I don't think employers really check to see if you really have a high school diploma or not. Maybe they do in Ohio because, well, it's Ohio.

Pope George Ringo: I don't think employers really check to see if you really have a high school diploma or not. Maybe they do in Ohio because, well, it's Ohio.

I'm guessing most of it comes in a background check. Probably just depends on the job.

Pope George Ringo: I don't think employers really check to see if you really have a high school diploma or not. Maybe they do in Ohio because, well, it's Ohio.

This!


I know some people with great jobs who do not have a high school diploma or GED. I know two people who own successful businesses, a millionaire who never even learned to read, a bank manager and a VP at a trucking company bringing down $200K per year.

Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

A lot of my coworkers have PhD's it's very interesting to work with them. They seem very knowledgeable but seem to have very little common sense and often seem very socially disconnected. There is a joke some of the other workers have about the PhD's, they say, "If there weren't road signs, they'd never find their way to work".

Is this guy's last name Johnston?

It really doesn't matter anymore. Grade school dropouts make millions, and I'm an unemployed doctoral candidate.

WTF? Which job will not hire you if you don't have a GED but will if you do? Not even in Ohio.

"79-year-old Ohio man gets his GED. "I felt I was being discriminated against just because I didn't have a piece of paper"

in general, they probably feel that if you lack the discipline to get a High School diploma then you'd probably make a poor employee. AKA Loser. In general.

My father just retired at 55 with 8 million in the bank.

He dropped out in the 9th grade. Didn't get a dime from his broke parents.

I think he got around to getting his GED at like 30 just for fun, didn't study for the test.

The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

I would have believed this had you only misspelled "college" or "insisted he knew." Since you misspelled both, I knew it was a fake.

Was it a GED in Law?

FTFA-

"Throughout his 79 years, he has built a boat, made almost every type of car run and gotten his pilot's license despite being blind in one eye."
"Randy (Wilt) kept his eye on the prize."

Pope George Ringo: I don't think employers really check to see if you really have a high school diploma or not. Maybe they do in Ohio because, well, it's Ohio.

Dirty little secret. You can't even be a collector for Chrysler Credit without a diploma, and they do check.

The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

Is this post a joak or whatt?

The_Ancient: //Never Went to Collage

That's a pity, collages are a lot of fun. Just remember not to eat the paste!

The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

If he claimed he "new" more about spelling and grammar, you should have listened.

The_Ancient: /cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.

In some fields like medicine, engineering, computer science (or any science, really), it's pretty hard to be effective without going through college.

For other professions, like operating a fork-lift or supervising the fork-lift operators; the college education probably ain't going to help much.

//stop calling a college degree a piece of paper.

FTFA: "Too many people with impediments give up too easily. Randy (Wilt) kept his eye on the prize."

Ooh, not the best choice of words there, Thelma.

I felt I was being discriminated against just because I didn't have a piece of paper"

I know exactly what you mean

/also has his good enough diploma

Good on him, even if some Farkers here boast of their lack of a degree.

/besides, aren't you guys against the whole not being independent thing?

RalphDClark: The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

I would have believed this had you only misspelled "college" or "insisted he knew." Since you misspelled both, I knew it was a fake.

Don't forget "where" instead of "were."

Yeah, who needs college. Because everyone is born knowing about computational fluid dynamics and quantum physics.

/ivy league PhD
//and all I got was a really, really expensive piece of paper

I know what he means. I set up a gynecology office, and all of a sudden the man is after me because I don't have a "medical degree."
I say, hey, it's more of a serious hobby that I'm trying to make a few bucks with, but they ran me out of business anyway because I didn't have some piece of paper.

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FlatBot 2009-01-11 11:24:36 PM


A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.
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Did the kool-aid taste good?

FTFA:

He learned how to read in a one-room schoolhouse, walking a mile uphill - both ways.


Ok, how the heck did he manage to go uphill both ways?


/confused
//does not have GED

I love the common wankish refrain that "you don't need higher learning". If you ask why: "Oh, my grandpa never needed it." Think things might be a little different these days, what with competing with India and China?

SpacePunk: --------------------------------
FlatBot 2009-01-11 11:24:36 PM


A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.
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Did the kool-aid taste good?

Average income for full-time year-round workers with high-school degree, 1997 to 1999: $30,400

Average income for full-time year-round workers with a bachelor's degree, 1997 to 1999: $52,200

Unemployment rate for high-school graduates, 2001: 4.2%
Unemployment rate for bachelor-degree holders, 2001: 2.2%


I used to work at a sporting goods store in high school and we wouldn't hire anyone who'd dropped out of high school (and this is just for a retail sales job). My bosses reasoning? If they can't even finish high school, which is incredibly easy, how can they be trusted to be reliable at work?

mandingueiro: in general, they probably feel that if you lack the discipline to get a High School diploma then you'd probably make a poor employee. AKA Loser. In general.


