It's for this very same reason that police rarely pull someone over if they are doing less than 10mph over the posted limit. It costs more than the fine they usually collect.

But I thought speeding tickets were about safety!

Funny. I know a guy in Arizona who makes enough money off of speed.

That's just good business, good for them.

Shoot the f**kers off the poles.

nostudme: Shoot the f**kers off the poles.

Don't do that, just spraypaint them or tape something over them.

Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

tfa link says that subbys mom is walking those roads, hoping that drivers will stop accelerating to 65 as they see her.

tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Do you know anyone who doesn't speed? Cause I'll let them in on your little plan.

ilikeracecars: tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Do you know anyone who doesn't speed? Cause I'll let them in on your little plan.

Old people.

Worst drivers on the road by far are VW related. they think they own. so not the case. haha.

FTA: Arizona lawmakers did not want the change. But they went along, as ignoring the mandate would have resulted in the loss of federal aid.

Did any of that "federal aid hand out" ever get spent? And what on? Because we're seeing billions going out just for the asking rather than forcing state mandates "or else" policy.

kidsizedcoffin: ilikeracecars: tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Do you know anyone who doesn't speed?

Old people.

Florida begs to differ.

Article is factually wrong. The 55 MPH limit was imposed in the late 70's. Another FAIL from the Carter administration.

ilikeracecars: tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Do you know anyone who doesn't speed? Cause I'll let them in on your little plan.

Wisconsinites when they are driving in Minnesota.

/farking wisconsinites

beerbaron
Article is factually wrong. The 55 MPH limit was imposed in the late 70's. Another FAIL from the Carter administration.

Keereckt. Obviously the 'journalist' was born in the 80's and it didn't sound odd to say there was a gas shortage in the 80's. Everyone alive in the 70's remembers having to go to the gas station on odd or even days, depending on the license plate. Part of the same FAIL of Carterism. Oh, and now his houses fall down too. Shock. Surprise.

Arizona is where I broke my personal land speed record: 125mph in a Hertz Shelby GTH on the north side of Yuma.

Not that impressive, sure, but living in the northeast, I don't get a lot of opportunity for that sort of thing.

/Ozzy's "Crazy Train" was the soundtrack, as it should be...

It may have something to do with the fact that attacks on these cameras are becoming almost a weekly occurrence. Last week, someone threw a spare tire off a moving truck and took out a mobile camera SUV. Arizonans are rightfully pissed off about this shiat. A little civil disobedience goes a long way. The state is either going to have to back down, or start putting cameras on the cameras.

Pastor of Muppets: It's for this very same reason that police rarely pull someone over if they are doing less than 10mph over the posted limit. It costs more than the fine they usually collect.

Not only that, in Illinois I often see state cops going 75 mph on the highways when the limit is clearly posted as 65 mph. Between this and the ticket price grade (I believe it's easier to argue your speedometer is inaccurate if it's less than 10 mph over) I no longer consider 65 mph to be the actual highway limit, because that's clearly not what they're enforcing.

All Apologies: It may have something to do with the fact that attacks on these cameras are becoming almost a weekly occurrence. Last week, someone threw a spare tire off a moving truck and took out a mobile camera SUV. Arizonans are rightfully pissed off about this shiat. A little civil disobedience goes a long way. The state is either going to have to back down, or start putting cameras on the cameras.

You're confusing "civil disobedience" with "flagrant vandalism," but otherwise I agree with your point.

I'm glad they finally told us what the tolerance is.

Now I can get back to going 7 or 8 over as I have for my whole life.

I *had* been going exactly the limit not knowing the rules. Thanks DPS!

/for you outside-AZ peeps, the DPS is our highway patrol, in California they go by CHP.

tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Yes, they will. It's not like the radar guns will break down if everyone is going 20 mph over the limit at once.

beerbaron

Another FAIL from the Carter administration.

It saved a lot of gas.

/Unfortunately it came in an era where there were still muscle cars on every block.

The cameras are almost as stupid as 55 MPH limits throughout most of this God-forsaken city anyway. Also, ticket amounts here seem exorbitant to me. 10 miles over starts at $165?

The cameras are a huge waste of resources. If you get a ticket from one, just ignore it. It'll go away without anything ever happening to you, since delivering a ticket via post does not count as proper serving. And it's against Arizona law to issue a warrant for a non-criminal traffic infraction.

/TMYK

blazemongr: tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Yes, they will. It's not like the radar guns will break down if everyone is going 20 mph over the limit at once.

But if 6mil+ people all go 90mph hour and are not interrupting traffic flow, then its all legal.

It's good to know what the police state is doing, so we can change, so in turn the police state can make its laws tougher and get over on what we now know without disclosing anything, and thus..Speeding is bad.

/only drives fast on toll roads now

beerbaron: Article is factually wrong. The 55 MPH limit was imposed in the late 70's. Another FAIL from the Carter administration.

