Oh wow, I hope this gets greenlit, should make for a great flamewar thread.

It really is impressive, that they can keep spewing these inanites about evolution and intelligent design. If they would at least try to be scientific about ID, they would have a case.

Of course, natural sciences are not really able to provide a basis for understanding what is basically a supernatural theory. If it does get resolved, I'm left wondering what else we would wharrgarbl about.

Oh well, there's always the politics tab

Is a typical high school biology student going to (1) read the disclaimer, (2) care? The classroom experience and assignments are going to be far more important.

I often insert random unrelated text in documents I write to see if anybody really reads them and pays attention. Generally, no.

In my whole life, I have yet to meet ONE college-educated adult from Mississippi. It's not like this legislation will make one damn iota of difference.

Well then. Turnabout is fair play ;)

gary jism.

ecmoRandomNumbers: In my whole life, I have yet to meet ONE college-educated adult from Mississippi. It's not like this legislation will make one damn iota of difference.

Wow, and you've spent so much of your life east of the Mississippi river... that must mean that we don't exist.

Eat shiat.

Yeah. They tried that shiat here in Georgia in Cobb County (the same lovely folks that ended up getting the Olympics yanked from their county because they were bigoted idiots). The court biatchslapped them and forced them to remove the stickers, which ended up costing them quite a bit of money because it destroyed quite a few books...

ecmoRandomNumbers: In my whole life, I have yet to meet ONE college-educated adult from Mississippi.

Me!

/And I oppose the War on Science. So do a lot of other Mississippians.

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Here are the stated goals of the Wedge Document, which is the Bible of the anti-science politico-religionists:

GOALS

Governing Goals

* To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
* To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
* To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
* To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

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The lawmakers are aware that many constituents reject that theory of evolution and would prefer to eliminate evolution from the curriculum entirely. Disclaimers like this are an attempt at a reasonable compromise. They allow for the teaching of evolution while assuring those students who might be hostile to evolution that they are not required to believe it.

Oh god...

Not this shiat again...

'Dear lord, please protect me from your followers"

Just riding through on my dino.

SkinnyHead: WHARRGARBL!!

Okay Skinny, where do you and your good friend Rep. Gary Chism propose that Mississippi gets the money to add these stupid stickers (and to replace the books that get damaged after the state loses in court and is required to take the stickers back off)?

Mississippi is currently operating its institutions of higher education at with deficit spending. We are looking at cutting Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program because of budget problems this year. This is a stupid way for Rep. Chism to make a statement, and I'll be damned if he's going to use my money to do so.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:
This is a stupid way for Rep. Chism to make a statement, and I'll be damned if he's going to use my money to do so.

At this point, this kind of grandstanding is all the disenfranchise Base has left.

You know, it's a pity that, at the decline of Western Civilization, a group that calls itself "conservative" is happily pounding nails into the coffin

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DistendedPendulusFrenulum: * To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.

It doesn't specify which God, though....
Theoretically, if this passes..can we use this explanation to teach kids that Odhinn created the world?

SkinnyHead: They allow for the teaching of evolution while assuring those students who might be hostile to evolution that they are not required to believe it.

Evolution is like gravity, belief is not part of the equation.

WITNESS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

The fall of the Union starts today, with Mississippi! Soon, they will breed an army of over-confrontational Bible-thumping nutbags who will spread out and erode this country from the inside.

Thank you so much, religious zealots, for teaching, peace, tolerance and acceptance, just like Jesus Christ wanted you too. Oh, wait...

Some day I'll go into my theory about how intelligent design and creationism are nothing more than attempts to prop up the doctrines of sola scriptura and biblical literalism so beloved by certain sects of Protestants. But right now, I have to get ready for Mass.

/Catholic
//Yes, we believe in evolution. You can pick your jaws up off the floor now.

MasterThief: Some day I'll go into my theory about how intelligent design and creationism are nothing more than attempts to prop up the doctrines of sola scriptura and biblical literalism so beloved by certain sects of Protestants. But right now, I have to get ready for Mass.

/Catholic
//Yes, we believe in evolution. You can pick your jaws up off the floor now.

Except that Catholic church officials have condemned the Dover court ruling and have spoken in favor of teaching intelligent design in schools.

This should be considered an act of treason. The North really does need to implement a war of aggression.

