Looks like a potential war criminal is a wee bit worried about his future. Funny, you didn't see these liars disavowing the run up to the war or how much it was not what they wanted, then.

Well, of course he couldn't have been an architect of it; we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Right.

If you keep saying it long enough, and loud enough, someone might believe it. But sadly, unless the AEI plan on scrubbing every Interwebs database, their own words are going to come and bite them on the ass. If you keep publishing papers to justify a policy position, then there's a record...

It should be interesting to see how self proclaimed "Libertarians" will out themselves over the next few months after carrying water for the Bushco and the AEI's fellows.

A failure is no one's child.

They can't even revise history right. "No I didn't" just doesn't cut it.

Not working, your Jedi mind trick is.

hubiestubert It should be interesting to see how self proclaimed "Libertarians" will out themselves over the next few months after carrying water for the Bushco and the AEI's fellows.

You don't see two philosophies much more opposed to each other than the neocon and the libertarian. And libertarians were by and large against the Iraq war. Am I misunderstanding something here?

Al Zeimer: hubiestubert It should be interesting to see how self proclaimed "Libertarians" will out themselves over the next few months after carrying water for the Bushco and the AEI's fellows.

You don't see two philosophies much more opposed to each other than the neocon and the libertarian. And libertarians were by and large against the Iraq war. Am I misunderstanding something here?

No, he/she's just a tool.

/leans libertarian and hates both the administration and the war

Al Zeimer: You don't see two philosophies much more opposed to each other than the neocon and the libertarian. And libertarians were by and large against the Iraq war. Am I misunderstanding something here?

He didn't really say those people were actual neocons. But, just as 2004/2006 brought out a lot of brand new libertarians...2008 will do the same.

Over the next two years, you won't be able to find a single person that actually stood behind Bush. They were all libertarians that were doing what was best for the country or some hogwash.

Part of that "mercilessly defend a political party, but deny supporting them while attacking the opposition" mentality.

More noble lies? Or just a lie to keep your ass out of prison?

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

Diogenes: They can't even revise history right. "No I didn't" just doesn't cut it.

Worked for him:

Well if it wasn't them...it must have been LIBERALS.

Car_Ramrod
Diogenes: They can't even revise history right. "No I didn't" just doesn't cut it.

Worked for him:

Funny. But after reading the lyrics, it seems (if I'm following it correctly) that Shaggy's talking to a friend who's advice is to say "It wasn't me" and Shaggy's response is all the ways in which the chick is going to know it was, in fact, him, and he's just going to apologize.

Perle should take that lesson.

From Publishers Weekly
News of neoconservatism's demise has been greatly exaggerated, according to prolific journalist Heilbrunn, who profiles the largely (though by no means exclusively) Jewish makeup of the movement. Heilbrunn roots his interpretation of neoconservatism's Jewish character in the American immigrant experience, the persistent memory of the Holocaust and Western appeasement of Hitler, among other phenomena.

That's weird because the beginning stages of the Iraq invasion (that would be planning up until day 3 or so of the occupation) almost exactly followed a template that PNAC theorized as a nation building exercise in the middle east years ago.

Also, strangely, there were many PNAC alumni in the administration at the time of the lead up to Iraq.

Just coincidences, I guess.

"Influential former Pentagon official Richard Perle has been exploring going into the oil business in Iraq and Kazakhstan, according to people with knowledge of the matter and documents outlining possible deals. "

Richard Perle, War Architect, Exploring Iraq Oil Deal (new window)

the_pgoat: Well, of course he couldn't have been an architect of it; we have always been at war with Eastasia.

+10, newsletter, cut of your jib, etc.

/surprising dearth of images of Not Me from GIS

Sybarite: A failure is no one's child.

I wonder how many times George H.W. and Barb have tried to make THAT claim.

fernt: "Influential former Pentagon official Richard Perle has been exploring going into the oil business in Iraq and Kazakhstan, according to people with knowledge of the matter and documents outlining possible deals. "

Richard Perle, War Architect, Exploring Iraq Oil Deal (new window)

I think the Taliban killed the wrong Pearl.

|X| Jim |X|: Sybarite: A failure is no one's child.

I wonder how many times George H.W. and Barb have tried to make THAT claim.

Dude, you could probably own an ISP with all the internets you've been given. Oh well, have another.

fernt: "Influential former Pentagon official Richard Perle has been exploring going into the oil business in Iraq and Kazakhstan, according to people with knowledge of the matter and documents outlining possible deals. "

Richard Perle, War Architect, Exploring Iraq Oil Deal (new window)

He's a class act, that one.

Dr Dreidel: Dude, you could probably own an ISP with all the internets you've been given. Oh well, have another.

Thanks. Looks like this one is going to have to go in the basement.

Generation_D; Looks like a potential war criminal is a wee bit worried about his future.

Exactly right. I doubt that the US government is ever going to investigate "the office of special plans" and Perle's key role in it, but if they do this man will hang for both war crimes and for being a high level Israeli espionage agent. What is good for Likud is not what is good for America, and putting that sentiment into action is treason, pure and simple.

This is a long read, but it is a footnoted history of Perle and his interactions with the US government. Link

Douglas Feith (new window)

Al Zeimer: hubiestubert It should be interesting to see how self proclaimed "Libertarians" will out themselves over the next few months after carrying water for the Bushco and the AEI's fellows.

