i love boehner's faux-shock. if he's really surprised that they're going down a keynesian path to recovery, he must have been living under a rock for months.

to add: especially after boehner supported and voted for the bailout, which was more or less the same thing.

but that was giving money to rich people. maybe he's just shocked that they're going to try and spur the economy for people who aren't rich.

No, really guys. Cash is king. You *really* want to be holding a lot of dollars right about now.

A unicorns and rainbows headline? Again? It's not even the inauguration, and you guys are already out of material. Then again, you guys were out of material before the election too, so I don't expect much.

/in the Pelosi thread before Gary whines about factions

Is it possible for the Democrats to do anything WORSE to the economy than the Republicans have done? If, as I suspect, the answer is "probably not," then it would behoove the butthurt 27%ers to go away until someone calls for them.

cousin-merle: A unicorns and rainbows headline? Again? It's not even the inauguration, and you guys are already out of material. Then again, you guys were out of material before the election too, so I don't expect much.

/in the Pelosi thread before Gary whines about factions

lol..I didn't vote for that beast.

Great. we're basically screwed.farking politicians.

Weaver95: Great. we're basically screwed.farking politicians.

I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

GaryPDX: lol..I didn't vote for that beast.

You are drawn to her.
And she is drawn to you.
Why do you keep fighting it?
Now be her young apprentice. As you can see, your friends have failed. Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational legislative chamber!

GaryPDX: lol..I didn't vote for that beast.

i never pegged you for the san francisco type, gary.

cousin-merle: GaryPDX: lol..I didn't vote for that beast.

You are drawn to her.
And she is drawn to you.
Why do you keep fighting it?
Now be her young apprentice. As you can see, your friends have failed. Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational legislative chamber!

ackkk!! gag ..oh man..you got me.

GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

He's been buying up a shiatload of water here in Texas.

SchlingFocker: GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

He's been buying up a shiatload of water here in Texas.

She owns 20000 shares..:)

GaryPDX: SchlingFocker: GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

He's been buying up a shiatload of water here in Texas.

She owns 20000 shares..:)

Yea, she bought in at 19.50. CLNE is around 4 bucks right now after Prop10 got killed. Karma....

GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

I thought you trusted the private sector over government.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yea, she bought in at 19.50. CLNE is around 4 bucks right now after Prop10 got killed. Karma....

Awww...well..that's motivation..:)

whidbey: GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

I thought you trusted the private sector over government.

It's a clear conflict of interest for Nancy. She'll be steering taxpayer money into a business she owns a stake in. You understand that's wrong, correct?

whidbey: Still Fark is the best news aggregate I've ever heard of...even with all the anti-Obama trollbait.

lalalalala...:0)

GaryPDX: It's a clear conflict of interest for Nancy. She'll be steering taxpayer money into a business she owns a stake in. You understand that's wrong, correct?

I understand you think it's wrong. Care to show me which law she's breaking?

GaryPDX: It's a clear conflict of interest for Nancy. She'll be steering taxpayer money into a business she owns a stake in. You understand that's wrong, correct?

whidbey: GaryPDX: It's a clear conflict of interest for Nancy. She'll be steering taxpayer money into a business she owns a stake in. You understand that's wrong, correct?

I understand you think it's wrong. Care to show me which law she's breaking?

You think it's okay to steer public money into your own pockets? There's laws that are at least being bent, if not broken and it's not a very popular thing to do. That's the public trust we're talking about.

whidbey: Well, I TRUST that Pickens is one of the most innovative private sector entrepreneurs in the field of green technology and I see this as a needed step to invest in ideas like his. So what's the problem, other than the fact you don't like Democrats?

Well, what it looks like to me is trading one energy tyrant for another. However, I have a connection to a business that will likely be doing NG conversions on vehicles. Natural gas is big up here. I like wind energy but I loathe centralized distribution by utility companies. The products are on the shelf for wind DC power systems and people could make changes on their own.

GaryPDX: lalalalala...

Admit it Gary. You have the hots for her. You long to run your hands over her trembling limbs. You want to stare deep into her buggy blinking eyes and run your fingers through her helmet of hair. Every time you see her name a thrill goes up your spine.

Stop resisting. Give in to your passion^.

quickdraw: GaryPDX: lalalalala...

Admit it Gary. You have the hots for her. You long to run your hands over her trembling limbs. You want to stare deep into her buggy blinking eyes and run your fingers through her helmet of hair. Every time you see her name a thrill goes up your spine.

Stop resisting. Give in to your passion^.

GACCCKKK...eeeks.

With these idiots running the country we are screwed. "We'll spend our way out of the recession!!!"

Unicorns are so 20th century.

Where is the flying horse we were promised?

I don't have kids so I don't have to worry about them paying for it so I say gimme gimme gimme.

fark Pelosi. And Reid.


/they both need to go.
//off the table. heh.

FTA: The package would funnel tens of billions of dollars to state governments, including $87 billion for a temporary increase in the federal match for Medicai.


Wow. They must have really cut back on Medicaid. They can't even afford all the constonants.

GaryPDX: whidbey: GaryPDX: I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

I thought you trusted the private sector over government.

