2nd place is no prize. Why stand by and do nothing to let the democrats for life rip the election?

No way will this douchebag get his way this time. Making an absurd requests like this is just asking to be shot.

SouthernManDunWrong: 2nd place is no prize. Why stand by and do nothing to let the democrats for life rip the election?

ya sure, everyone involved in the recount totally had to of screwed Colman over it's a conspiracy man, we gotta stand up and fight


pffft whatever Colman lost deal with it

Too bad he didn't have the power and influence of the Bush family, then he could have just stopped the recount altogether.

All this is because Franken dared to criticize Republican politics--even back during the days when the Republicans weren't allowed to dissent from the party line.

If Franken had realized that what's good for The Party is good for the country, none of this would be necessary.

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SouthernManDunWrong: 2nd place is no prize. Why stand by and do nothing to let the democrats for life rip the election?

Even though you're obviously trolling, I'm going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Coleman was the guy on Nov 5th saying that Franken should concede because the cost of a recount "wouldn't be worth the tax dollars it would take to conduct". (new window). Now that he's on the losing end, it's apparently worth unlimited tax dollars to make officials sift through endless paperwork that's already been reviewed at least twice (and sometimes 3x).

You lost, Coleman. Suck it.

Its his right to contest the results.

MorningBreath: Its his right to contest the results.

So long as you hold him to his comments about it being a waste of taxpayer money.

MorningBreath: Its his right to contest the results.
ok i guess this needs to be said again, and I'll even bold it for you

brigid_fitch: I'm going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Coleman was the guy on Nov 5th saying that Franken should concede because the cost of a recount "wouldn't be worth the tax dollars it would take to conduct". (new window). Now that he's on the losing end, it's apparently worth unlimited tax dollars to make officials sift through endless paperwork that's already been reviewed at least twice (and sometimes 3x).

You lost, Coleman. Suck it.


brigid_fitch said it best

MorningBreath: Its his right to contest the results.

Have you read this article? He's going above and beyond "contest the results."

If there's any justice in this case, Norm Coleman should be paying the cost for all this out of his own pocket, not to mention the legal costs.

Hey Norm... ....

You're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and doggone it, people don't like you.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: All this is because Franken dared to criticize Republican politics

Bingo. I said the same thing in the last thread about this. All this Franken hatred doesn't really have anything to do with his politics. Franken could've ran as a libertarian and the Republicans would still have this insane, pathological hatred of him.

Franken's worst crime, in the eyes of a lot of Republicans, is that he made fun of one of their gods - Rush Limbaugh. His ability to criticize Republicans in a really funny way without a lot of screaming and yelling just kills them. They wouldn't hate him as much if he was just a Coulter-esque windbag.

I imagine if someone on the right did something similar to Obama, you'd see the same kind of outrage from the left. Of course, the trick is finding a right winger who actually has a well-developed sense of humor. That's like finding an albino unicorn.

Coleman knows he's done, he just wants to leave steamers in as many rooms as possible before he gets evicted. Blago is doing the same thing, his biggest turd being named Burris.

There's probably a technical psychology term for this scatological scorched-earth behavior, but we just call it 'politics'.

It is gonna be awesome hearing Franken rip Republicans from the senate floor.

sigdiamond2000: Bingo. I said the same thing in the last thread about this. All this Franken hatred doesn't really have anything to do with his politics. Franken could've ran as a libertarian and the Republicans would still have this insane, pathological hatred of him.

That's why I can't wait until the Fark Independents have a candidate they truly have great hopes for... and then they can watch their good and trusted Republican friends turn on them like rabid dogs.

At this point, I suspect Coleman sees it as his patriotic duty to keep a walking, talking piece of shiat like Franken out of the Senate.

Congratulations, Norm Coleman. You're the Al Gore of the 2008 race.

BillCo: At this point, I suspect Coleman sees it as his patriotic duty to keep a walking, talking piece of shiat like Franken out of the Senate.


I was going to attempt to say something that could add to the discussion in a positive way. But gee-whiz. That takes the cake.

/leaves satisfied.

teh patriotic duty is to keep all democratics out of office on cause they are soooo bad !!!

sigdiamond2000: Franken's worst crime, in the eyes of a lot of Republicans, is that he made fun of one of their gods - Rush Limbaugh. His ability to criticize Republicans in a really funny way, by using facts they habitually ignore or simply invent without a lot of screaming and yelling just kills them.