You don't see two philosophies much more opposed to each other than the neocon and the libertarian. And libertarians were by and large against the Iraq war. Am I misunderstanding something here?

I do not remember libertarians being against war.

who will be the last one standing?

So, he's either a full blown idiot or a liar?

Alebak: So, he's either a full blown idiot or a liar?

Idiot when it comes to foreign policy, liar about everything else.

This is just par for the course: The Neocons are simply indifferent to the truth. What matters is action - specifically war. Everything else is irrelevant.

Pernicious Q. Varmint: This is just par for the course: The Neocons are simply indifferent to the truth. What matters is action - specifically war. Everything else is irrelevant.

Actually the neo-con goal seems to be a US led global hegemony and the preferred path to securing the middle east seems to be a military partnership with Israel. War is part of the plan, certainly, but it's not the main thrust. What happened in Iraq is merely PNAC doctrine going up against reality and losing. Most logical people would change their doctrine... PNAC true-believers try to change reality.

Pernicious Q. Varmint: This is just par for the course: The Neocons are simply indifferent to the truth. What matters is action - specifically war. Everything else is irrelevant.

More specifically, the neocons want to use American blood and treasure to take over the Middle East. They cloaked this in "keeping America safe!" but it was a lot more about keeping Israel safe.

It was an unholy coalition of oil interests and Zionist expansionism creating a perfect storm for a puppet president to walk into unaware and unprepared and as far as I can tell, uncaring.

As their spiritual leader Leo Straus taught them, "noble lies" are perfectly acceptable and actually necessary to dupe the gullible general public into doing "the right thing." In this case, the right thing for Israel.

Perle will continue to repeat his lies, and the media will continue to repeat it, and lies will become accepted history.

Works every time.

Richard, the godfather of you Neocons, German born Jew, Leo Straus promoted the "noble lie" not the "ignoble save my ass lie".

Sybarite: A failure is no one's child.

Wait a minute... Aren't we winning? Everyone, including those who opposed the war, is saying that.

GoodasGold: Richard, the godfather of you Neocons, German born Jew, Leo Straus promoted the "noble lie" not the "ignoble save my ass lie".

His reflexive anti-Semitism aside, GoodasGold has actually stumbled upon an important point here. The Neoconservative movement owes much of its intellectual pedigree to Leo Strauss, who was a genuinely frightening man. If you're not familiar with him, you ought to check out the Wiki (pops) and sources cited therein.

Um Yeah I do not remember libertarians being against war.

Here are a few examples:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/33701.html
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/04/05/its-not-about-competence-its-about-id e ology/
http://www.cato.org/research/articles/healy-030101.html
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5164
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/6538.html
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/6538.html
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/2973.html
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/2974.html

The last 4 are one series of articles. And of course, Ron Paul was one of very few Republicans to vote against the Iraq War resolution. Not that all libertarians were against the war, but most that I am familiar with were.

ahhhh, revisionist history. What else is the media for if not for the creation of his-story?

Lying sack of shiat.

/That is all.

Perle, Wolfowitz and Krystal should be drowned in a vat of bacon grease. You can just shoot the rest of them.

Oh, all they have to do is repeat it enough and the low-brow Fox News-Watchers will get in step. Pretty soon this fiction will be fact in their eyes. In fact, I foresee a day when the same people who supported the Iraq war now will argue that there never was an Iraq war.

The Force has a strong influence on the weak minded.

Move along.

Could somebody please explain to me how "An End To Evil" was not influential in justifying the neoconservative push for war? One that he would conveniently profit from?

It was all Saddam's Fault! That Heathen Muslim Communist Fascist warmongering peacemonger! He tricked America into invading by telling the truth about not having WMD when he really did not have WMD!

America should invade Iran just to teach that crafty Saddam a lesson!

An end to evil? Be careful what you wish for. He could come back and bite you in the ass.

Al Zeimer: hubiestubert It should be interesting to see how self proclaimed "Libertarians" will out themselves over the next few months after carrying water for the Bushco and the AEI's fellows.

You don't see two philosophies much more opposed to each other than the neocon and the libertarian. And libertarians were by and large against the Iraq war. Am I misunderstanding something here?

You are misunderstanding.

Suddenly, as the election went on, we saw a bunch of folks spouting a lot of talking points, while claiming to be Independents. The "Fark Independent" League has been working itself towards reforming and reinventing themselves as being Libertarians all along.

They're about as Independent, and about as Libertarian, as I am a 6' tall ballerina with tripe-E bewbs and a foot fetish. But, the drive to reinvent themselves, and still spout their inane babble and try to do so from a perch that is supposedly removed from the fray is amusing to a degree, as it is sort of transparent.

There are some fine Libertarians, and while I don't agree with a great deal that goes on that party, I can at least respect a few of the folks that post who are, because they have actually thought about the party and its positions. I may not agree with them, but those are other debates. It is sort of sad that folks feel that they can't just say, "I listen to a lot of Rush and Hannity, and really like their newsletters."

It's about as disingenuous and misleading as Mr. Perle trying to distance himself from his own statements. It shows a lack of character...

Perle, Wolfowitz and Feith should be publicly hanged on the Whitehouse lawn.