They also have onsite, ALS. Knowing that someone is having a heart Attack is not the same as being able to do something about it.

/NREMT-P/MPIC ACLS, BLS, PALS

globalwarmingpraiser: They also have onsite, ALS. Knowing that someone is having a heart Attack is not the same as being able to do something about it.

/NREMT-P/MPIC ACLS, BLS, PALS

Granted, although it obviously helps that there are people sitting somewhere with trained eyes on everyone 24/7 and call someone immediately, as opposed to hopefully not being around a bunch of people who just flip out and don't know what to do.

With all the security cameras they have in Vegas you can bet that if you fart, someone is watching your ass cheeks slap together.

Only 1 out of 50 suffering a heart attack in Chicago survive? Bullshiat.

BillCo: With all the security cameras they have in Vegas you can bet that if you fart, someone is watching your ass cheeks slap together.

Sexy.

Seriously though, there's a significant percentage of older people hitting the casinos, and that percentage normally gravitates to a high profit center - slot machines. Wouldn't it make sense to keep a few more alive to sustain revenue?

FTA "most of the patients who experienced religious turmoil had a 6% to 10% greater risk of dying than those whose faith in God remained steady."

bronyaur1: Only 1 out of 50 suffering a heart attack in Chicago survive? Bullshiat.



Calls bullshiat

Sloppy, inchoate use of information all ways round, typical of Parade. We need to have large sample sizes, gather data, then posit casual models that can be tested. The one thing that strikes me is the idea of acclaim leads to longevity. The explanation is social. It seems to me that we know that smarter people tend to live longer. It doesn't seem to be to far of a stretch to suppose that, overall, the recognized may be a smarter cohort. This explanation, then, does not require social factors.

Sumo Surfer: FTA "most of the patients who experienced religious turmoil had a 6% to 10% greater risk of dying than those whose faith in God remained steady."

Yes.... "He sorted them into two groups: those who had positive, unconflicted spiritual beliefs and those who felt unloved, abandoned, or punished by God."

Being abandoned by your imaginary friend can be quite stressful.

I like reasons number 2 and 4...

cheap booze and hookers

however, you are more likely to have a heart attack in Vegas once you've gambled your nest egg away..

I saw this first hand. Guy collapsed in front of us at Bellagio. His daughter and wife were screaming for help. Within minutes, paramedics were attending to him and revived him. Seeing his daughter burned a rough image in our mind. Needless to say, we did not gamble that evening.

I'm fairly certain that most of these survivors head straight back to the nickel slots, IV, plastic bracelet, dangling cigarette and all.
I just feel sorry for the employees assigned to get cocktails, etc for that area. Man that's gotta suck.

/once won a new car-sized jackpot
//gambled it back in 2 hours
///has not been back due to epiphany of Stupid

Amazon has had home defibrillators for about 1500 bucks plus shipping.

The more you know.

BillCo: With all the security cameras they have in Vegas you can bet that if you fart, someone is watching your ass cheeks slap together.

They won't be doing that again anytime soon.

signaljammer: Sloppy, inchoate use of information all ways round, typical of Parade. We need to have large sample sizes, gather data, then posit casual models that can be tested. The one thing that strikes me is the idea of acclaim leads to longevity. The explanation is social. It seems to me that we know that smarter people tend to live longer. It doesn't seem to be to far of a stretch to suppose that, overall, the recognized may be a smarter cohort. This explanation, then, does not require social factors.

Indeed. I found that article quite shallow and pedantic.

/shallow and pedantic

bronyaur1: Only 1 out of 50 suffering a heart attack in Chicago survive? Bullshiat.

It's not so much the heart attack, as it is the sudden arrival of urban predators and scavengers.

"Crooked politicians" seems a bit redundant.

bmihura: "Crooked politicians" seems a bit redundant.

Yeah, it is like those two words reference the same thing.

Of all of them, I found the one about your initials pertaning to your lifespan to be the most persuasive argument of all.

/off to change my name to Antoine Cervantes Excelsior

-1 Subby for forgetting Baltimore.

Vegas needs you awake and conscious in order to relieve you of your retirement savings

bronyaur1: Only 1 out of 50 suffering a heart attack in Chicago survive? Bullshiat.

