You can learn a lot about how not to do lots of things by studying George W. Bush. You can learn even more by studying the people who still insist on supporting him.

I don't think we needed Bob Woodward to figure that one out.

So just what exactly makes Woodward think he knows what it takes to be a President? Kind of funny now that BO is starting to see things from the perspective of the Big Chair, his positions are slipping slightly to that of Bush. I don't blame him, I don't make fun of him for sliding that way; I do think his supporters who still insist upon flinging Venom Bush's way are funny as hell. The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

CanisNoir: Kind of funny now that BO is starting to see things from the perspective of the Big Chair, his positions are slipping slightly to that of Bush.

It's been said for a while, by many people, that BO was going to be more in the center. To say that his positions are heading to that of Bush is just misleading.

Tell you what though, if we get a headline in the next few months exposing BO for lacking the ability to chew pretzels, I'll buy what you're selling.

CanisNoir: So just what exactly makes Woodward think he knows what it takes to be a President?

Might be the fact that he had unfettered access to the Bush White House for all eight years and got to see first hand the disasters of the White House as they unfolded.

RoxtarRyan

Tell you what though, if we get a headline in the next few months exposing BO for lacking the ability to chew pretzels, I'll buy what you're selling.


Wow, big gun you have there. Pretzels are tough, but I hear stairs are tougher. I wonder if BO will be able to handle stairs as well as Bubba did?

CanisNoir: The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

It will take decades to recover from it.

friendinpa: Wow, big gun you have there. Pretzels are tough, but I hear stairs are tougher. I wonder if BO will be able to handle stairs as well as Bubba did?

Lets start with the basics... while stairs are nice, being able to effectively feed yourself should be a higher priority.

Code_Archeologist: Might be the fact that he had unfettered access to the Bush White House for all eight years and got to see first hand the disasters of the White House as they unfolded. Has a political bias and hopes to sell future books.

FTFY

CanisNoir: Has a political bias and hopes to sell future books.

I can't imagine why a man who revealed one of the biggest abuses of executive power in the US government might possibly have a political bias against Presidents who abuse their power.

For a real-life opportunity to witness my second point in action, please review a few of the posts in this thread. The quiz portion of this morning's instruction involves deciding which ones apply.

RoxtarRyan
Lets start with the basics... while stairs are nice, being able to effectively feed yourself should be a higher priority.


Right, you have never had some water, or food go down the wrong pipe? Ever?

Pop quiz for you kid rock. Which would you say is a bigger dumbass move?

Accidentally choking on a pretzel?

or

Getting shiatfaced and falling down the stairs at your buddies beachhouse resulting in a wrecked knee and surgery?

You should be embarrassed that with Bush's extensive record of gaffes and utter idiocy the best you can come up with is a pretzel joke.

friendinpa

Huh... never knew there were people who still liked the guy. Thanks for outing yourself though, don't forget your door prize.

(hint: it's a feeding tube)

CanisNoir: Code_Archeologist: Might be the fact that he had unfettered access to the Bush White House for all eight years and got to see first hand the disasters of the White House as they unfolded. Has a political bias and hopes to sell future books.

FTFY

You must be a 28%er... Woodward was very balanced in the four books that he wrote on the Bush administration. He was even considered a supporter of the Bush administration by most till his 2006 book State of Denial came out and started revealing the chaos within the White House and the mismanagement of Iraq that came from the top.

friendinpa: RoxtarRyan
Lets start with the basics... while stairs are nice, being able to effectively feed yourself should be a higher priority.


Right, you have never had some water, or food go down the wrong pipe? Ever?

Pop quiz for you kid rock. Which would you say is a bigger dumbass move?

Accidentally choking on a pretzel?

or

Getting shiatfaced and falling down the stairs at your buddies beachhouse resulting in a wrecked knee and surgery?



definitely choking on a pretzel. I forgot about the Clinton thing til now but whenever I see a pretzel I giggle a bit.

Yes, pull a George Costanza and do the exact opposite of anything Bush would do.