FTFY (new window)

Another (new window)

Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

partisan politics aside... there is a problem here.

rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

partisan politics aside... there is a problem here.

That didn't happen. Why do people keep repeating debunked talking points?

The problem is there is NO POSSIBLE WAY at this point to determine who actually received more votes. We really should move away from manual recounts, just get a computer scanner, and whatever it counts, it counts. The errors should be roughly equal on both sides, and we can get this whole `oh well he only filled in 3/4 of this circle, but 1/5 of this one, we need to not count this one' bullshiat.

rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

Citation, please. I've been following this election closely, as well as the recount, and this rumor keeps popping up. Go find a source--I'll wait.

Halli: rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

partisan politics aside... there is a problem here.

That didn't happen. Why do people keep repeating debunked talking points?

they'll eventually become true enough if you repeat constantly. If you get caught just claim you innocently "heard it somewhere and it was an honest mistake"... then go back to repeating.

rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

I was going to mention the fact that you're a liar for repeating a talking point that is demonstrably false...but I see that Halli beat me to it. And brigid_fitch. And Mordant.

Operation Chaos II: Electric Boogaloo!

/It's too bad Rush is vacationing in the Dominican Republic right now. He could really help spread the chaos.

The race is over now. It's been certified and everything.

GOSLING'S BIG BOOK O' POLITICAL ADVICE

#569: If you're in a close race, you are perfectly within your rights to exhaust every legal angle available to you. But the second it becomes obvious to everyone you've lost, concede. Don't embarrass yourself.
#570: Remember to concede. Seriously. People are gonna notice. (See also: Marilyn Musgrave.)

Coleman seems to have a valid argument. They allow 133 missing ballots to be counted, but have rejected multiple absentee ballots because of "signature analysis". I didn't know election officials were expert handwriting analysts.

I thought most people here were for "count all the votes." So why not count the rejected ballots that were deemed not to be the correct signature.

// Plus I don't like Franken, so yes I'm biased.

rhiner: I am a retard and I don't like facts.

True. He lost. Get over it.

BillCo: ... walking, talking piece of shiat like Franken out of the Senate.

There's no hate like liberal hate.

brigid_fitch: rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

Citation, please. I've been following this election closely, as well as the recount, and this rumor keeps popping up. Go find a source--I'll wait.

Seconded! I'd like to see a credible source for that talking point, as well.

nekom: The problem is there is NO POSSIBLE WAY at this point to determine who actually received more votes. We really should move away from manual recounts, just get a computer scanner, and whatever it counts, it counts. The errors should be roughly equal on both sides, and we can get this whole `oh well he only filled in 3/4 of this circle, but 1/5 of this one, we need to not count this one' bullshiat.

Or better, when the difference in the votes is clearly within the error in the counting methods, there should be a revote.

If you had told me back on November 3rd that the Presidency would be decided before midnight on election night, and we'd be fighting over a senate seat from Minnesota two months later, I'd have told you you're nuts.

I think the Minnesotans like to vote for absurd characters just to see who they can get away with.

MyRandomName: Coleman seems to have a valid argument. They allow 133 missing ballots to be counted, but have rejected multiple absentee ballots because of "signature analysis". I didn't know election officials were expert handwriting analysts.

I thought most people here were for "count all the votes." So why not count the rejected ballots that were deemed not to be the correct signature.

// Plus I don't like Franken, so yes I'm biased.

Wow, that's a whole lot of stupid right there. FYI: In a voting system where there are supposed to be secret ballots, YOU DO NOT SIGN YOUR VOTE. Votes that were signed were discounted. Jebus.

Oh, and I am watching Franken as the Gorilla keeper in Trading Places right now, so I am getting a kick...

Mordant: That's why I can't wait until the Fark Independents have a candidate they truly have great hopes for... and then they can watch their good and trusted Republican friends turn on them like rabid dogs.

RU PAUL

MyRandomName: Coleman seems to have a valid argument. They allow 133 missing ballots to be counted

If you did some research on those 133 ballots, you'd find:

1) They were already counted on Nov. 4th. The physical ballots went missing sometime after that & before they started the recount

2) This has happened before in MN (physical ballots counted on Election Day but lost before a recount) and MN has always gone with the Election Day total for that precint.

nekom: We really should move away from manual recounts

A manual count is the most accurate kind.

