The link is broken.

Someone say House?

Is the busted link emblematic of America's erratic health care delivery system, or is subby just an ice water douche?

I LOL'd subby. Nice headline.

+1

Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

*crickets*

Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."



/Typical short term politician thinking.

Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

Funny how you start worrying about that now.

Call me back when they float a bill you can't finance by not buying 1,000 JDAMs, or skipping an F-22 or two.

Crosshair:
Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."
/Typical short term politician thinking.

They are going to enslave all the people who value individual liberty and create a super collective only capable of thinking as unity. Today you are liberty, but tomorrow we our freedom. Do not silence the voice of the many for the greed of the one. Thinking is garbage, understanding is recycling. Soon we shall be whole, soon we shall be complete, soon we shall be heaven. Obama is our king; Obama is our Queen; in unity he nurtures us; in divinity he unites us.

Do not doubt the perfection good friend- it is time to embrace your love, seek your heart, and join the only force powerful enough to guide your soul- humanity. We are humanity. We are love. We are one.

Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

*crickets*

Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."

/Typical short term politician thinking.

Create a time machine at Area 51, go back in time, and NOT go to war in Iraq.

I do my level best to not think of the repubs. They depress me. This is the party that says [most recently] that the minimum level of interference is absolutely sacred with respect to the conduct of rich businessmen no matter how shady their dealings, but if the police 'accidently' search a common prole, then that's a-ok.

/yes, I know the dumbocrats are the flip side of the same coin
//the repubs just do a better job of rubbing people's noses in their hypocrisy

Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

*crickets*

Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."

/Typical short term politician thinking.

Preventative care pays for itself. Cheap drugs/early diagnosis/etc can keep people from showing up in emergency rooms and occupying a bed for days or weeks.

But you probably favor not letting poor people into the emergency room in the first place.

Occam's Chainsaw: Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

Funny how you start worrying about that now.

Call me back when they float a bill you can't finance by not buying 1,000 JDAMs, or skipping an F-22 or two.

Not an answer. Excessive gov't spending is not justified by merely pointing out other excessive gov't spending.

Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

The same way we're going to pay for the current bailout of the "banks".

[ASININE] Congress jacks up moralizing "sin tax" on tobacco in order to toss money at an ill-designed, state-run health insurance program that they're planning to soon fold into a federal universal healthcare plan anyway.

phony01: Not an answer. Excessive gov't spending is not justified by merely pointing out other excessive gov't spending.

He asked how they intend to pay for it. I suggested cutting defense spending by several billion. How is this a non-answer?

sloppy shoes: Crosshair:
Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."
/Typical short term politician thinking.

They are going to enslave all the people who value individual liberty and create a super collective only capable of thinking as unity. Today you are liberty, but tomorrow we our freedom. Do not silence the voice of the many for the greed of the one. Thinking is garbage, understanding is recycling. Soon we shall be whole, soon we shall be complete, soon we shall be heaven. Obama is our king; Obama is our Queen; in unity he nurtures us; in divinity he unites us.

Do not doubt the perfection good friend- it is time to embrace your love, seek your heart, and join the only force powerful enough to guide your soul- humanity. We are humanity. We are love. We are one.

Your forgot to say "Resitance Is Futile!"

phony01: Occam's Chainsaw: Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

Funny how you start worrying about that now.

Call me back when they float a bill you can't finance by not buying 1,000 JDAMs, or skipping an F-22 or two.

Not an answer. Excessive gov't spending is not justified by merely pointing out other excessive gov't spending.

Well it's great to see republicans finally got their balls back and started asking questions about fiscal responsibility.

/Funny how it always takes a democratic president to bring it out of them, so brave!

sloppy shoes: Crosshair:
Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."
/Typical short term politician thinking.

They are going to enslave all the people who value individual liberty and create a super collective only capable of thinking as unity. Today you are liberty, but tomorrow we our freedom. Do not silence the voice of the many for the greed of the one. Thinking is garbage, understanding is recycling. Soon we shall be whole, soon we shall be complete, soon we shall be heaven. Obama is our king; Obama is our Queen; in unity he nurtures us; in divinity he unites us.

