Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

Angry drunk
Convicted of manslaughter
Grifter
Tax cheat

Yeah. Really sounds like Dylan is misrepresenting what a fine upstanding citizen this guy was.

/rollling eyes

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Yeah. Really sounds like Dylan is misrepresenting what a fine upstanding citizen this guy was.

/rollling eyes

to be fair though, before i read this article, whenever i heard this song i pictured hattie carol lying on the floor of the dining room in a bloody, bludgeoned mess with zanzinger mercilessly beating her into a pulp with a bejeweled silver cane. seems it was more severe emotional distress that actually killed her. (still he's a scumbag by most accounts).

I tried to listen to the song and form an opinion but man, all i heard was "ang da mung hez valkin dawng da rwoad, aang e it sogmn wee a cann"

I know its an old joke but Goddamn, was this in English?

From the comments section of the link:

stupid | 1/9/2009, 1:11 pm EST

Boo hoo for Hattie,,,,,so what.

stupid | 1/9/2009, 1:11 pm EST

Boo hoo for Hattie,,,,,so what.

"Stupid" lived up to his/her moniker by posting the same stupid comment twice.

oldebayer: "Stupid" lived up to his/her moniker by posting the same stupid comment twice.

but regained credibility with his/her creative comma usage.

HappyHarryHardOn: I tried to listen to the song and form an opinion but man, all i heard was "ang da mung hez valkin dawng da rwoad, aang e it sogmn wee a cann"

I know its an old joke but Goddamn, was this in English?

i've seen you in music threads and you seem to have pretty well formed opinions on music.

so instead of insulting your intelligence, i'm going to suggest you get better audio equipment for your computer, because even ESL students can understand what he's saying in that video.

Sounds like an all-around scumbag. Good riddance, assface.

thomps: to be fair though, before i read this article, whenever i heard this song i pictured hattie carol lying on the floor of the dining room in a bloody, bludgeoned mess with zanzinger mercilessly beating her into a pulp with a bejeweled silver cane. seems it was more severe emotional distress that actually killed her.

Joey Gallo wasn't a good guy. Does "Joey" even out Dylan's biographical-song karma?

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Joey Gallo wasn't a good guy. Does "Joey" even out Dylan's biographical-song karma?

i don't fault dylan's poetic license with any of his work because they made for damn good songs. i think dylan's karmic concerns are better left focused elsewhere.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Angry drunk
Convicted of manslaughter
Grifter
Tax cheat

Yeah. Really sounds like Dylan is misrepresenting what a fine upstanding citizen this guy was.

/rollling eyes

Don't forget slum lord.

On closer Dylan-lyric review, Patty Valentine didn't seem altogether innocent either.

Phranc did a perfect cover of this song. Track it down.

Yeah and "Hurricane" isn't the best recounting of the facts surrounding the Rubin Carter conviction, but it's a hell of a tune.

thomps: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Yeah. Really sounds like Dylan is misrepresenting what a fine upstanding citizen this guy was.

/rollling eyes

to be fair though, before i read this article, whenever i heard this song i pictured hattie carol lying on the floor of the dining room in a bloody, bludgeoned mess with zanzinger mercilessly beating her into a pulp with a bejeweled silver cane. seems it was more severe emotional distress that actually killed her. (still he's a scumbag by most accounts).

Scumbag doesnt equal murderer though.

FTA:
"Dylan's concern was not the fact themselves but how they might fit with his preconceived notions of injustice and corruption,"

Dylan is one of the people we have to blame for the politically correct world we have now, he could craft a melody but most of his songs are bullshiat in actual facts but people accept them as fact. Hes prime example number 1 as to why artists are full of shiat, great composer, shiat for politics.

mofomisfit: Yeah and "Hurricane" isn't the best recounting of the facts surrounding the Rubin Carter conviction, but it's a hell of a tune.

Yeah, great song but hurricane was most likely guilty of murder no matter what dylan thinks.

steamingpile: Dylan is one of the people we have to blame for the politically correct world we have now,

i'm not sure how any of this has to do with political correctness - as far as i know he never wrote a song about refraining from calling minorities by derogatory names.
he took a real story and played fast and loose with facts to make it an allegory for class disparity. is that unfair to those in the story? probably, but it doesn't necessarily negate the bigger message or make his politics "shiat"

Who is that guy who constantly rants and rants about the facts of the song 'Hurricane?' It seems like anywhere on the tubes 'Hurricane' gets mentioned this guy pops and and continues the rant.