Actually, while people certainly don't like driving slow, and even though cars become safer at higher speeds every year, the 55 mile per hour limit is probably the sanest facet of the gas crunch in the seventies. Most cars aren't really designed well from a coefficient of drag stand point, or we'd all be driving giant horizontal rain drop looking things. Up to fifty-five or so, you're mostly just trying to overcome static frictional forces between the tires on the pavement. As speed increases, so does the resistance of the air on the vehicle. Once you get above fifty-five or so, depending on the frontal area of the vehicle (this is very important, a long swoopy car doesn't instantly make it aerodynamic, but it looks sexy and sells units) you start using more and more power to maintain speed. Which, of course, destroys your fuel economy.

austerity101: The cameras are almost as stupid as 55 MPH limits throughout most of this God-forsaken city anyway. Also, ticket amounts here seem exorbitant to me. 10 miles over starts at $165?

The cameras are a huge waste of resources. If you get a ticket from one, just ignore it. It'll go away without anything ever happening to you, since delivering a ticket via post does not count as proper serving. And it's against Arizona law to issue a warrant for a non-criminal traffic infraction.

/TMYK

Yeah, that was nice while it lasted, but they've hired clerks to come to your house or place of employment to serve you papers. My roommate can vouch for that. TMYK, yourself.

/grease monkey
//hates all our lovely new cameras too

beerbaron: Article is factually wrong. The 55 MPH limit was imposed in the late 70's. Another FAIL from the Carter administration.

This was not Carter's fault. 55 mph was Nixon's idea.

Now, get off my lawn.

i got one of these mailed to me the other day.. exactly 10 over. im going to ignore it.

//everyone just needs to drive with bandannas over their faces.. like bandits.

I was just visiting relatives in Phoenix (drove over from LA) and those darn cameras are everywhere. On one freeway the speed limit changes from 55 to 65 back to 55 then up to 65 again. Felt like a speed trap. I think I got a ticket on Tuesday. Driving with the flow of traffic, I saw a bunch of flashes off to the right, but I am not sure if it was the sun reflecting off of the cameras or the actual flash. If I did get a ticket they are $181.50. I know this since almost all of my cousins showed me theirs. Apparently you get a link to the video footage of you speeding past. Not paying the ticket isn't an option. When it is time to renew your driver's license they tack the ticket onto your fee. Argh. If I do get a ticket in the mail, I plan to say the driver isn't me and I am not sure who could have borrowed my car. Lots of relatives had access. I hear something like this can get the ticket dismissed.

Overall, the Big Brother-feeling on all freeways was terrible and I understand all of the vandalism taking place to these cameras. I hate 'em!

the free lawyer at school told me that being sent something in the mail is not leagally binding... unless you got it. if you admit that you recieved it or it is known that you recieved it, then it is legally binding.

/not a lawyer.

studebaker hoch: It saved a lot of gas.

No, it didn't. Estimates show it was less than a 1 percent savings.

tolallorti: But if 6mil+ people all go 90mph hour and are not interrupting traffic flow, then its all legal.

No it's not. It'd just be stupid to try to prosecute all of them instead of changing the law. If the law is still on the books, and you break it, you've broken the law. Take Tempe, AZ for example. They have very specific laws regarding housing conditions for different sexes, like different sex siblings can't share a room past a certain age, and unmarried different sex couples aren't supposed to share a room either, regardless of age, if they're not related. There are also rules regarding the number of people in a house. It's leftovers from Tempe's old Mormon style legal code, since the Mormons founded Tempe. Are those laws asinine? Yes. Are they enforced? No. If you pissed off someone who knew the right people could you get in trouble for it? Yes. I pray to FSM that a judge would take one look at that sort of case and laugh his ass off, but he'd certainly be within his LEGAL right to throw the book at you, if he wanted. The reason these sorts of laws are still around are because it's easier to ignore them than actually do the amazingly large amount of work involved in getting them taken off the books.

/pendantic

knewbill: When it is time to renew your driver's license they tack the ticket onto your fee.

Arizona DLs are good for forty-five years from date of issue. No need to renew.

suprisingly my commute didn't involve passing many of these day to day, but i recently went and visited a friend in central phoenix and there are just too many cameras, and they are in the 55 areas where you can't go 55. it is crazy.

and it doesn't go 55 65 55 65, it is 55 in the middle of the city and 65 around the edges, it only goes 65 55 65 if you drive all the way accross the city(and it is 55 for like 15 miles) or you switch roads.

bravian: ilikeracecars: tolallorti: Or alternatively just everybody speed and they won't be able to enforce anything.

Do you know anyone who doesn't speed? Cause I'll let them in on your little plan.

Wisconsinites when they are driving in Minnesota.

/farking wisconsinites

We say the same thing about your drivers in OUR state, because your plates are the ones that stand out. Farking stop this brand of ignorance.

mxwjs: and it doesn't go 55 65 55 65, it is 55 in the middle of the city and 65 around the edges, it only goes 65 55 65 if you drive all the way accross the city(and it is 55 for like 15 miles) or you switch roads.

