Nice addition to the headling. I should have thought of that.

WTF is a headling? A baby head?

"We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil."

great. prove it. Citation needed.

what's that you say, "National secrets"? "Would jeopardize operations"?

that's what I thought.

Bush, WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?

TWEN-TY FOUR! TWEN-TY FOUR!

You can like '24' and be against torture in real life. Entertainment != reality.

Can we please avoid the euphemisms and call torture "torture" instead of "harsh interrogation tactics"?


"We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil."

My six-year-old niece believes in Santa Claus. Doesn't make it so.

wait, but everyone is telling me that Obama has kidnapped Jack Bauer? That he won't torture anyone anymore to keep with Obama's policies.

/really, people are saying that

We should totally kick that guy out of office.

I started a website to try and get people to help me do it a while back, but all I got in return was some crazy character from MIB giving me concern troll crap. Oh well, at least I bought Drew some beer.

srhp29 Nice addition to the headling. I should have thought of that.
WTF is a headling? A baby head?

rape = harsh penetration tactics.

rape = harsh penetration tactics.

It's only rape if you don't say surprise.

grinderman : It's Hedley *sour look*

srhp29: rape = harsh penetration tactics.

It's only rape if you don't say surprise.

Confetti is optional, but it's a nice touch.

46 minutes!

Does this mean that he will pardon the Japanese soldiers that we convicted of war crimes for using the same techniques against us?

Chloe, I need you to hack the DOD mainframe and download the blueprints of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to my PDA, stat! JUST DO IT CHLOE!

Save American lives now, breed a new generation of terrorists later. Hey, at least your administration doesn't have to deal with them.

Is there going to be a green for the discussion thread for the nonTFers?

Is torture really that useful anyways? If you torture me enough I'll say that I'm the President of Uruguay.

Anyways, that wasn't torture, that was frat-boy shenanigans!

Good god, it's going to be nice (relatively speaking of course) to have adults (relatively speaking again) back in charge. It's already getting a little better.

/was beginning to wonder if I'd ever be able to say that
//and here's a pre-emptive "Obama! Socialism! Mark my words!!!"
///slashie says it's 4:20 here!

"the information we gained helped save lives on American soil."

Annnnnnd..... he just gave his supporters, and those looking desperately for a way they could "legitimately" jump back behind him and start waving flags their rallying call for the next four years, and the "I told you so" if anything happens in the world after he leaves and these practices stop, no matter the reality.

I saw this interview. What a dumbshiat. More so than the financial collapse and the failed war on terror, his legacy will be the fact that the national debate is now about whether or not holding a person upside down and pouring water into their lungs constitutes "torture". We've come a looong way in only 8 short years.

I don't watch the show, but I am just in to reiterate that torture doesn't work very well, usually.

hellbilly: Does this mean that he will pardon the Japanese soldiers that we convicted of war crimes for using the same techniques against us?

can you pardon people you execute? Does it make much difference to them, is what I'm getting after here...or are you doing it for yourself?

Get the fark out of there and go somewhere else ya dang moran. Quit being a terrible prez and start moving furnature! Looking forward to gw greating me at walmart. Well I have a dream.

I can't believe people actually watch this garbage. I tried watching one of the prior seasons, got interested, then laughed and quit entirely after they went through villains like candy and began legitimately advocating fascism.

XMark: Is torture really that useful anyways?

I prefer to kill them with kindness. It's amazing what people will tell you when you stare into their soul and tell of them shiat-stained beauty you can see inside. And maybe give a few instructions on "brain washing."

It makes people so fuzzy they will tell you anything, but mostly they just start spouting "the truth."

thesubliminalman: Get the fark out of there and go somewhere else ya dang moran. QuitQuite being a terrible prez and start moving furnature! Looking forward to gw greating me at walmart. Well I have a dream.

/pet peeve

I'm going out on a limb to guess that this season of 24 will involve a presidential succession crisis and a mole infiltrating CTU.

That's all I missspelled?

signaljammer: I don't watch the show, but I am just in to reiterate that torture doesn't work very well, usually.

I never like the "if you torture a guy, he'll just say what you want to hear" argument. I mean, the Pentagon has guys whose job it is to figure out more effective ways to torture people. They practically have PHDs in torture. So if they've put all this science behind it, and it's still unreliable, where the hell is my tax money going?