Do not doubt the perfection good friend- it is time to embrace your love, seek your heart, and join the only force powerful enough to guide your soul- humanity. We are humanity. We are love. We are one.

You know, I think I'm going to write a nice 12-string accompaniment for that and have my best man sing it at my wedding.

/we're having a clown-themed wedding.

Suck it kids.

Just because almost every gov't funded insurance plan becomes grossly overtaxed and quality declines overall for all persons in almost all cases doesn't mean that won't happen this time.

I'm so proud of the Democrats in Congress. Instead of shoving this down the Republicans' throats in 2007 when Bush tried to sabotage it and using it as a campaign issue in 2008, they wait until now and pat themselves on the back for being such great leaders.

Mrbogey: Just because almost every gov't funded insurance plan becomes grossly overtaxed and quality declines overall for all persons in almost all cases doesn't mean that won't happen this time.

[Citation needed]

Know what else would be really nice for health insurance? Banning pharmaceutical advertising. Television, newspapers, radio, billboards, internet ads. All of it. Just imagine how costs would plummet if all of a sudden there's no advertising to pay for in the pills you take. Not to mention the sudden lack of crappy advertising, which would lower my blood pressure, if no one elses.

Kit Carson: Care to examine the percentage of our budget that we spend on health care over defense?

You mean under defense, right?

Those kids are just gonna get sick more often so they can milk the system.

Awesome.

Now I can take my kids off my insurance, let Uncle Sam pick up the bill, and I can re-up Netflix.

GObama!

Healthcare for kids is generally pretty cheap, and prevention at an early age improves their overall health as they get older. Plus, if they get sick less, their parents miss less work and their productivity increases. Overall, probably a pretty good ROI.

bartink: Kit Carson: Care to examine the percentage of our budget that we spend on health care over defense?

You mean under defense, right?

If it's already being defended why do people keep talking about a crisis?

/kind of a stretch

Kit Carson: What was I thinking? I'm on Fark. I can just make shiat up. Dur.

Well you can always cite your source.

Occam's Chainsaw: Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

Funny how you start worrying about that now.

Call me back when they float a bill you can't finance by not buying 1,000 JDAMs, or skipping an F-22 or two.

Doesn't solve the debt problem.

I say start selling naming rights to national moments and buildings like they do with sporting venues. Tacky? yes, but I see no other feasible option.

Would you guys support SCHIP if it taxed your hobbies/enjoyments?

Ok. I almost never post but since I'm slightly drunk I feel the need to point this out.... Conservatives are NOT against helping people in need! We are against letting our tax dollars support those who are able yet unwilling to help themselves. Because of the people who cheat the system and the hopelessness of stopping it we are a bit jaded about "new" programs that people will exploit. I give to charities. I want to help people in need but I do NOT believe I should be forced to give what I work very hard for to support those who WILL NOT work hard. Yes, people in need deserve help. I do not believe I should be forced to help them if I do not want to. I did not vote for President Elect Obama because I do not believe in his politics. I believe he is an idealist who is diluting himself and his supporters. I very much hope he is everything people believe him to be but I am skeptical. I would like to go on about all the issues I have opinions about however, there are trolls out there that are going to pounce on me for this post alone and I don't think I will be awake long enough to have intelligent conversations about every opinion I hold and I would hate to think someone thought they had won an argument with me because I stopped responding because I went to bed....

/rant
//have always wanted to use slashies
///hated the (R) candidates to if that satisfies anyone

SynthLord: Awesome.

Now I can take my kids off my insurance, let Uncle Sam pick up the bill, and I can re-up Netflix.

GObama!

You've just described the thought process of millions of American families. The safety net has just become the safety standard.

Kit Carson: Call me back when they float a bill you can't finance by not buying 1,000 JDAMs, or skipping an F-22 or two.
Care to examine the percentage of our budget that we spend on health care over defense?
Why not?