"ER" and "Grey's Anatomy" are NOT indicative of actual results. The vast majority of people who enter the ER without a manageable heart rhythm do not survive. However, the 2% value cited in this article is actually a number cited within the JAMA article of studies conducted in the 1990's which predate the push for wide deployments of AEDs and defibrillators by prehospital providers. Also, like all good scientific articles, there are tons of exceptions, caveats, and controlling language defining what cases were and were not included in the study. The truth is, speed and quality of pre-hospital care by initial responders is the BIGGEST factor in cardiac event survivability. EMS delivery is terribly inconsistent, even within the same city. Your best hope is that a person trained in CPR and use of an AED is there with an AED and quick to act when you go down.

Feel free to read the actual article and then get EVERYONE you know to take a CRP class with AED. Stop relying on government to save your ass.

Regional Variation in Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest Incidence and Outcome

Graham Nichol, MD, MPH; Elizabeth Thomas, MSc; Clifton W. Callaway, MD, PhD; Jerris Hedges, MD, MS; Judy L. Powell, BSN; Tom P. Aufderheide, MD; Tom Rea, MD; Robert Lowe, MD, MPH; Todd Brown, MD; John Dreyer, MD; Dan Davis, MD; Ahamed Idris, MD; Ian Stiell, MD, MSc

JAMA. 2008;300(12):1423-1431.

Having casino patrons dying on the floor is very, very bad for business.

Lenny_da_Hog:
Being abandoned by your imaginary friend can be quite stressful.

Hehe maybe, although nothing is probably more stressful than second-guessing one's atheism - on the deathbed.

Cardiac arrest != Myocardial Infarction.

That is all.

Stay Cool Babylon: I'm fairly certain that most of these survivors head straight back to the nickel slots, IV, plastic bracelet, dangling cigarette and all.
I just feel sorry for the employees assigned to get cocktails, etc for that area. Man that's gotta suck.

/once won a new car-sized jackpot
//gambled it back in 2 hours
///has not been back due to epiphany of Stupid

Reminds me of the only "lifetime successful gambler" story I ever heard about Vegas. My uncle was once on a layover traveling through The Meadows, and started putting money in a slot machine. He hit a jackpot of some kind, calculated his odds (he was a mechanical engineer....you'd have to know the type) of ever winning again, and just walked away. Never visited Vegas or gambled again.

Reason #1 why casinos suck: You lose all of your money.

Heart attacks or getting hit with a cattle prod?

sweetcheeks: I saw this first hand. Guy collapsed in front of us at Bellagio. His daughter and wife were screaming for help. Within minutes, paramedics were attending to him and revived him. Seeing his daughter burned a rough image in our mind. Needless to say, we did not gamble that evening.

So... Was the daughter hot?

/Don't leave out the important parts of stories, damnit. ;-)

Reason #420 why casions suck: they aren't pot free zones.

bourneobscurity: signaljammer: Sloppy, inchoate use of information all ways round, typical of Parade. We need to have large sample sizes, gather data, then posit casual models that can be tested. The one thing that strikes me is the idea of acclaim leads to longevity. The explanation is social. It seems to me that we know that smarter people tend to live longer. It doesn't seem to be to far of a stretch to suppose that, overall, the recognized may be a smarter cohort. This explanation, then, does not require social factors.

Indeed. I found that article quite shallow and pedantic.

/shallow and pedantic

+1

BillCo: With all the security cameras they have in Vegas you can bet that if you fart, someone is watching your ass cheeks slap together.

You're fat, aren't you.

four12: Having casino patrons dying on the floor is very, very bad for business.

Until you hand them their chips back?

Last institution we worked for, I spent months getting them to put in AED's.

I have to wonder though, does all the hot ass in Vegas increase the odds of heart attack, or increase the odds of survival. I saw a girl in Treasure Island that literally stopped me in my tracks. If the blood had routed to my brain instead of my wang, I'd have dropped over dead.

Maybe. I bet Las Vegas sees more heart attacks per capita than elsewhere. Old people come here in droves, stuff themselves on fatty buffet foods, stay up all night smoking & gambling, then get into huge fights w/their spouse over money.