Admit it...The wheels still turning, but the hamster's dead.

Phil Herup: BillCo: At this point, I suspect Coleman sees it as his patriotic duty to keep a walking, talking piece of shiat like Franken out of the Senate.


I was going to attempt to say something that could add to the discussion in a positive way. But gee-whiz. That takes the cake.

/leaves satisfied.

Thanks for leaving, the thread has a much better chance of being reasonable now.

Phil Herup: I was going to attempt to say something that could add to the discussion in a positive way. But gee-whiz. That takes the cake.

/leaves satisfied.

I'D RATHER LET THE TERRORISTS WIN THAN LET AL FRANKEN INTO THE SENATE!

/The problem with the GOP is that they just can't distinguish between political rivals and enemies of the state. And since there is no real distinction there, they feel free to use any and all tactics to further their domestic politics.

//The problem with the Democrats is that they haven't really realized this yet.

Halli: rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

partisan politics aside... there is a problem here.

That didn't happen. Why do people keep repeating debunked talking points?

Because Limbaugh keeps repeating them as if they were facts.

It's actually kind of helpful to listen to RL. It allows me to filter out a lot of Farkers as irrelevant.

Tor_Eckman: FYI: In a voting system where there are supposed to be secret ballots, YOU DO NOT SIGN YOUR VOTE. Votes that were signed were discounted.

That's not quite right. After absentee ballots are sealed in their envelopes, the voter is required to sign it. In many states, a witness is required to countersign it.

This is the only way to be sure that people voting absentee only vote once.

brigid_fitch: rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

Citation, please. I've been following this election closely, as well as the recount, and this rumor keeps popping up. Go find a source--I'll wait.

I've got to be honest - I haven't been following this race as closely as most of you, therefore, I can't really say I know what I'm talking about.
But I'd be willing to bet that rhiner got this from Dick Morris, who said this during his appearance on Bill O'Reilly the other night.
So here's my preemptive strike -
"But but but Dick Morris said it" isn't an acceptable citation.

Mordant: Halli: rhiner: Al would be fighting too if some precincts turned in more votes than they had voters.

partisan politics aside... there is a problem here.

That didn't happen. Why do people keep repeating debunked talking points?

they'll eventually become true enough if you repeat constantly. If you get caught just claim you innocently "heard it somewhere and it was an honest mistake"... then go back to repeating.

And it works in reverse, too, as in the Ohio Diebold voting machines.

Pay no attention to that plane wreck over there, just because the pilot was about to testify means nothing.

\Vince Foster

brigid_fitch: by using facts they habitually ignore or simply invent

Even more to the point:

Limbaugh baselessly claims Franken 'stole' MN election.

eraser8: Tor_Eckman: FYI: In a voting system where there are supposed to be secret ballots, YOU DO NOT SIGN YOUR VOTE. Votes that were signed were discounted.

That's not quite right. After absentee ballots are sealed in their envelopes, the voter is required to sign it. In many states, a witness is required to countersign it.

This is the only way to be sure that people voting absentee only vote once.

This is true. I was referring to signing the actual ballot. From the Minnesota statutes:


Subd. 13.Identifying ballot.

If a ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics in a manner making it evident that the voter intended to identify the ballot, the entire ballot is defective.

This statute's intention is to prevent proof that a vote has been bought.

Give it up Norm, now you are just making a colossal arse of yourself.

MorningBreath: Its his right to contest the results.

He's not contesting the results. Right now, he's the political equivalent of a Monopoly player who keeps re-rolling the dice until he lands on Boardwalk.

Tor_Eckman: I was referring to signing the actual ballot.

But nobody else is.

No one is asking that marked ballots be counted. MyRandomName was referring specifically to absentee ballots in which the signature on the envelope was deemed inconsistent with the signature on the absentee application. Because of the mismatch, those ballots were rejected.

There are other ways:

From basketball, either the possession arrow or a jump ball could be used. Imagine Franken and Coleman standing in the middle of the Election Court waiting for the chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court to toss up a basketball.

From Mad Max: THUNDERDOME!

From history: Gentlemen use to settle their differences with pistols or sabers. Since courts like precedents, this one should be fine by them.