I'd agree with this, except I served my full sentence in public schools. There isn't a damned thing to be proud of just because you can sit quietly through years of stupidity. Unless perhaps you're in a position where you're wanting to hire obedient little monkey-slaves. Then I can see the benefits of wanting someone who's good at following directions exactly as given, no matter how pointless and stupid they are.

The guy who dropped out at 15 to start working? Who's had a steady job history doing the work I need done since then? Who actually has the drive to go out on his own and actually get shiat done instead of wasting time? Yeah... he's the guy.

That said...

"Wilt, of North Canton, received his General Educational Development (GED) diploma last month after 10 tries and after about five years of meeting with tutors weekly..."

Either GEDs are held to much, much higher standards than HS testing, or this guy isn't very smrt.

/Graduated with kids so dumb they were given "extra credit" on tests for spelling their own names right
//Still took them two tries

attackingpencil: My bosses reasoning?

Note to self: don't make grammar mistakes in posts about the value of education.

Nemo's Brother

The closest someone has come to biatch-slapping someone else across the internets is you.

/went to collage
//getting a kick

SpacePunk:

Did the kool-aid taste good?

*****

Is that supposed to be some kind of Jonestown reference?

If it was, it doesn't make sense, being that the people who drank the Kool-Aid are dead.

"Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I find that most people, regardless of education, really have no idea what they're doing and are simply winging it everyday.

The college educated crowd just tends to have more self awareness of the fact that they have no idea what they're doing.

I agree, I make more money than most of you farkers just by selling meth. Having an education is elitist.

spamdog: Was it a GED in Law?

Came here to see that this question was asked. Leaving satisfied. :)

I recently received my college degree and I can tell you that I don't know anymore than the avg person within my age group. What I can tell you is that a degree, if anything, shows someone else that you were able to persevere, stick with a task, and complete the task successfully. Its a tool, and an investment of time, to help better yourself, your mind, and expose you to ideas and views, you more than likely wouldn't see without having a very adventurous life.

You're not better than anybody else, but having a degree in my opinion, gives you less of an excuse to be an ass or do asinine things. Because, imho, you should know better. And I say that depending upon the degree you received.

//Theatre majors are idiots.

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FlatBot 2009-01-11 11:47:35 PM
SpacePunk:

Did the kool-aid taste good?

*****

Is that supposed to be some kind of Jonestown reference?
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"Having "drunk the Kool-Aid" also refers to being a strong or fervent believer in a particular philosophy or mission - wholeheartedly or blindly believing in its virtues." -- from Wikipedia

If you want to be a truck driver, pipe fitter or some other trade, you don't need college.

If you want to get a job in a field that requires higher education, go for it.

/doesn't take a PhD to figure that out.

For those of you who didn't graduate High School, why not? Not trying to be a dick, but come on they let anyone graduate. It wasn't really much of a hassle , all you had to do was show up. Show up farked up if you have to.

I guess he didn't realize that he was being discriminated against because of his age....

/aisle seat please...I get sick by the window

FlatBot: The_Ancient: /cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.

In some fields like medicine, engineering, computer science (or any science, really), it's pretty hard to be effective without going through college.

For other professions, like operating a fork-lift or supervising the fork-lift operators; the college education probably ain't going to help much.

//stop calling a college degree a piece of paper.

Colleges are structured based on the average student. Some systems jive with people on a psychological level, others do not. Some people cannot take tests for their lives but can perform every function the test is designed to confirm.

The people who can't take tests but know the material waste money at colleges (notice I said college, have to give it a serious effort first). It's ironic that one of the first skills they teach students in education is that you cannot fit a square peg in a round hole, yet the education system in the US is setup in such a way where that is exactly what they do.

/Have my own business
//Can't take tests
///Successful

The_Ancient: I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did

You fired him for that alone?

Or insubordination?

DeathByGeekSquad: FlatBot: The_Ancient: /cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.

In some fields like medicine, engineering, computer science (or any science, really), it's pretty hard to be effective without going through college.

For other professions, like operating a fork-lift or supervising the fork-lift operators; the college education probably ain't going to help much.

//stop calling a college degree a piece of paper.

Colleges are structured based on the average student. Some systems jive with people on a psychological level, others do not. Some people cannot take tests for their lives but can perform every function the test is designed to confirm.

The people who can't take tests but know the material waste money at colleges (notice I said college, have to give it a serious effort first). It's ironic that one of the first skills they teach students in education is that you cannot fit a square peg in a round hole, yet the education system in the US is setup in such a way where that is exactly what they do.

/Have my own business
//Can't take tests
///Successful

I can't have taken more than 8 tests in college (not counting Latin class).