/Yeah, they have just as many guys on staff who are finding out more efficient ways to get people to say what other people want to hear.

WFern: I can't believe people actually watch this garbage. I tried watching one of the prior seasons, got interested, then laughed and quit entirely after they went through villains like candy and began legitimately advocating fascism.

It's ridiculous, yes, but it's so silly it's awesome. Think of it as a big ole chocolate-covered television donut with sprinkles.

GET! OUT! OF! THE! WHITE! HOUSE! SIR!!!

serial_crusher: signaljammer: I don't watch the show, but I am just in to reiterate that torture doesn't work very well, usually.

I never like the "if you torture a guy, he'll just say what you want to hear" argument. I mean, the Pentagon has guys whose job it is to figure out more effective ways to torture people. They practically have PHDs in torture. So if they've put all this science behind it, and it's still unreliable, where the hell is my tax money going?

/Yeah, they have just as many guys on staff who are finding out more efficient ways to get people to say what other people want to hear.

Only 2 or 3 billion a year to black budget.

Cinatyte: I'm going out on a limb to guess that this season of 24 will involve a presidential succession crisis and a mole infiltrating CTU.

Don't forget an innocent person being accused of being the mole, and the surprise return of somebody who we thought was dead (not just Tony. Edgar will come back as a cyborg or something)

I'm going out on a limb to guess that this season of 24 will involve a presidential succession crisis and a mole infiltrating CTU.

You will fail. There is no CTU from what I have read. But they already showed a bad guy with power in the two hour movie.

WFern: and began legitimately advocating fascism

Sigh.

Yes, and Batman advocates vigilantism and Fight Club advocates blowing shiat up. Anyone who watches Dirty Harry (or any cop movie for that matter) wants their cops to break the rules and just blow people away.

Anyway, if you watched the show, torture doesn't work most of the time, and Jack does it against his agency's orders.

Why is a serious story threat like bush etc being thread jacked by a tv show? Anyone pay attention to anything important anymore? Thought not.

serial_crusher: Cinatyte: I'm going out on a limb to guess that this season of 24 will involve a presidential succession crisis and a mole infiltrating CTU.

Don't forget an innocent person being accused of being the mole, and the surprise return of somebody who we thought was dead (not just Tony. Edgar will come back as a cyborg or something)

And, at some point Jack will be classified as rogue by CTU, and have to operate alone... or with the help of one loyal CTU member who believes in his innocence.

Now I understand why this jackass got reelected!

ciberido: Can we please avoid the euphemisms and call torture "torture" instead of "harsh interrogation tactics"?


"We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil."

My six-year-old niece believes in Santa Claus. Doesn't make it so.

Considering we hanged the Japanese that did this in WWII, yeah. Part of me hopes that Bush leaves the country and is picked up and flown to the Hague. Part of me realizes it would be a terrible thing for the country overall. So, I'll just hope the soon to be ex-president sits on his a$$ and stays safe behind US law until we're willing to admit that, in a moment of fear, our leaders caved and destroyed some of the principles we stood for.

Then I hope Americans have learned to grow a f*cking spine and realize what being an American means. I hope they realize that you sometimes have to pay for freedom with your life. I hope that it means the end of the fear.

"GET DOWN NOW!"

/cue Kiefer break-dancing

Hey Bush,

Torture does not produce intel only statements the inflictors want to hear.

My dad was in special forces for 30 years and recalled waterboarding as part of their training of what to expect when capturd.

Remember when torture is what the bad guys did as we were not like them?

thesubliminalman: Why is a serious story threat like bush etc being thread jacked by a tv show? Anyone pay attention to anything important anymore? Thought not.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30624 is closer to the truth than anything I might say. We all spent so long being outraged, that now it's like... "Bush said something outrageous... crap, I'm out of ketchup." Sad? Yup... incredibly. Look through the threads of the first six years of his presidency, and you'll see fightin' spirit. Now... *sigh*.

Few thoughts on 24

Used to love 24 and loved Seasons 1 - 4 then they tried to kill President Palmer (brother) again with a bomb with another insider's help. The writers turned into unimaginative, repetitive, and boring plot devices thus killing my interest and I haven't watched 24 since.

Loved the Jack heroin addiction and him in Mexico. Loved Curtis and hated the way his character was written out. Loved David Palmer, loved his death, but hated to see his character go.