CanisNoir: So just what exactly makes Woodward think he knows what it takes to be a President?

He spent a lot of time watching a presidency go down the tubes. He may have some insights.

CanisNoir: Kind of funny now that BO is starting to see things from the perspective of the Big Chair, his positions are slipping slightly to that of Bush. I don't blame him, I don't make fun of him for sliding that way; I do think his supporters who still insist upon flinging Venom Bush's way are funny as hell. The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

This is pure insipidness, unrelated to the article, unrelated to the thread preceding your post, and of questionable meaning. Sliding that way.

Fun-eee.

To Summarize:
The Lesson of the Bush Adminstartion.

Don't grease your head with wishful thinking so you can store it up your ass and stay protected from unpleasant information.

CanisNoir: The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

We are holding a pathetic man accountable for his actions, and we have hope that our new president will act for our nation with more thought and conscious then the last one.

But go on posting your silly little pictures. Go on saying we should "get over" a man who has done immense damage to our country that we love. Continue to mock us. Revel in every challenge Obama faces.

And we will continue to ignore your whining and go about fixing this nation we love so dearly. You don't matter anymore; you ideas are obsolete. Enjoy obscurity.

Pocket Ninja: For a real-life opportunity to witness my second point in action, please review a few of the posts in this thread. The quiz portion of this morning's instruction involves deciding which ones apply.

CanisNoir 2009-01-15 08:27:50 AM
friendinpa 2009-01-15 08:58:24 AM
CanisNoir 2009-01-15 09:07:23 AM
friendinpa 2009-01-15 09:16:49 AM

Do I win anything?

vartian: CanisNoir: The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

We are holding a pathetic man accountable for his actions, and we have hope that our new president will act for our nation with more thought and conscious then the last one.

But go on posting your silly little pictures. Go on saying we should "get over" a man who has done immense damage to our country that we love. Continue to mock us. Revel in every challenge Obama faces.

And we will continue to ignore your whining and go about fixing this nation we love so dearly. You don't matter anymore; you ideas are obsolete. Enjoy obscurity.

Well you fell for his post. Who and in what context is he addressing? There's nothing in the article about the attitude he cites. Nothing preceding in the thread about the attitude he cites.

It's a strawman painted red to troll reactionaries. Cutesy bullshiat.

CanisNoir: Kind of funny now that BO is starting to see things from the perspective of the Big Chair, his positions are slipping slightly to that of Bush. I don't blame him, I don't make fun of him for sliding that way; I do think his supporters who still insist upon flinging Venom Bush's way are funny as hell.

you're right!

Hell, by inauguration, Obama will be appointing idiots to head FEMA while ignoring domestic disasters because they fall on a political friend's birthday. By June, he'll probably be invading sovereign countries with questionable built up intelligence and setting up illegal prisons on military bases in foreign countries.

Or, you could be repeating whatever drivel you heard from the right-wing echo chamber and suddenly it has become the truth.

(Instead of consulting his own father, former president George H.W. Bush, who had gone to war in 1991 to kick the Iraqi army out of Kuwait, the younger Bush told me that he had appealed to a "higher father" for strength.)

Ward Cleaver? Al Bundy?

Couldn't have been god. Unless god really hates Bush.

I learned from Bush that the urge to urinate can be expressed in the form of a question.

Yay a pretzel and stair threadjack....

AmIdonigitright?

On what exact date did GWB go from President Bush to King George?
Ya just had to sense that GWB was kept isolated from any kind of dissenting opinion, righteously decided the war was righteous, cheered on by Cheney's hawk brigade, and remained stubbornly unable to see things weren't going as planned. And we already knew this.

5 days left. I actually feel a little sorry for King George. A lovely parting gift for him would be the actual capture of OBL within the next 5 days. Seriously. That would be great.

HotWingConspiracy: Couldn't have been god. Unless god really hates Bush.

In that context, God is only a convenient way to sell a stupid plan to a credulous populace. It's likely that Bush's devotion to God stems directly from the results he can get by merely invoking His name.

