Odd that they just suddenly turned up after the new Congress seems to express no great desire to investigate, and Obama seems to want to put all this behind us as well.

Very strange how things just suddenly turn up.

I'm working on the Bush Presidential Library system for the National Archives, so I'm getting a kick.

/ya rly

zymurgist: I'm working on the Bush Presidential Library system for the National Archives, so I'm getting a kick.

/ya rly

Oracle?

Would these be the same e-mails they swore on a stack of bibles to a federal judge were irretrievably lost?

And isn't ti strange that both assertions (that the emails were lost and that the emails were found) were made for the same purpose-that is, to convince a judge to dismiss a lawsuit requirng their disclosure?

Now we know where Paul Bremer lost that $9 billion. He fell for a Nigerian email scam.

No wonder they couldn't find them before, they were on backup tapes. Who would think to look there for lost information?

I'm with Anne Weisman.

Obama won. Get over it.

And people say that Bush was bad for the economy. He single-handedly revived the records retrieval and forensic computing industries!

Diogenes: Oracle?

Excel.

zymurgist: I'm working on the Bush Presidential Library system for the National Archives, so I'm getting a kick.

/ya rly

Really? One of my professors this semester is working at setting up the archives at the Bush Pres. Library.

As I understand it, she's very tired of the "Two coloring books and a copy of 'My Pet Goat'" jokes.

fosborb: Diogenes: Oracle?

Excel.

notepad

/noob
JC

Bush can send email?? that's news to me.

saintstryfe: As I understand it, she's very tired of the "Two coloring books and a copy of 'My Pet Goat'" jokes.

Tell her not to dog-ear the comic books.

Linux_Yes: Bush can send email?? that's news to me.

Someone else writes it. They let him click the "send" button so he feels involved.

JoeCowboy: fosborb: Diogenes: Oracle?

Excel.

notepad

/noob
JC

pink construction paper, markers and glitter!!!!

LOLWORDPAD

Katsu: JoeCowboy: fosborb: Diogenes: Oracle?

Excel.

notepad

/noob
JC

pink construction paper, markers and glitter!!!!

Geez. You'd think they'd at least splurge on some elbow macaroni.

IXI Jim IXI: saintstryfe: As I understand it, she's very tired of the "Two coloring books and a copy of 'My Pet Goat'" jokes.

Tell her not to dog-ear the comic books.

No shiat. Bags and Boards. Do that shiat right.

Diogenes:
Geez. You'd think they'd at least splurge on some elbow macaroni.

Too sharp

FTFA Hong said private contractors had helped find the e-mails by searching through an estimated 60,000 tapes that contain daily recordings of the entire contents of the White House computers as a precaution against an electronic disaster

Why not just archive the 60,000 tapes?

chromeburn
Diogenes:
Geez. You'd think they'd at least splurge on some elbow macaroni.

Too sharp

You're going to piss off Moses talking like that.

So what your trying to tell me is:

All those e-mails and backups were "somehow" lost(if I lost 1 backup tape I would probably get fired). And now all those records and tapes have suddenly reappeared without IT knowing how they left or returned? Riiiiiiiight.



I can't wait for some young people to make it to Congress. It is obvious not ONE Representative or Senator knows how technology works.

RockyMtnMan:
I can't wait for some young people to make it to Congress. It is obvious not ONE Representative or Senator knows how technology works.

At least the quality of porn on their servers would increase.

Don't use the Mexican Rogaine. It's a bad trip.

RockyMtnMan: I can't wait for some young people to make it to Congress. It is obvious not ONE Representative or Senator knows how technology works.

Which is why we have fights over DRM, Net Neutrality, filesharing, this crap here, Ted Stevens as the head of the Technology Committee, KS' bid to remove/bar new gaming serves from being located in or accessed from the state (but that's not a federal issue), and a general lag of 5-10 years in Congress acting or re-acting to technological trends.

One techno-geek in a position of power (like Reid's or Pelosi's or Cardin's or Obama's positions) could do really really good or really really bad things.

// vote Torvalds!!

More from The National Security Archive

Linux_Yes: Bush can send email?? that's news to me.



Mac user...

Dr Dreidel: RockyMtnMan: I can't wait for some young people to make it to Congress. It is obvious not ONE Representative or Senator knows how technology works ... and a general lag of 5-10 years in Congress acting or re-acting to technological trends.

We actually did at one point have a few techno-aware (if not savvy) members of Congress. Al Gore was 5-10 years ahead of the curve when it came to the Internet. Gingrich was there too, but not as active in a technological sense.

Hey you can get a criminal justice degree online, then get a job with BART and murder people handcuffed on the ground.

/ totally off topic but still, that's scary, a criminal justice degree online? WTF?

Problem solved! It looks like they just all accidentally went into Cheney's porn folder.

IXI Jim IXI: Problem solved! It looks like they just all accidentally went into Cheney's porn folder.

/shudder

Elmo Jones: IXI Jim IXI: Problem solved! It looks like they just all accidentally went into Cheney's porn folder.

/shudder

BIG PICTURES OF LUGERS.

I'd like to personally thank the genius who solved this problem.

It looked like there was no possible way out of this quandary- no way to recover those e-mails.

To come up with a plan as brilliant as "Check the Backup Tapes" requires true insight and vision.

That it only took four years to solve this enigma is a truly remarkable feat.

Congratulations, and the nation is in your debt.

AntiNerd: Al Gore was 5-10 years ahead of the curve when it came to invented the Internet.


