Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

The schadenfreude is sweet, like candy.

free speech zones are perhaps the most ridiculous concept ever created. the free speech zone should be shaped like, and roughly sized equally to the united states of america. this is one of those retarded orwellian bush inventions that are now going to fark the republicans in the ass for the next few years. pucker up buttercup.

Sorry, Michelle, I'm afraid I can't really decide how I feel about this until Joe the Plumber weighs in.

I thought that's how it's done now.

So you change the rules years ago, and now it's a problem?

thomps: free speech zones are perhaps the most ridiculous concept ever created. the free speech zone should be shaped like, and roughly sized equally to the united states of america. this is one of those retarded orwellian bush inventions that are now going to fark the republicans in the ass for the next few years. pucker up buttercup.


I think they're completely ridiculous myself, but they are not a "Bush invention"...

Blues_X: Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

The schadenfreude is sweet, like candy.

It is pretty sweet, but unfortunately, the people who are crying foul are too stupid to realize that that's what they had been doing for the last 8 years or so. The idea of a 'free speech zone' should be done away with altogether, provided it doesn't cause rioting or something of that nature.

kronicfeld: Sorry, Michelle, I'm afraid I can't really decide how I feel about this until Joe the Plumber weighs in.

Yes-we need some of his hard-hitting "average" thinking.

keylock71: I think they're completely ridiculous myself, but they are not a "Bush invention"...

yeah they go back a ways, especially in notably contentious events such as WTO conventions, but bush is the first president (correct me if i'm wrong) to set them up at just about every one of his appearances. he's like the elvis of free speech zones - no he didn't invent it, but it wouldn't be so ubiquitous without him.

keylock71: thomps: free speech zones are perhaps the most ridiculous concept ever created. the free speech zone should be shaped like, and roughly sized equally to the united states of america. this is one of those retarded orwellian bush inventions that are now going to fark the republicans in the ass for the next few years. pucker up buttercup.


I think they're completely ridiculous myself, but they are not a "Bush invention"...

The university where I went to law school had a "free speech zone," and that pre-dated the Bush years. Granted, it was a private university, so there's really not a FA issue with it, strictly speaking.

FTA: "Most of this new federal funding will be to deal with the huge influx of people, estimated 1.5 million to 2 million."

So what's the problem here?

Christ, she's an idiot.

thomps: keylock71: I think they're completely ridiculous myself, but they are not a "Bush invention"...

yeah they go back a ways, especially in notably contentious events such as WTO conventions, but bush is the first president (correct me if i'm wrong) to set them up at just about every one of his appearances. he's like the elvis of free speech zones - no he didn't invent it, but it wouldn't be so ubiquitous without him.

I especially loved reading the comments in there; and thinking about to Bush speeches where people were kicked out just for wearing "Protect Free Speech" / "Protect Civil Rights" shirts, and suddenly these retards jumped the other side of the fence without realizing it.

I don't recall her being mad when the Republicans did worse at the RNC in Minneapolis. Oh right, it isn't wrong when Repubs do it.

Malkin is simply employing the Rovian technique: paint your adversary with the taint of your own worst attributes. In Malkin/Roveland, liberals are fascists who seek to limit freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution, atheists are trying to force their religion on children, environmentalists are destroying the American landscape and Obama is an elitist.

And the NeoCons lap it up because they are obsessed with believing they have "inside knowledge" that contradicts conventional wisdom. Rove is, in fact, an evil genius.

i can haz malkin free zone?

Blues_X: Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

The schadenfreude is sweet, like candy.

Which either shows I don't get comedy, or you're just as bad as the people you despise.

Artmageddon: The idea of a 'free speech zone' should be done away with altogether, provided it doesn't cause rioting or something of that nature.

I am absolutely 100% in favor of this.

Blues_X: Artmageddon: The idea of a 'free speech zone' should be done away with altogether, provided it doesn't cause rioting or something of that nature.