"God said we should do what?!?! Well, he does work in mysterious ways..."

slowhand123: 5 days left. I actually feel a little sorry for King George. A lovely parting gift for him would be the actual capture of OBL within the next 5 days. Seriously. That would be great.

For all we know, OBL could be dead. Probably due to kidney disease. Since all that gets delivered anymore is audio tapes... it seems kinda fishy.

CanisNoir: So just what exactly makes Woodward think he knows what it takes to be a President? Kind of funny now that BO is starting to see things from the perspective of the Big Chair, his positions are slipping slightly to that of Bush. I don't blame him, I don't make fun of him for sliding that way; I do think his supporters who still insist upon flinging Venom Bush's way are funny as hell. The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

What's funniest about the stupid demotivational poster you put into your post was that Obama's BRAAAAINNNNSSSS are just what attracted many to him in the first place. Having a very intelligent constitutional scholar as the president gives a lot of people a warm and fuzzy feeling after 8 years of idiocy and malaprops.

DamnYankees: I don't think we needed Bob Woodward to figure that one out.

Seriously, I read all ten of these and thought...how is it that we can possibly elect a president who didn't already know all these things? What a clusterfark.

Ok, I know this is the "laugh at the failure" thread, but I have a serious question:

Does the election of Obama indicate a return to electing well spoked, intelligent people to the office of president? Or is this a one off fluke?

dodecahedron: DamnYankees: I don't think we needed Bob Woodward to figure that one out.

Seriously, I read all ten of these and thought...how is it that we can possibly elect a president who didn't already know all these things? What a clusterfark.

It's all basic management stuff too. I guess this was just a continuation of George's failures as a private sector CEO.

FYI, Canis, 8:30 is too damn early in the morning for full-fledged threadshiattery.

Occam's Chainsaw: FYI, Canis, 8:30 is too damn early in the morning for full-fledged threadshiattery.

But he has to work it full time or he doesn't get paid.

Zafler: Ok, I know this is the "laugh at the failure" thread, but I have a serious question:

Does the election of Obama indicate a return to electing well spoked, intelligent people to the office of president? Or is this a one off fluke?

I think the election of Bush was more the one off fluke. Take a folksy guy with some home spun appeal and a very familiar name, cover up or gloss over his incredible failings early in life, get an absolute political genius to craft a strategy to get him elected by leaning HEAVILY on the religious right (which is neither) and their fear of gays, get 2 weak assed candidates with weak campaigns to run against him, and in the second election have the war and security fears to drive people to vote for him.

Obama ain't losing to Palin in 2012 if she runs, although another folksy type person might get a nomination in the future.

Zafler: Does the election of Obama indicate a return to electing well spoked, intelligent people to the office of president? Or is this a one off fluke?

I guess it depends on how hard the GOP implodes over the next four years.

If the economy hasn't rebounded to mid-1990s levels and there is still one guy in Iraq, I'm sure it will be spun that Obama has failed in his presidency. Paving the way for President Palin.

Bob Woodward says Barack Obama can learn a lot about how not to be president by studying George W. Bush Richard M. Nixon

RoxtarRyan
Huh... never knew there were people who still liked the guy. Thanks for outing yourself though, don't forget your door prize.


Outing myself?

It is not that I like what Bush has done, I don't. Thing is that I dislike unimaginative folks who only pick the low hanging fruit. Doesn't matter if it is Clinton's beej, W's pretzel, H.W.'s vomit or Ford's falling. All of those jokes have been done to death. I am equally tired of the dogmatic "Hrrrr Hrrrr, you don't agree with me you love Bush" idiocy that seems to be passing for a comeback lately. It is just weak and more than a little annoying.

(Hint: If you are going to label yourself a smartass, it helps to be smart otherwise the equation fails.)

Mercutio74: dodecahedron: DamnYankees: I don't think we needed Bob Woodward to figure that one out.

Seriously, I read all ten of these and thought...how is it that we can possibly elect a president who didn't already know all these things? What a clusterfark.

It's all basic management stuff too. I guess this was just a continuation of George's failures as a private sector CEO.

