I blame ignorance, bigotry, and absolute asshattery, not a movie.

/looking very much to seeing it
//will have to wait for it on DVD... lives in redneckville

And if Ben Affleck's Pearl Harbor had been released in 1940, both Hirohito and Roosevelt would have immediately signed an eternal friendship treaty.

I blame religious asshattery.

PoopStain: Congratulations, asshole. You shamelessly pandered to your base and farked them all as a result.

Please expound.

Any word on how the release of "Milk" affected Twinkie sales?

Anyone see it? I've seen so many documentaries on him I just wasn't interested.

That movie sounds gay.

Just curious, but is it legal for gays to marry in the UK? I see many articles where the UK papers are off-handedly or subtly bashing the US for these things but haven't read anything about their law on the subject.

Diogenes: Anyone see it? I've seen so many documentaries on him I just wasn't interested.

I read about his assassination many years ago so I was interested in seeing it. It's a very well done movie. Penn (love him or hate him) does a great job playing Milk and the supporting cast is solid. It gets a little preachy at some points, but overall it was an interesting and enjoyable film.

DslainteC: I might have to check it out then. Thanks!

DslainteC: I read about his assassination many years ago so................

Thanks for blowing the ending for me A-Hole!!!!

//just kidding.

40yoVirgin: PoopStain: Congratulations, asshole. You shamelessly pandered to your base and farked them all as a result.

Please expound.

the yes on 8 campaign made a commercial using newsom saying that this was coming whether people liked it or not. i'm sure he meant well, but it played directly into the yes on 8 campaign message, which was "they want to force you to do things that you don't want to do."

there are (and there is polling data to back this up) a good number of people who didn't vote for it because they are bigots, but because they were afraid their culture was under attack. the issue wasn't framed as "these people are looking to be included" but rather "these people are looking to exclude you".

and probably the worst thing to do when your opponent's entire message is that you are attacking the voters' culture is to go around sounding like you are doing just that.

DslainteC: Diogenes: Anyone see it? I've seen so many documentaries on him I just wasn't interested.

I read about his assassination many years ago so I was interested in seeing it. It's a very well done movie. Penn (love him or hate him) does a great job playing Milk and the supporting cast is solid. It gets a little preachy at some points, but overall it was an interesting and enjoyable film.


Seconded. I think Penn deserves the Oscar and Brolin deserves to at least be nominated for supporting. I also really liked the girl who played his campaign manager. She played the little sister in Pieces of April and I always thought she was good in that role as well.

Huh? Election Day was November 4. This movie came out November 26.

Is that another gay cowboys eating pudding film?

meh.

Oh, so its the fault of "Milk", a movie that came out 3 weeks after the election in a new york LA limited release that got prop 8? how does this not get an asinine tag?

I saw it yesterday, actually.

I found it to be a very good movie, actually worth the ticket price. (Even though it was a matinee and it was cheaper, I would've paid the full $9.75 for it.)

BlorfMaster: Is that another gay cowboys eating pudding film?

meh.

oh no, no, no!!

its gay politicians throwing pies at each other, its a much better film.

Pave_the_Planet: I saw it yesterday, actually.

I found it to be a very good movie, actually worth the ticket price. (Even though it was a matinee and it was cheaper, I would've paid the full $9.75 for it.)

that is like matinee price in manhattan now. pisses me off all of the time!

Doesn't matter, it'll get overturned or revoted in no time. The spread this time was nowhere near 61-39 like in 2000. It must really piss of social conservatives to know nationwide gay marriage legalization is going to happen sooner or later. It's inevitable.

All I know is that in the TV teasers, Pean (as Milk) acts retarded (as in "mentally challenged", not "dorky") to me. I got fussed at by my college-aged daughter for saying it, but he did!

I blame Milk for making my cereal soggy this morning.

/nothin'

Lumpmoose: It must really piss of social conservatives to know nationwide gay marriage legalization is going to happen sooner or later. It's inevitable.