In regards to this song... I always thought it was based on much older events. I learned something today.

Still think we should send the guy who killed Davey Moore up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.

You know how you can tell if someone's a total moron? If they rail on and on about "political correctness."

Bob hasn't played "Hurricane" since the 80's. It turned out Reuben Carter wasn't such a great guy. I think he stopped playing the song after Carter was arrested for cocaine possession.

karmaceutical
Who is that guy who constantly rants and rants about the facts of the song 'Hurricane?' It seems like anywhere on the tubes 'Hurricane' gets mentioned this guy pops and and continues the rant.

In regards to this song... I always thought it was based on much older events. I learned something today.

Still think we should send the guy who killed Davey Moore up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.

Is it like a website, or is it a farker? I do not, nor will I ever, know if Rubin Carter was guilty or innocent. I do know that Dylan left any bit of evidence that would implicate Carter out of the song. And I dare anyone to not sing along with it, it is a rocking tune.

So if I am hearing the Dylan detractors correctly:

Dylan embellishes fact to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect his personal views = BAD

Desert tribes embellish facts to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect their personal views = DIVINE LAW

Mason Jennings did a pretty great cover of "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" for the I'm Not There soundtrack.

If it wasn't apparent from my handle, I likes me some Dylan.

karmaceutical
So if I am hearing the Dylan detractors correctly:

Dylan embellishes fact to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect his personal views = BAD

Desert tribes embellish facts to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect their personal views = DIVINE LAW

You know, I'm not sure that anyone here was saying that religions were totally awesome. Here's my view: if you get your views solely from a song or a movie or whatever without doing some critical thinking, you're a butt nugget. Dylan wrote some great songs, even the ones that embellish the facts.

Highway61Revisited: Mason Jennings did a pretty great cover of "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" for the I'm Not There soundtrack.

If it wasn't apparent from my handle, I likes me some Dylan.

that's an awesome album, although while i love the yeah yeah yeahs and your namesake, i did not like karen o's version of highway 61 revisited.

And just because I'm leaving and not going to check this again, I'm not calling anyone here a butt nugget.

thomps
Highway61Revisited: Mason Jennings did a pretty great cover of "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" for the I'm Not There soundtrack.

If it wasn't apparent from my handle, I likes me some Dylan.

that's an awesome album, although while i love the yeah yeah yeahs and your namesake, i did not like karen o's version of highway 61 revisited.

Alright maybe I will check this later tonight: what did y'all think about the Cat Power version of "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again"?

mofomisfit: karmaceutical
Who is that guy who constantly rants and rants about the facts of the song 'Hurricane?' It seems like anywhere on the tubes 'Hurricane' gets mentioned this guy pops and and continues the rant.

In regards to this song... I always thought it was based on much older events. I learned something today.

Still think we should send the guy who killed Davey Moore up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.

Is it like a website, or is it a farker? I do not, nor will I ever, know if Rubin Carter was guilty or innocent. I do know that Dylan left any bit of evidence that would implicate Carter out of the song. And I dare anyone to not sing along with it, it is a rocking tune.

Yeah, it is some journalist with some kind of axe to grind. It seems he is very fixated on this case. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this issue... but this guy sure has:

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

This has been going on for a long time I think.

mofomisfit: karmaceutical
So if I am hearing the Dylan detractors correctly:

Dylan embellishes fact to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect his personal views = BAD

Desert tribes embellish facts to fit a creative endeavor meant to reflect their personal views = DIVINE LAW

You know, I'm not sure that anyone here was saying that religions were totally awesome. Here's my view: if you get your views solely from a song or a movie or whatever without doing some critical thinking, you're a butt nugget. Dylan wrote some great songs, even the ones that embellish the facts.

Eventually, at some point in the future the corpus of Bob's work will be a new bible. William Zantzinger will be the new satan.

mofomisfit: thomps
Highway61Revisited: Mason Jennings did a pretty great cover of "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" for the I'm Not There soundtrack.

If it wasn't apparent from my handle, I likes me some Dylan.

that's an awesome album, although while i love the yeah yeah yeahs and your namesake, i did not like karen o's version of highway 61 revisited.

Alright maybe I will check this later tonight: what did y'all think about the Cat Power version of "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again"?