/Heart attacks just waiting to happen.

nuclear_asshat: increase the odds of heart attack, or increase the odds of survival.

Yes, on both accounts. There is a lot of excitement in Las Vegas, whether from sex, gambling, bright lights, etc. This means that a lot of people are getting much more sympathetic stimulation than they are accustomed to, and so a higher proportion of cardiac arrests will be from primary arrhythmias. Those happen to be relatively treatable when caught early, which those cameras help with.

I work at a casino so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Stay Cool Babylon: I'm fairly certain that most of these survivors head straight back to the nickel slots, IV, plastic bracelet, dangling cigarette, portable oxygen tank and all.
I just feel sorry for the employees assigned to get cocktails, etc for that area. Man that's gotta suck.

FTFY

\yes i've seen that

four12: Having casino patrons dying on the floor is very, very bad for business.

Legend had it nobody has ever died in a Las Vegas casino. They aren't pronounced dead until they're off the property.

*has

98K514: four12: Having casino patrons dying on the floor is very, very bad for business.

Legend had it nobody has ever died in a Las Vegas casino. They aren't pronounced dead until they're off the property.

Very true. I was a paramedic for nine years and can truthfully say that nobody ever died in my ambulance... only a doctor or a state trooper could pronounce that someone was dead.

My last CPR instructor was a retired ER doc working for the Red Cross. He didn't pull any punches when it came to saving lives.

"This isn't TV, if no one sees you go down you are done. If someone sees you and starts CPR right away, you got a 50/50 chance. It all depends on how close real help is. You need Paramedics with heart drugs in 15 minutes or less. You need a Level 2 ER (Cardiologist on call). Then you roll the dice with a qualified surgeon."

But there are 5 times as many heart attacks in Vegas vs. the other cities because of all the people who realize just how much money they just lost.

sweetcheeks: I saw this first hand. Guy collapsed in front of us at Bellagio. His daughter and wife were screaming for help. Within minutes, paramedics were attending to him and revived him. Seeing his daughter burned a rough image in our mind. Needless to say, we did not gamble that evening.

Yeah, I wouldn't have gambled after that either. Talk about a cooler....

Only 1 out of 50 suffering a heart attack in Chicago survive? Bullshiat.

"Older studies from New York, Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles found overall survival rates of just 1-2 percent," says Sanders, who wrote an editorial in JAMA to accompany Nichol's paper.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160512/output/print

98K514: hey aren't pronounced dead until they're off the property.

Nope, they will pronounce dead in a casino. Two were pronounced dead on site in the 2 years I worked in a casino out here. It's just very discreet and it's handy that coroners still make house calls.

Devoid: Talk about a cooler....

Hence the discresion. Seriously, it's very rare that most people notice when something really happens there.

globalwarmingpraiser: They also have onsite, ALS.

Some do. Mostly only have basic EMTs, but I'm fairly all have at least security AED/CPR certified.

dletter: somewhere with trained eyes on everyone 24/7

It's not as pervasive as you think. Thousands of people to a handful of guys. The videos are most useful for review/court/etc., but surveillance will catch stuff sometimes. Usually stuff like that is called in by one of the employees that are everywhere. Porters, waitresses, security, techs, and slot floorpeople flood the floor of any casino.

nuclear_asshat: oes all the hot ass in Vegas increase the odds of heart attack

Actually, big factor here is dehydration. Most people who come here aren't used to low humidity and don't realize that, especially in the summer, you have to actively keep yourself hydrated.

Dead folks can't gamble!!

So what did you expect?

four12: 98K514: four12: Having casino patrons dying on the floor is very, very bad for business.

Legend had it nobody has ever died in a Las Vegas casino. They aren't pronounced dead until they're off the property.

Very true. I was a paramedic for nine years and can truthfully say that nobody ever died in my ambulance... only a doctor or a state trooper could pronounce that someone was dead.

In what state do you live in can a cop legally pronounce someone dead?

I need to avoid that state.

In Nevada, like most states, only the Coroner/ME or a doctor can make that legal determination. Paramedics can make a decision that someone is in what is considered a 'state incompatible with life' (actual term, I can explain how I know if you want).

Course they do! they want to keep y'all alive and gambling.

I bow to Haoie