/Approves

Sybarite: I think Penn deserves the Oscar

I haven't seen the movie yet but as soon as I saw the preview I thought: "Sean Penn plays a gay martyr? Oscar. Guaranteed."

vernonFL: I haven't seen the movie yet but as soon as I saw the preview I thought: "Sean Penn plays a gay martyr? Oscar. Guaranteed."

In before the "full retard" quote.

/Sean Penn went full retard.
//Never go full retard.

Did subby even read the headline to the story?

Subby: 'Harvey Milk' movie blamed for California's Proposition 8, presumably because voters got scared at the thought of a world where marrying Sean Penn was not just legal, but mandatory

Uh, noooooooo. The article is whether Prop 8 would have been defeated if Milk had come out earlier. Hooked on phonics apparently never worked for you.

PoopStain: 40yoVirgin: Please expound.

When the California Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, he went to a rally and gave his "It's gonna happen whether you like it or not" speech. Fine for his base of San Francisco voters. Bad for the voters in the rest of the state who may have been on the fence about the issue.

They played that clip over and over and over again in every commercial arguing to vote yes on Prop 8. The message was clear: absent an amendment to prevent it, the courts are going to shove this issue through and you will have no say about it whatsoever.

The courts may still shove this issue through, but it will ultimately end up being just like Roe v. Wade - a clusterfark. It will be endlessly debated and fought over.

Newsom supports gay marriage, but he did the gay community no favors by gloating over a court case that overturned a vote by the people. It just galvanized people already opposed to it, and it opened up support for the argument that if you voted yes you were asserting your rights over the right of a court.

I doubt the measure would have passed without him appearing in every single ad gloating about the SC overturning a public vote. Instead of being just about gay marriage, the prop 8 proponents could couch the argument in a bigger picture of voter's rights. That may have been the breaking point.

Yup, it was perfectly awful that the courts had to follow their own state constitution on the matter. Why can't those homos just STFU and accept being second-class citizens?

I blew George and Harvey's brains out with my... SIX GUN!

Orange Crush: This might make sense of anybody saw Milk, other than Sean Penn and 3 other liberal gay activists.

You can't go full retard and win an Oscar. You can go full gay though. :)

So what you're saying is, you'll never win an Oscar.

epocalypse: Oh, so its the fault of "Milk", a movie that came out 3 weeks after the election in a new york LA limited release that got prop 8? how does this not get an asinine tag?

Subby's title does not reflect the actual article, which posits that an earlier release of Milk might have defeated Prop 8. Which I feel is pretty unlikely, given that no bigots would be watching Milk in the first place.

Courtney Cox-Zucker: vernonFL: I haven't seen the movie yet but as soon as I saw the preview I thought: "Sean Penn plays a gay martyr? Oscar. Guaranteed."

In before the "full retard" quote.

/Sean Penn went full retard.
//Never go full retard.

Is it just me, or was Tropic Thunder really not that funny? I love Ben Stiller AND Robert Downey Jr. I thought Tom Cruise was the only really funny part of the movie - and I generally hate Tom Cruise.

We desperately need more Anchorman - a movie WORTH quoting.

RockofAges: Is it just me, or was Tropic Thunder really not that funny? I love Ben Stiller AND Robert Downey Jr. I thought Tom Cruise was the only really funny part of the movie - and I generally hate Tom Cruise.

We desperately need more Anchorman - a movie WORTH quoting.

Thank you. YES! Not a very good movie. Pineapple Express was miles and miles better.

Orange Crush: You can't go full retard and win an Oscar. You can go full gay though. :)


LOL.

40yoVirgin: I blame ignorance, bigotry, and absolute asshattery, not a movie.


Prop 8 was passed by the people of California via initiative....why do you hate democracy?

Orange Crush: You can't go full retard and win an Oscar.




and with that said, I'm Just Going To Leave This Right Here. Want to know why the Mormons voted and supported prop8? What to see why they ignored and broke the fundamental building blocks of their own church and church history to do so?

Fart_Machine: Yup, it was perfectly awful that the courts had to follow their own state constitution on the matter.