/i keed

Linux_Yes: Bush can send email?? that's news to me.

Yes, yes he can. It's Clinton who never figured it out.

DoWhatNowToWhat: FTFA Hong said private contractors had helped find the e-mails by searching through an estimated 60,000 tapes that contain daily recordings of the entire contents of the White House computers as a precaution against an electronic disaster

Why not just archive the 60,000 tapes?

Do you realize how much physical space 60,000 tapes must consume? It could be the NA doesn't want to be on the hook for the millions it'll cost to keep, maintain, and keep accessible 1,000's of duplicate copies of the same damn data files they mostly already have in other media anyway.


RockyMtnMan : So what your trying to tell me is:

All those e-mails and backups were "somehow" lost(if I lost 1 backup tape I would probably get fired). And now all those records and tapes have suddenly reappeared without IT knowing how they left or returned? Riiiiiiiight.

A succinct explanation of how KOS views what actually happened. However, since this article tells us how IT contracted out the task of reconstructing the eMails in question, it's kinda hard to believe that IT doesn't know "how they returned". Good work.

"I'll believe it when I see it." She noted that officials have not described the procedures used to recover the emails and that she hoped their results could be verified by an independent expert. Anne Weisman, the counsel for one of those groups, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, responded to the Justice Department announcement.

/not finding the emails will be a disappointment, much like not finding WMD in Iraq. No wrong doing, just a disappointment.

bmasso: Do you realize how much physical space 60,000 tapes must consume? It could be the NA doesn't want to be on the hook for the millions it'll cost to keep, maintain, and keep accessible 1,000's of duplicate copies of the same damn data files they mostly already have in other media anyway.

They have already paid a group $10 Million to go in there and search for the e-mails. They have paid 10 times that amount in paper shredding services.

Better question is how do you claim to loose 60,000 tapes?

I don't think the solution is to get a technologically-informed legislator. That might make things worse, since he may be paid off to say incorrect things with his authority.

The solution is to have some kind of "Independent Government IT Office" which has geek staff not bound by the politicians' gentlemen's agreements. (I mean "Independent" in the sense of no political contact.)

CurvedGirdle: ...Independent Government IT Office...

Actually, can someone tell me how Freedom of Information works? I'm guessing that's also free of political interference.

DoWhatNowToWhat: Better question is how do you claim to lose 60,000 tapes?

You really have to feel around the bottom if you have one of these.

CurvedGirdle: The solution is to have some kind of "Independent Government IT Office" which has geek staff not bound by the politicians' gentlemen's agreements. (I mean "Independent" in the sense of no political contact.)

Obama wants to create an Executive branch CTO. I assume the CTO's office would be staffed under the same Federal rules that (is supposed to) restrict partisanship in most of the rest of the government bureaucracy.

Looks like these crooked bastards are going to get away with everything. Why am I paying taxes again?

/oh, yeah, because I'll go to jail if I don't.

DoWhatNowToWhat: bmasso: Do you realize how much physical space 60,000 tapes must consume? It could be the NA doesn't want to be on the hook for the millions it'll cost to keep, maintain, and keep accessible 1,000's of duplicate copies of the same damn data files they mostly already have in other media anyway.

They have already paid a group $10 Million to go in there and search for the e-mails. They have paid 10 times that amount in paper shredding services.

Better question is how do you claim to loose 60,000 tapes?

Ummm, they never claimed that.
The law requires them to separately archive accessible copies of eMail docs before clearing out the active copies, and that wasn't done. Or at least, that wasn't done correctly. There was no process to confirm successful archiving, and when they got around to trying to actually use them there were holes in the target of 100% archiving.

Think Nixon's missing 14 minutes of tape, except from the available evidence the loss was accidental instead of deliberate. That didn't stop the tin-hat speculation, but I never bought into that knowing that both the regular full-blown backups (these tapes) and copies of eMails from non-Whitehouse servers would have had to be wiped for a successful erasure.

The 60,000 tapes were the daily/etc. backups of EVERYTHING, were generated separately, were meant to rebuild EVERYTHING, and were always available to reconstruct the un-archived eMails. However they required special effort to extract just the missing eMails.

chromeburn: Diogenes:
Geez. You'd think they'd at least splurge on some elbow macaroni.

Too sharp

Choking hazard.

bmasso: The 60,000 tapes were the daily/etc. backups of EVERYTHING, were generated separately, were meant to rebuild EVERYTHING, and were always available to reconstruct the un-archived eMails. However they required special effort to extract just the missing eMails.

Beating a dead horse. Sorry. They were required to do so from the beginning and didn't preserve the e-mails. It is note worthy they do not care about any law, no matter how small.

You are absolutly correct it could be all moot and heresay for there to be anything criminal contained in the e-mails. We just don't know and relying on someone who lied us into a war (no WMD) isn't going to settle peoples minds.

Diogenes: zymurgist: I'm working on the Bush Presidential Library system for the National Archives, so I'm getting a kick.

/ya rly

Oracle?

Lockheed Martin

saintstryfe: zymurgist: I'm working on the Bush Presidential Library system for the National Archives, so I'm getting a kick.

/ya rly

Really? One of my professors this semester is working at setting up the archives at the Bush Pres. Library.

As I understand it, she's very tired of the "Two coloring books and a copy of 'My Pet Goat'" jokes.

Heh. I bet she gets that a lot. And I bet that it got old quickly.

"Amateurs"