Exactly. All of this also makes his posturing as The Decider™ truly laughable, as if he thinks that's his only real responsibility: delegate until it's time to make a decision, then figure out how to dumb down the issue so you can make the decision the simplest way you know how before you head off to play golf, watch a movie or hit the gym. And we had so many warning signs that this is the way he ran companies into the ground and "governed" Texas.

Boxingoutsider

HMMM, you may be right. It just seems that most of the presidents since I was born in '80 haven't exactly been brilliant. Clinton seems to have been one of the smarter ones, but his lack of self-control (and the hypocritical shiat-fit thrown over it) was really a bit of a let down.

Zafler: Does the election of Obama indicate a return to electing well spoked, intelligent people to the office of president? Or is this a one off fluke?

My inclination is, looking at the grassroots fund raising Obama enjoyed, that this might be a return to competence. Of course, this will really hinge on whether his presidency is a success or not.

Zafler 2009-01-15 09:51:29 AM
Does the election of Obama indicate a return to electing well spoked, intelligent people to the office of president? Or is this a one off fluke?

I'm hoping its a signal to the end of influence from neo-cons and christian conservatives to dictate US policy.

bulldg4life & Mercutio74

So, essentially, it's all riding on how well Obama's intelligence and mannerisms translate into a sucessful administration.

Or at least a competent one.

I guess my main irritant is that, more and more, idiocy and incompetency is not only being excused, but being encouraged from top to bottom in this country...and that really pisses me off apparently.

Lord_Baull

Yeah, re-strengthening the seperation of church and state would be marvelous.

RoxtarRyan

"Remember when I was all like, "Hey terrorists, bring it on!", and it let to more troops being killed? That was great, wasn't it? Or when I was all like, "Our country is all gonna die unless we invade some other country that has no relation to the other one we're already at war with"?

Those were good times. I do what I must for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead. But, there's no point in crying over every mistake, right?"

Thankfully Bush will not be allowed to keep on trying until he runs out of cake.

CanisNoir: The man leaves office in like five days - get over it already.

Agreed.
Have a relative who died serving in Iraq? Fark off, they died with honor anyways. Planning on traveling over seas? Screw those damn Euros, their opinion doesn't matter.
Economy bad? Sounds like a whiny little lib is just mad he can't afford his hourly smug injections.

friendinpa: Thing is that I dislike unimaginative folks who only pick the low hanging fruit.

If I was here to be your friend, I could see where that could be a problem. Of course, I'm not, so your opinion really doesn't shouldn't matter to me, now should it?

Also, if you're going to hate on folks who take the easy jabs, you might want to log off Fark, cause newsflash, this place is full of 'em. So, you could cry about it every time it happens, or just kinda STFU and put people who take jabs that you disagree with on 'ignore'.

Of course, that'd be the easy thing to do now, wouldn't it?

RoxtarRyan: I'm not, so your opinion really doesn't shouldn't matter to me, now should it?

Ouch... the pre-11am grammar nazi kicking in.

Zafler: But he has to work it full time or he doesn't get paid.

He's not a paid shill. #1, he doesn't turn it on all the time. #2, he chimes in on several very disparate subjects, occasionally in a non-partisan manner. #3, he participates in threads from which no employer could gain any sort of benefit.

So either he's the mother of all uber-trolls, or a True Believer. A proto-Weaver, if you will.

Zafler: bulldg4life & Mercutio74

So, essentially, it's all riding on how well Obama's intelligence and mannerisms translate into a sucessful administration.

Or at least a competent one.

I guess my main irritant is that, more and more, idiocy and incompetency is not only being excused, but being encouraged from top to bottom in this country...and that really pisses me off apparently.

I don't know if it's encouraged from top to bottom, though there is an annoying minority that keeps pushing that way of thinking. The one thing I find encouraging is how many people are now demanding accountability and not being satisfied when it's not forthcoming. I think greater transparency in government will be helpful. Though the biggest obstacle we do face is ignorance, clearly demonstrated by the kind of idiots who back dangerous nutjobs like Palin.