Now they're going to have to follow their own state constitution on the matter in a manner they might not like -- where it says that: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California"

Will they engage in blatant judicial activism, or will they follow the state constitution like they supposed to?

The_Sponge: 40yoVirgin: I blame ignorance, bigotry, and absolute asshattery, not a movie.


Prop 8 was passed by the people of California via initiative....why do you hate democracy?

Uh...why do you think disagreeing with a Proposition means that you hate democracy? Could it be that you're an ignorant bigoted asshat? Hmm...

I dunno. I think it had much more to do with moralizing, know-it-all religious pricks shoving their bigoted faith up everybody's ass.

SkinnyHead: Now they're going to have to follow their own state constitution on the matter in a manner they might not like -- where it says that: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California"

Will they engage in blatant judicial activism, or will they follow the state constitution like they supposed to?

You and I both know the clause discriminates against the intersexed and transgendered and thus can't be upheld under the equal protection clauses of the state constitution.

Silly.

SkinnyHead: Fart_Machine: Yup, it was perfectly awful that the courts had to follow their own state constitution on the matter.

Now they're going to have to follow their own state constitution on the matter in a manner they might not like -- where it says that: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California"

Will they engage in blatant judicial activism, or will they follow the state constitution like they supposed to?

I'm very much hoping for more activism. Just the activist judges on the US Supreme Court who overruled the voters of DC who voted to ban handgun. Thank God for activists like Scalia, Roberts, and Alito, who overruled the will of the people because the vote was unconstitutional.

eddiesocket: The_Sponge: 40yoVirgin: I blame ignorance, bigotry, and absolute asshattery, not a movie.


Prop 8 was passed by the people of California via initiative....why do you hate democracy?

Uh...why do you think disagreeing with a Proposition means that you hate democracy? Could it be that you're an ignorant bigoted asshat? Hmm...


No need to get personal. When the smoking ban passed in WA, people told me the same thing...."it was the will of the people...deal with it". So I'm playing devil's advocate here.

IMHO....gay marriage is a state law issue, not a federal law issue.

eddiesocket: I'm very much hoping for more activism. Just the activist judges on the US Supreme Court who overruled the voters of DC who voted to ban handgun. Thank God for activists like Scalia, Roberts, and Alito, who overruled the will of the people because the vote was unconstitutional.


Ever heard of the Second Amendment? Also, IIRC...it wasn't the voters of DC who passed a handgun ban, it was the city government.

A movie no one saw didn't cause anything to happen.

The_Sponge: 40yoVirgin: I blame ignorance, bigotry, and absolute asshattery, not a movie.


Prop 8 was passed by the people of California via initiative....why do you hate democracy?

It's unconstitutional. The equal protection clause prevents rights from being denied to a group of people while other groups are granted them. The constitution is there to protect against the tyrrany of the majority. If our social policy was based solely on the will of the people, we'd still live in a segregated society.

eddiesocket: SkinnyHead: Fart_Machine: Yup, it was perfectly awful that the courts had to follow their own state constitution on the matter.

Now they're going to have to follow their own state constitution on the matter in a manner they might not like -- where it says that: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California"

Will they engage in blatant judicial activism, or will they follow the state constitution like they supposed to?

I'm very much hoping for more activism. Just the activist judges on the US Supreme Court who overruled the voters of DC who voted to ban handgun. Thank God for activists like Scalia, Roberts, and Alito, who overruled the will of the people because the vote was unconstitutional.

Interesting, that. Looking at Wikipedia out of laziness for the Heller decision,

The D.C. government has indicated it will utilize zoning ordinances to prevent firearms dealers from operating and selling to citizens residing in the district, meaning it will remain almost impossible to buy a gun.[63] The D.C. government has also announced that it will continue to enforce a separate ban on magazine fed semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic handguns not considered in the Heller case.[64] Dick Heller's application to register his semi-automatic pistol was rejected because the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to the District's interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

So we can expect zoning ordinances and redefinitions at the local level.

Fawke that Guy.

SkinnyHead:
judicial activism

Translation: Judicial activism = rulings I don't agree with