heartedly support every single thing that Obama plans to do while in office, right?

please tell me what screwed up logic lead you to that conclusion.