Every Southern political and religious leader should executed in public square. The rest of the Southern citizens should be rounded up for reeducation. If they are unable to assimilate a better knowledge they will be injected with nano-probes to summon them into slavery. Their land and wealth will be redistributed to the more educated and worthy Northerners, while their labor will be used for our growth- after all, the inferior do not need rights.

We cannot let this plague spread. The very fate of humanity rests on subordinating these vile "people." I dare say I'm very generous in using that very word; 'dogs' or 'savages' would be a far more apt description. So, tonight, I call on my fellow Northerners- my fellow man- to rise up and take back the human civilization. We are decent, we are righteous, we are objective!

/Just practicing what they preach(ed)!

SkinnyHead: Except that Catholic church officials have condemned the Dover court ruling and have spoken in favor of teaching intelligent design in schools.

citation needed

ecmoRandomNumbers: In my whole life, I have yet to meet ONE college-educated adult from Mississippi.
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Me!

And no doubt you are very glad to be FROM Missisippi....

SkinnyHead: Disclaimers like this are an attempt at a reasonable compromise.

Unfortunately, the lawmakers have fail miserably in this attempt at reason.

WhyteRaven74: SkinnyHead: Except that Catholic church officials have condemned the Dover court ruling and have spoken in favor of teaching intelligent design in schools.

citation needed

Link?

Does this matter? People in Mississippi can't read anyway.

I went to a Catholic HS, and we had science in science class, religion in religion class. In fact, my bio class taught evolution, and the religion class didn't denounce it.

Actually, my religion classes weren't so much religious as they were more of growing up, trying to be good and dealing with family and friends. It was NEVER 'Well, God did it.'

If only these people could be forcibly denied the benefits of evolutionary biology. Such a policy would solve the problem through natural selection, and pretty quickly.

State legislators, in their natural form, are stupid, silly, asinine, scary and dumbasses for the most part. Petty, indifferent and oblivious too. Working in their general vicinity makes you realize how stupid the general public is, because these are their champions. In my state's Senate, the good ones stood out, R and D.

I love how this winger rejects evolution because it's an "unproven belief."

Ironic, no?

/maybe not
//but this dude should not be allowed to breed

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Dear Lawmakers,

The Constitution; farking read it you farking retarded failbots.

Just because your constituents are mainly uneducated hick retards that know nothing except "The word of God", does not mean it's legal or even acceptable to promote this bullshiat into law. Yes it might get you re-elected, no it is not legal. Yes you should be removed from office.

change1211: Link?

That link has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

lajimi:



Cartoons like those are the reason why if I had to choose between saving a Nazi or a editorial cartoonist from a sinking boat, I'd have to think for a moment.

WhyteRaven74: SkinnyHead: Except that Catholic church officials have condemned the Dover court ruling and have spoken in favor of teaching intelligent design in schools.

citation needed

Certainly.

Cardinal Rings In On Pa. Evolution Debate

New Washington DC Archbishop favours Intelligent Design in Schools

MasterThief: Some day I'll go into my theory about how intelligent design and creationism are nothing more than attempts to prop up the doctrines of sola scriptura and biblical literalism so beloved by certain sects of Protestants. But right now, I have to get ready for Mass.

/Catholic
//Yes, we believe in evolution. You can pick your jaws up off the floor now.

The Catholic Church has accepted the reality of evolution for quite a long time. Since Humani Generis, actually, IIRC. While some Catholics continue to debate the mechanisms (whether natural selection is paramount, e.g.) and most consider evolution to be divinely "guided" in some way that is not readily detectable, the Church itself acknowledges the fact that evolution happens.

Cardinal Schönborn's 2005 statements to the contrary, there is no conflict between Catholicism and evolution (and Cardinal Schönborn was not authorized to state the Vatican's position in any case).

That's no surprise at all to those of us who study this subject. As far as the relationship between faith and science, the Catholic Church is actually a strong ally of the sciences.

(I disagree with the Church on many issues, but not this one.)

Mississippi state legislators and the Christian Taliban that control them are ignorant idiots.

FTFY

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Here are the stated goals of the Wedge Document, which is the Bible of the anti-science politico-religionists:

GOALS

Governing Goals

* To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
* To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
* To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
* To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

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Holy farking shiat. I shouldn't be surprised, but shiat.