I am absolutely 100% in favor of this.

why are you two so against free speech?

thomps: keylock71: I think they're completely ridiculous myself, but they are not a "Bush invention"...

yeah they go back a ways, especially in notably contentious events such as WTO conventions, but bush is the first president (correct me if i'm wrong) to set them up at just about every one of his appearances. he's like the elvis of free speech zones - no he didn't invent it, but it wouldn't be so ubiquitous without him.

No argument there... The Bush Administration was quite adept at keeping George from seeing anything but adoring supporters waving flags. Unfortunately, it's one of the few things they were adept at.

Nabb1:
The university where I went to law school had a "free speech zone," and that pre-dated the Bush years. Granted, it was a private university, so there's really not a FA issue with it, strictly speaking.

It's an interesting discussion, no doubt. Where does the right to free speech and assembly end? If one is being disruptive to the point that they are hindering others' ability to hear a speaker or the speaker's ability to deliver the speech, I can understand said person(s) being removed from the area where the speech is taking place, but obviously, if they are just wearing a t-shirt or holding a sign with a protest on it, or (my personal favorite) standing with their back turned to the speaker, then they should be allowed to remain unhindered.

For the record, I went to a state university (UMass Amherst) and protests usually broke out at the drop of a hat. They bred hippies in the basement of the Science building, I think.

Hell, I remember a guy went on a hunger strike to protest the university calling their sports teams The Minutemen because it celebrated rich, white slave-owners... blah blah blah.

Starvin' Marvin was what most of the student body referred to him as.

Since when has FSU been "liberal"?

3Horn

keylock71: thomps:
Hell, I remember a guy went on a hunger strike to protest the university calling their sports teams The Minutemen because it celebrated rich, white slave-owners... blah blah blah.

Starvin' Marvin was what most of the student body referred to him as.

Better than "meat tosser" I suppose.

We're not gonna protest!

3Horn

I find that I have similar views to those of Mr. Ayers. I won't ever bomb him, but I'm not going to condemn any of my friends who would or do.

According to Wikipedia:

In 2007, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education released a survey of 346 colleges and Universities in the United States.[37] Of those institutions, 259 (75%) maintain policies that "both clearly and substantially restrict freedom of speech."

In December 2005, the College Libertarians at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro staged a protest outside the University's designated protest zones. The specific intent of the protest was to provoke just such a charge, in order to "provoke the system into action into a critical review of what's going on."[38] Two students, Allison Jaynes and Robert Sinnott, were brought up on charges under the student code of conduct of "violation of respect",[39] for refusing to move when told to do so by a university official.[38] The university subsequently dropped honor code charges against the students.[38] "University officials said the history of the free-speech zones is not known. 'It predated just about everybody here," said Lucien 'Skip' Capone III, the university attorney. The policy may be a holdover from the Vietnam War and civil rights era, he said.'"[38]

A number of colleges and universities have revised or revoked free speech zone policies in the last decade, including: Tufts University,[40] Appalachian State University,[40] and West Virginia University.[40][41] In August, 2006, Penn State University revised its seven year old rules restricting the rights of students to protest. "In effect, the whole campus is now a 'free-speech zone.'"[42]
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In my opinion, these free speech zones should be entirely eliminated. I wouldn't support allowing protesters to shout down a speaker, but I would defend anyone's right to picket outside the entrance to a hall, to bring signs into the hall and to participate respectfully in any question and answer session, such as happened at the end of the Ayers' speech.

Interestingly, Ayers defended the protesters rights. A different article, Ayers speaks to a full house said:

Ayers shook his head in dismay when informed prior to taking the stage about the signs taped to the ballroom doors. They read: "This is a (sic) educational forum; disturbances will not be tolerated."

Said Ayers, "That doesn't seem right. I'm the type who would be protesting inside precisely because they said you couldn't be protesting inside."


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I prefer to call them the STFU & GBTW zones.

notmtwain: Interestingly, Ayers defended the protesters rights. A different article, Ayers speaks to a full house said:

Ayers shook his head in dismay when informed prior to taking the stage about the signs taped to the ballroom doors. They read: "This is a (sic) educational forum; disturbances will not be tolerated."

Said Ayers, "That doesn't seem right. I'm the type who would be protesting inside precisely because they said you couldn't be protesting inside."