Not only that, but you can see these damned monstrosities from a mile away so long as you're actually paying attention to driving and not chatting away on your cell phone or dicking around with the radio or what-have-you. Tempe enacted laws to limit the size of signs, and it's illegal to have a storage shed that can be seen from a public street, but these giant flashing steel and glass eye-sores are just fine. And even though the initial data (from the DPS, admittedly, so it's probably fairly skewed) from the past year shows a MARKED decreas, (I think I read 65% in the papers early this week) in fatalities, it's still not worth it, in my opinion.

beerbaron: studebaker hoch: It saved a lot of gas.

No, it didn't. Estimates show it was less than a 1 percent savings.


By the way, this Rex Banner fellow keeps asking about you. Please excuse me if you've already gotten his message.

Pastor of Muppets: It's for this very same reason that police rarely pull someone over if they are doing less than 10mph over the posted limit. It costs more than the fine they usually collect.

Exactly. It winds up costing the taxpayer instead of the offender. This is why many states have double fines in construction and school zones, to make it not hit the taxpayer to stop the asshat lead-foots.

eddyatwork: But I thought speeding tickets were about safety!

You don't like fines? Your other choices are community service or jail. Or you could just obey the damn traffic laws.

OniNeko: We say the same thing about your drivers in OUR state, because your plates are the ones that stand out. Farking stop this brand of ignorance.

I think it's like this: When you're in a different state, you drive slow as hell for one of two reasons. Either you realize that cops like to pick on out of state drivers because they're unlikely to challenge and charges in court due to the cost of traveling to the appointment, and will meekly accept whatever bullshiat fine they get, or they're just not sure of the particulars of driving. Like mentioned earlier, everyone around here drives 5-10 over the limit because the cops will still ignore you, but if you're from out of state, you don't know this. It's not the state that matters, it's whether the state you currently drive in is one your back bumper.

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Snarfle: OniNeko: We say the same thing about your drivers in OUR state, because your plates are the ones that stand out. Farking stop this brand of ignorance.

I think it's like this: When you're in a different state, you drive slow as hell for one of two reasons. Either you realize that cops like to pick on out of state drivers because they're unlikely to challenge and charges in court due to the cost of traveling to the appointment, and will meekly accept whatever bullshiat fine they get, or they're just not sure of the particulars of driving. Like mentioned earlier, everyone around here drives 5-10 over the limit because the cops will still ignore you, but if you're from out of state, you don't know this. It's not the state that matters, it's whether the state you currently drive in is one your back bumper.

Very, very good point. Let's hope these slow out-of-state drivers are at least in the right lane. I never thought of it like that, though. You probably just created another slow out-of-state driver. ^_^ I kid.

I'm just hoping that EVERYONE'S home state is the one with all the problem drivers that don't understand "slow traffic to the right."

jmayson: eddyatwork: But I thought speeding tickets were about safety!

You don't like fines? Your other choices are community service or jail. Or you could just obey the damn traffic laws.

Points only system would be the best, safety should never be about revenue generation. I understand you have to pay people to process all that paperwork, but that's what taxes are supposed to be for. The fact of the matter is, the average Phoenician doesn't know squat about driving, and really shouldn't be on the road in the first place. fark up too many times, or fark up real bad, you don't get to drive. Period. Either learn how to operate a vehicle, or hire a driver.

OniNeko: I'm just hoping that EVERYONE'S home state is the one with all the problem drivers that don't understand "slow traffic to the right."

I spent most of my childhood growing up in various European countries, and those cats are way better at driving and traffic control than us. 60 over on a regulated part of the Autobahn? Meh, you'll get pulled over by and told to slow down. Passing on the right, or not getting to the right to allow faster traffic to pass? You'll be lucky to have a license afterwards.

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I'd question the validity of that statistic anyways, one percent doesn't jive with what I've experience and recorded in my days of auto tuning.

/loves threads related to cars

Hate those speed cameras. I drove through Phoenix en route to Tucson last Christmas and they're all over I-10. Then driving back from NYE my friend got popped on the way back to LA. It's almost like the state is saying "Thanks for visiting Arizona, now fark you, give us your money."

/what happened, AZ? You used to be cool
//cops everywhere is all I see when I go back now

I can't drive.....fifty-five!!!!

/wtf is wrong with you guys? This should have been covered by now.

The Sierra Vista Herald is a notoriously bad paper, I actually own a ranch next to the people who own and operate it. The reporter in this article ignores the fact that this state is currently working on outlawing speed cameras because the money is better invested in more officers to actually protect people instead of only issuing tickets for petty traffic violations.

Evil Cat: /wtf is wrong with you guys? This should have been covered by now.

And I'm a car guy to boot, though not really a Haggar fan.

/hangs head in shame