It's a clear conflict of interest for Nancy. She'll be steering taxpayer money into a business she owns a stake in. You understand that's wrong, correct?

nice to finally have you on board. Strange, I didn't see you complaining during the last 7 years when the government was turning over every possible cent to Dick Cheney's bosses in Halliburton, not to mention Enron controlling our nation's energy policy.

What happened to you buddy?

A Republican shocked at 'borrow and spend'? WTF?

The last 3 Republicans in the White House flogged the HELL out of deficit spending. Ok, let's be fair - Clinton did too. And you know Obama will. Our economy and government have shifted into it, and we can't meet a budget if we don't.

It's just what we do.

I'm just here for the Pelosi Trolls.

inthrees: And you know Obama will.


Hope and change, and all that.

and they'll pay for it with a $17.00 tax on cigarettes!

/per pack

depmode98: nice to finally have you on board. Strange, I didn't see you complaining during the last 7 years when the government was turning over every possible cent to Dick Cheney's bosses in Halliburton, not to mention Enron controlling our nation's energy policy.

What happened to you buddy?

Didn't you get the memo, republicans are all about fiscal and ethic responsibility when you have democrats in the leadership role.

/Such brave souls

FTFA: The package would funnel tens of billions of dollars to state governments, including $87 billion for a temporary increase in the federal match for Medicai


I told you "MEDICAI" was real

GaryPDX: Weaver95: Great. we're basically screwed.farking politicians.

I'd like to see where the "green energy" part is getting paid. Betcha 5 bucks it has to do with T Boone Pickens.

I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret...oh wait. No I won't. Nancy is heavily invested in Pickens' ventures.

It will take a brazillion dollars.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: BTW, chucklehead bought me a TF subscript today. I'm flattered. I swore I'd never pay for one myself. But maybe life is better here on the sundeck instead of the rowing room with the Liters.

Busted a gut lolering!

THX ya evil neo-con bastid! ;-)

Senescent Dawn: No, really guys. Cash commodities is king. You *really* want to be holding a lot of dollars gold right about now.

FTFY. All the dollars in the world won't help you in an inflationary environment. But they still beat the hell out of holding debt, I suppose.

GaryPDX:
Well, what it looks like to me is trading one energy tyrant for another. However, I have a connection to a business that will likely be doing NG conversions on vehicles. Natural gas is big up here. I like wind energy but I loathe centralized distribution by utility companies. The products are on the shelf for wind DC power systems and people could make changes on their own.

You may be trading one energy tyrant for another, but at least he's one of your energy tyrants, that theoretically you shouldn't have to dominate with military power. He's a cheaper and more predictable tyrant, in any event.

As far as local generation, I entirely agree with you (perhaps a first). While upgrading the grid is important (for flow in both directions), the right answer for the bulk of energy production is local energy production, which removes some of the loss due to transmission inefficiency.

Personally, I get 100% of my power from regionally-generated wind, and I'll be a net-producer inside of 8 months. Timing is good- get in while the generation resources are available and cheap.

Unicorns bite and Rainbows reconcile the the black hole information paradox.

extends open flat accepting palm.

So where is the other half being spent?

15T in debt by 2012. You heard it here first. Adding as much as Bush in half the time.

unyon: Personally, I get 100% of my power from regionally-generated wind, and I'll be a net-producer inside of 8 months. Timing is good- get in while the generation resources are available and cheap.

There^^^ is something to be jealous of. I only wish I was off the grid.

its all 100% PORK

thanks Comrade Pelosi, but the Chairman Obama is in charge now

Economic health is based on the amount of money that is in flow. Hoarding the money doesn't help the economy, which is one reason why the first half of the bail out money failed. Banks got the money and did nothing with it. Congress decided that sending money directly to corporations would be the way to save the economy, well, apparently, that was a bad idea. How about, instead, the government send each person over the age of 18 a check for $50,000 and tell them to spend it and hand over all receipts to the government to prove that it was spent. Save your paychecks, spend the $50k. Any money left over after 12 months is returned to the government. The government also puts in a wage freeze and a firing freeze as well as a price ceiling (prices can't go up, but they can go down). There is also a price tax freeze. Let the citizens vote, using that money, on which companies stay afloat, and which ones die. The deals the businesses would be offering to get you spend your money with them would be incredible.

Now, their, of course, are those who wouldn't need that money, and they, naturally, wouldn't get that money. Steve Jobs, for example, has enough money that he won't need a $50k check to stimulate the economy. Paris Hilton, Brad Pitt, the President and all of Congress would do without, since they make more money than the average citizen does. Base who gets a $50k check on tax returns. Pay taxes, make below $150k/year, get a check.

/couldn't do any worse than the current Bailout plan

Wait

I am at the bottom of the list?

Move me up, I want the top spot..........

Lt. Cheese Weasel: GodsTumor: WTF no Dubya last speech thread?

It over here. (new window)

That's the 23%ers farewell song for W "never gonna give you up..."

unyon: FTFY. All the dollars in the world won't help you in an inflationary environment. But they still beat the hell out of holding debt, I suppose.

I was being very, very sarcastic.

9% of the annual budget goes to pay interest on the national debt. That will be going up.