In case you don't feel like loading the enormous jpeg, the 2007 Federal Discretionary Budget weighed in at $983b. Of that, $632b was defense spending, or ~64%.

Any other questions?

The_Sponge: Would you guys support SCHIP if it taxed your hobbies/enjoyments?

I'm kinda biased. My hobby is watching children suffer with easily treatable maladies.

Wat?

Hey Kitty, you can always provide a citation.

llamasarefunny: Ok. I almost never post but since I'm slightly drunk I feel the need to point this out.... Conservatives are NOT against helping people in need! We are against letting our tax dollars support those who are able yet unwilling to help themselves. Because of the people who cheat the system and the hopelessness of stopping it we are a bit jaded about "new" programs that people will exploit. I give to charities. I want to help people in need but I do NOT believe I should be forced to give what I work very hard for to support those who WILL NOT work hard. Yes, people in need deserve help. I do not believe I should be forced to help them if I do not want to. I did not vote for President Elect Obama because I do not believe in his politics. I believe he is an idealist who is diluting himself and his supporters. I very much hope he is everything people believe him to be but I am skeptical. I would like to go on about all the issues I have opinions about however, there are trolls out there that are going to pounce on me for this post alone and I don't think I will be awake long enough to have intelligent conversations about every opinion I hold and I would hate to think someone thought they had won an argument with me because I stopped responding because I went to bed....

/rant
//have always wanted to use slashies
///hated the (R) candidates to if that satisfies anyone


*Applause*

Back to the subject:

I know....let's pay for the SCHIP tax with a $3 tax on a six pack of beer. After all, it's for the children.

The_Sponge: I know....let's pay for the SCHIP tax with a $3 tax on a six pack of beerdiapers. After all, it's for the children.

FTFY. Have the problem pay for the solution.

Crosshair: Cool, so how are they going to pay for it?

*crickets*

Politician: "Um, Tobacco taxes. Yea, that's it. Tobacco taxes."



/Typical short term politician thinking.

Well Illinois seem to be doing just fine with its child health care program

bartink: Hey Kitty, you can always provide a citation.

Why? Do you think anyone would listen? LOL

Mrbogey: SynthLord: Awesome.

Now I can take my kids off my insurance, let Uncle Sam pick up the bill, and I can re-up Netflix.

GObama!

You've just described the thought process of millions of American families. The safety net has just become the safety standard.

Yeah, those stupid poor people just keep quitting their cushy jobs and giving themselves heart disease so they can bilk the system of an extra few grand before they die at 48. Good thing you guys saw through their sham and sounded the alarm on those parasites.

Occam's Chainsaw: The_Sponge: I know....let's pay for the SCHIP tax with a $3 tax on a six pack of beerdiapers. After all, it's for the children.

FTFY. Have the problem pay for the solution.


There you go. I'll be honest, I'm a cigar enthusiast, and I don't want to see any more taxes on my stogies. (After all, it's bad enough I can't light up indoors in my home state, but I digress.)

What do cigars have to do with the health of kids? Since soda and junk/fast food are making kids fat, why not tax those?

The_Sponge: I know....let's pay for the SCHIP tax with a $3 tax on a six pack of beer. After all, it's for the children.

Um... this is actually a great idea... it's like double dipping. When the people who scam to pay for beer with their quest (or whatever the hell it is now) buy beer they are actually RECYCLING tax dollars?!?!? Right? RIGHT? So.. this is a good plan! We have solved the United States poverty problem with beer! I knew Farkers could do it!

/wine has made me miss the point you say?
//NO!
///already addicted to slashies

You know what, Rug Doctor? Just because someone points out the economic concept of the "free-rider" doesn't mean that you have to make them out to be some sort of a murderer.

Occam's Chainsaw: The_Sponge: I know....let's pay for the SCHIP tax with a $3 tax on a six pack of beer diapers. After all, it's for the children.

FTFY. Have the problem pay for the solution.

Of course. The rich use diaper services, while the poor buy disposables.