I haven't heard it, but the only Dylan covers I'm generally a fan of were the Grateful Dead's ... and I'm no Deadhead. But it's like he wrote the songs for them to play. When they did "She Belongs to Me" ... holy cow.

mofomisfit: Alright maybe I will check this later tonight: what did y'all think about the Cat Power version of "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again"?

the album's definitely worth the download and the movie is entertaining if you have a familiarity with dylan's life (otherwise it's alot like sitting through a 2 hour inside joke). i was never a huge cat power fan, but she does the song justice.

thomps: mofomisfit: Alright maybe I will check this later tonight: what did y'all think about the Cat Power version of "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again"?

the album's definitely worth the download and the movie is entertaining if you have a familiarity with dylan's life (otherwise it's alot like sitting through a 2 hour inside joke). i was never a huge cat power fan, but she does the song justice.

every time i hear "cat power" i always think of "cat party" and i chuckle. i probably watch too much frisky dingo.

WaltzingMathilda: every time i hear "cat power" i always think of "cat party" and i chuckle. i probably watch too much frisky dingo.

cat party is so last year, i have the dog party ringtone now.

mofomisfit 2009-01-09 03:39:59 PM
Yeah and "Hurricane" isn't the best recounting of the facts surrounding the Rubin Carter conviction, but it's a hell of a tune.

Yup. The song doesnt even have a passing relationship with the truth.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: CIVIL COURT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY

well, he left out the details about a trial for felony slander, but you can't fault him for brevity.

thomps: i'm not sure how any of this has to do with political correctness - as far as i know he never wrote a song about refraining from calling minorities by derogatory names.
he took a real story and played fast and loose with facts to make it an allegory for class disparity. is that unfair to those in the story? probably, but it doesn't necessarily negate the bigger message or make his politics "shiat"

It wouldnt have been a big deal if people hadnt taken it too far but in todays world there are way too many people feeling guilt for things they had nothing to do with. When his reality is that this biatch probably died because she worked a couple jobs like most blue collar people and ate shiat food but decided to make her heart attack the result of some white guy then it does make for shiat politics. Dylan, great artist, shiat politics.

mofomisfit: You know how you can tell if someone's a total moron? If they rail on and on about "political correctness."

Yes cause we all know that every race is allowed to be made fun of and nobody is ever fired for a joke, get over yourself, I know you are trying to be superior and shiat but political correct bullshiat is everywhere. Its easy to judge people who are brainwashed by the public schools, you just listen to the ones who choose to ignore whats going on around society.

There are injustices but you never ruin a guys life just to make a point.

Is that a real pancho or is that a Sears pancho: steamingpile
Dylan is one of the people we have to blame for the politically correct world we have now, he could craft a melody but most of his songs are bullshiat in actual facts but people accept them as fact. Hes prime example number 1 as to why artists are full of shiat, great composer, shiat for politics.

Now who you jivin' with all that Cosmik Debris?
Based on your above statement you know absolutely shiat about Dylan.

Yeah you know shiat about HTML as well.

Fact. Dylan lied or at the least twisted the truth in his songs.

He is a great artist, that can not be argued, what is arguable is the point he twisted shiat around to make his point, he didnt care about what actually happened only what he can use to correct perceived injustices.

The Dylan clip is from Steve Allen's Westinghouse show, a nightly 90 minute syndicated offering that was the hippest thing on TV in those days. How the guy that put Dylan and Lenny Bruce on TV turn into such a cranky old fart is beyond me.

Highway61Revisited: I think he stopped playing the song after Carter was arrested for cocaine possession.

Yes, as Dylan has never heard of cocaine.

As for the rabble, Zantzinger was guilty of manslaughter, Carter's indictments were dismissed. Dylan's lyrics were changed for the official release to satisfy lawyers, what more do you want?

steamingpile: Is that a real pancho or is that a Sears pancho: steamingpile
Dylan is one of the people we have to blame for the politically correct world we have now, he could craft a melody but most of his songs are bullshiat in actual facts but people accept them as fact. Hes prime example number 1 as to why artists are full of shiat, great composer, shiat for politics.

Now who you jivin' with all that Cosmik Debris?
Based on your above statement you know absolutely shiat about Dylan.

Yeah you know shiat about HTML as well.

Fact. Dylan lied or at the least twisted the truth in his songs.

He is a great artist, that can not be argued, what is arguable is the point he twisted shiat around to make his point, he didnt care about what actually happened only what he can use to correct perceived injustices.

Fact. Bob Dylan is an artist, not a reporter. He has no ethical or moral duty to report things as they happened. I'm pretty sure the bombing of Guernica didn't look cubist. Does that make Picasso shiatty?

The article failed to mention that Dylan gave the proceeds from the song to the family of Hattie Carroll. Wait, what? Nevermind.