I think it's nice that Bill Ayers and Michelle Malkin are in such strong agreement with each other.

(joining hands and singing kumbaya can't too far behind)

3horn: keylock71: thomps:
Hell, I remember a guy went on a hunger strike to protest the university calling their sports teams The Minutemen because it celebrated rich, white slave-owners... blah blah blah.

Starvin' Marvin was what most of the student body referred to him as.

Better than "meat tosser" I suppose.

We're not gonna protest!

3Horn

That's from a movie, right? PCU?


/Always loved when the Minutemen (right-wing student group) and the LBGA got together and screamed at each other for an hour or so...

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I think it's nice that Bill Ayers and Michelle Malkin are in such strong agreement with each other.

(joining hands and singing kumbaya can't too far behind)

I'm sure their children will be beautiful.

thomps: Blues_X: Artmageddon: The idea of a 'free speech zone' should be done away with altogether, provided it doesn't cause rioting or something of that nature.

I am absolutely 100% in favor of this.

why are you two so against free speech?

I almost didn't detect your sarcasm, but it's really because I'm running on only a few hours of sleep ;)

Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

When do universities ever support speech that isn't racist, anti-American liberal Bullshiat?

What would happen if the protesters refused to move? What law would they have broken?

Artmageddon: I almost didn't detect your sarcasm, but it's really because I'm running on only a few hours of sleep ;)

ha, sorry about that - i really need to start working more with emoticons or at least slashies.

BobtheFascist: I prefer to call them the STFU & GBTW zones.

Nice.

Nemo's Brother: When do universities ever support speech that isn't racist, anti-American liberal Bullshiat?

i'm not sure that you thought that statement through.
i'm not sure that i'm surprised.

1derful: What would happen if the protesters refused to move? What law would they have broken?

The law of gravity from not falling over after getting tased 11 times.

Suddenly FSU feels like Boston during the DNC.

/does not approve

This is like when Sam Donaldson was standing next to Jimmy Carter next to a pit of manure and asked "If I fell in, you'd pull me out, wouldn't you, Mr. President?"

Carter's reply: "Certainly... after a suitable interval."

Artmageddon: but unfortunately, the people who are crying foul are too stupid to realize that that's what they had been doing for the last 8 years or so

Actually, the stupid ones would the people who think they were invented during the bush era.

Nemo's Brother: Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

When do universities ever support speech that isn't racist, anti-American liberal Bullshiat?

All the time?

Ah, the "free speech zone".

Barry's buddy gets to vomit his filth by invitation, and those who wish to vocally oppose him are pushed away.

I wonder if Ann Coutler or any other conservative would get such kiss ass treatment at a university sponsored speech. I mean she hasn't blown up any bombs or anything.

Liberal free speech is funny. Ask the Alabama group getting slammed for wearing authentic southern dress at PEBO's coronation, or the high school band who are not allowed to wear their school emblem because someone might find it 'offensive'.

Whamdangler: Yeah, it sucks when it happens to you, doesn't it.

Done in one.

When I hear the phrase "free speech zone" I reach for my revolver.

3horn: Since when has FSU been "liberal"?

3Horn

/thread

Nemo's Brother is a troll. Do not respond. I hate having to see his posts because you got reeled in.

I mean, how could you think he was otherwise?

Which of these things is not like the other: Racist, Anti-American, Liberal

OldManDownDRoad: When I hear the phrase "free speech zone" I reach for my revolver.

You gotta do that in a gun rights zone, sorry.

Nemo's Brother: When do universities ever support speech that isn't racist, anti-American liberal Bullshiat?

Where did you go to college?

thomps: this is one of those retarded orwellian bush inventions....

Oh for fark's sake...

absoluteparanoia: I mean, how could you think he was otherwise?

Half the country apparently still agrees with him, seeing as how Sarah Palin is still considered an important Future of The Republican Party...

Free Speech Zones are like the kids table at Thanksgiving. If you act like a responsible adult, you don't have to sit there.

Look Betty, don't start up with your white zone shiat again. There's just no stopping in a white zone.

ohh right wing douchebags suddenly concerned about this huh? that's the ironic part I'm assuming?