Am working on a college degree. I can tell you I am better than everyone else. I mean I just know it all. Seriously, I would go on but I am going to the gym in 26 minutes!


//Obvious troll is obvious

The_Ancient: Some of the Stupidest people I have ever worked with where "college edumicated"

I remember one guy I fired because he insited he new more about the warehouse I was RUNNING than I did because he had a degree and I did not, He was a Temp that had been working for me less than 2 weeks, I was the Shift Supervisor....

Of course it was probably more the fact that I was 20 years old, and he was 40.....


//Never Went to Collage
//Make more than most Collage Grads

//cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

I love threads where people state how much more they make than other people and how it is such a great benchmark of success. There are people that take low paying jobs, because they add a significant sense of purpose to their life. Those jobs tend to pay less because people are willing to do them for less money (but the education may take forever). I could work at a warehouse and make significantly more money than I do now, but I wouldn't be very happy. On the other hand, one could go to graduate school and get paid just enough to have a living wage, and develop as a scientist (or whatever), and meet interesting people and do field work in interesting places. You can either do that as a career, or save up money doing a crap job and do it in your retirement. Or if you're content doing the 9 to 5 thing, more power to you. Society needs people to fill all of those roles.

FlatBot
SpacePunk:

Did the kool-aid taste good?

*****

Is that supposed to be some kind of Jonestown reference?

If it was, it doesn't make sense, being that the people who drank the Kool-Aid are dead.


I believe it's a reference to the Merry Pranksters...

No, you were discriminated against because you're a border line idiot.

/Didn't read article
//forget abbreviation for that
//dnf?

pvd021: I recently received my college degree and I can tell you that I don't know anymore than the avg person within my age group. What I can tell you is that a degree, if anything, shows someone else that you were able to persevere, stick with a task, and complete the task successfully. Its a tool, and an investment of time, to help better yourself, your mind, and expose you to ideas and views, you more than likely wouldn't see without having a very adventurous life.

You're not better than anybody else, but having a degree in my opinion, gives you less of an excuse to be an ass or do asinine things. Because, imho, you should know better. And I say that depending upon the degree you received.

//Theatre majors are idiots.

People can learn just as much outside of college as they do in college. It depends what your goals are. Conversely, people can make it through college and learn as little (or less) as someone who just sits around reading fark for 4 years. It's all about creating opportunities and taking advantage of them. If you are interested in applied or skilled labor types of jobs (i.e. joining the electrician's union or becoming a mason) going to a 4 year college makes no sense. If you are interested in the biomedical sciences or engineering, you need to go to school.

ok, I'm stating the obvious, but sheesh, this self-made thing gets annoying. Our society, economy, and R and D would all collapse if everyone had that attitude. We'd just have a bunch of people opening restaurants, franchises of play-it-again sports, and IT consulting businesses if everyone had that mentality. Higher education is really important and the US needs to invest more in education, not less. We need to encourage kids to go to college and get their "pieces of paper." Otherwise, other countries that value education will continue to pass us by in math and science...

...and that's why we can't have nice things!

I dunno. I'm a reasonably successful software engineer, and I didn't finish college. Almost didn't finish high school, although that near failure was due more to an unwillingness to memorize bible verses at a private school than anything.

Also, I work in game dev, which is a bit less conventional an industry than say, banking.

In general, the people you want to hire are the ones who are intelligent, able to learn, and willing to put effort into bettering themselves. People like this often have degrees. It's not the degree itself that matters, it's the fact that you bothered to get one.

/My giant killer robots don't care about your PhD
//GIANT KILLER ROBOTS!

attackingpencil: DeathByGeekSquad: FlatBot: The_Ancient: /cant stand people that think a piece of paper makes them better than me

A college degree is not just a "piece of paper". It shows that the person spent four years learning about their field. If a person paid their own way through school it shows they are dedicated, goal-oriented and hard working.

In some fields like medicine, engineering, computer science (or any science, really), it's pretty hard to be effective without going through college.

For other professions, like operating a fork-lift or supervising the fork-lift operators; the college education probably ain't going to help much.

//stop calling a college degree a piece of paper.

Colleges are structured based on the average student. Some systems jive with people on a psychological level, others do not. Some people cannot take tests for their lives but can perform every function the test is designed to confirm.

The people who can't take tests but know the material waste money at colleges (notice I said college, have to give it a serious effort first). It's ironic that one of the first skills they teach students in education is that you cannot fit a square peg in a round hole, yet the education system in the US is setup in such a way where that is exactly what they do.

/Have my own business
//Can't take tests
///Successful

I can't have taken more than 8 tests in college (not counting Latin class).

Hell where'd you go?

/college was filled with tests
//and papers
///rawrwar