So, tell me, someone... How did Southerners get this reputation for being stupid? I simply don't understand why people equate a Southern accent with ignorance....

sloppy shoes: This should be considered an act of treason. The North really does need to implement a war of aggression.

Every Southern political and religious leader should executed in public square. The rest of the Southern citizens should be rounded up for reeducation. If they are unable to assimilate a better knowledge they will be injected with nano-probes to summon them into slavery. Their land and wealth will be redistributed to the more educated and worthy Northerners, while their labor will be used for our growth- after all, the inferior do not need rights.

We cannot let this plague spread. The very fate of humanity rests on subordinating these vile "people." I dare say I'm very generous in using that very word; 'dogs' or 'savages' would be a far more apt description. So, tonight, I call on my fellow Northerners- my fellow man- to rise up and take back the human civilization. We are decent, we are righteous, we are objective!

/Just practicing what they preach(ed)!

3/10, the last part gave it away.

But if we really want to stop this, simply enforce a set of rules to obtain a high school diploma and make an acceptance of the scientific method mandatory. This will make college acceptance easier but establishing a guaranteed level of education and will cut this shiat out. Besides, the only thing pushing creationism will do is sabotage a student's ability to perform well in college since it'll rob them of valuable time to achieve critical thinking and reinforce the ignorance that memorization is exactly the same as education.

Creationism is just another way to keep people stupid, hence keeping them as perfect unquestioning slates that believe everything they are told. Period.

If a person has to (ab)use science to reinforce their religious beliefs, I submit that their faith is so weak that calling it "faith" is an oxymoron.

I lived in Ohio in the eighth grade. I vaguely remember warnings like this on our science books. The thing is, as a student, you don't have the objective viewpoint that you need to judge the warning, you automatically accept it as, well, gospel.

The problem is that it instills a feeling that the theory is fundamentally flawed right from the get-go. It instills a seed of doubt that causes you to immediately discredit evidence, as it appears to be a conspiracy. Otherwise, why would you need a warning? It took a lot of training for me to realize that there really needs to be a warning against the warning.

The last line is what makes this worthwhile.

Study hard and keep an open mind.

Why are liberals so afraid of that?

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Here are the stated goals of the Wedge Document, which is the Bible of the anti-science politico-religionists:

GOALS

Governing Goals

* To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
* To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.
* To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.
* To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals

* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.



Just to round things out to the complete package.

SkinnyHead: New Washington DC Archbishop favours Intelligent Design in Schools

So two people, one of whom can't even get it straight that evolutionary theory doesn't cover the origin of life, count as the Catholic church?

SpinStopper: Well then. Turnabout is fair play ;)

Since when is the Bible taught as a subject in public school? For turnabout....you have to have something to turn...about.

skipjack: Study hard and keep an open mind.

Because in this case there's nothing to have an open mind about, ID is total crap. Nevermind, it's not science.

skipjack: The last line is what makes this worthwhile.

Study hard and keep an open mind.

Why are liberals so afraid of that?

These people want minds so "open" that the brain falls out.

Why are extreme right-wingnuts in favor of that?


"The theory that sex causes pregnancy is a controversial theory that some people in the medical community believe. Students should keep an open mind and also consider the rival "stork theory" of reproduction."

skipjack: The last line is what makes this worthwhile.

Study hard and keep an open mind.

Why are liberals so afraid of that?

You've made me believe in creationism, for I've just seen you create yet another straw man.

SkinnyHead, repeat after me and try and understand this time

The universe does not change to suit popular opinion. Only the evidence counts when examining the truth or falsity of a scientific theory.

It does not matter if every legislator in Mississippi decides they prefer creationism to evolution. Evolution is still the scientific conclusion.

Are you next going to tell me they can repeal the Law of Gravity, turn the moon into green cheese by act of government and set Pi to 3 by judicial decree? For this is exactly what your maunderings about the popular vote imply are possible.

skipjack: SpinStopper: Well then. Turnabout is fair play ;)

Since when is the Bible taught as a subject in public school? For turnabout....you have to have something to turn...about.

It is taught in church, temple, or mosque, by people with too much authority, to children without the skills to analyze it objectively, or with any opposing viewpoint.

Regular school is turnabout, fighting to de-indoctrinate children and force them to actually think.