Who the hell do these people think they're fooling?

WTF did they think was going to happen? A unicorn was going to show up on the Mall and start pooping million dollar bills? They spend money like it's not real and look what happens.

/farkers.

Too bad we never got to invade Iran, that would have helped.

Surprised like a drunk who finally sees his bar tab.

Nabb1: Surprised like a drunk who finally sees his bar tab.

A rather apt comparison. I like it.

This is like all those baby boomers heading into retirement. They just snuck up on us!

I get the impression that when you hand out 700 billion that some smart businessmen start saying "who's gonna miss a measly 5 million"?

Now multiply that by 100 businessmen.

Diogenes: This is like all those baby boomers heading into retirement. They just snuck up on us!

They better watch the fark out. They may have the votes, but we get to pick their retirement homes. I say we start perusing reruns of "60 Minutes" to find some if they don't play nice.

Nabb1: Diogenes: This is like all those baby boomers heading into retirement. They just snuck up on us!

They better watch the fark out. They may have the votes, but we get to pick their retirement homes. I say we start perusing reruns of "60 Minutes" to find some if they don't play nice.

LOL. I threaten to put my grandmother in a "ho ho." She can't bring herself to say "home."

I wonder what the grace period is on the $500k china set that Laura just got for the White House.(cough, bullshiat, cough) Maybe Obama can return it and use the money for one of his programs.

I guess this means everyone will be so disgusted with their own Congresscritters that they won't win reelection next time around...

/and nobody will vote D or R either, cuz' they are two shades of the same color
//things ain't gonna change, unfortunately

You guys are thinking about it the wrong way. It's only $4,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.

I talked to my manager and you can each pay that off with monthly payments of only $33.33 each over ten years, if interest rates stay near zero.

What is going to take to get you into this deficit today?

notmtwain: What is going to take to get you into this deficit today?

No charge for the undercoatingwriting.

When I was a kid, that was considered a lot of money.

/YA RLY.

40yoVirgin: I guess this means everyone will be so disgusted with their own Congresscritters that they won't win reelection next time around...

haha, that's a pretty good joke.

You can do better than that. Start a few more wars, or just build a capital building sized furnace for burning money.

That's short a zero for the whole thing.

Nabb1: Diogenes: This is like all those baby boomers heading into retirement. They just snuck up on us!

They better watch the fark out. They may have the votes, but we get to pick their retirement homes. I say we start perusing reruns of "60 Minutes" to find some if they don't play nice.



You can trouble me for a warm glass of shut-the-hell-up. Now, you will go to sleep or I will put you to sleep. Check out the name tag. You're in my world now, grandma.

Man, Bush is really going out with a bang.

Of course. Obama is talking about spending money that would directly impact average citizens and not just the people who stuffed their campaign war chests. Something tells me if the airlines or another industry say they also need $700B this objection will fade away.

We are already in Iraq. Can we stop pretending we are there for democracy and take the oil now?

Problem solved.

For the millionth time. We were solvent before 1980. I hope you all enjoyed your free lunch with a side order of how awesome you are. Because that's what 12 trillion dollars bought the last 30 years. I will never forgive Reagan voters -- or the entire culture in both parties that learned to feel good and pat yourself on the back while resting on FDRs laurels. Never.

That's more zeroes than a War of Warcraft session.

DarnoKonrad: For the millionth time. We were solvent before 1980. I hope you all enjoyed your free lunch with a side order of how awesome you are. Because that's what 12 trillion dollars bought the last 30 years. I will never forgive Reagan voters -- or the entire culture in both parties that learned to feel good and pat yourself on the back while resting on FDRs laurels. Never.

Reagan left office twenty years ago. I'd say blaming him for this current fiscal insanity is pretty weak considering there was a period of some discipline in the mid to late 1990's when Clinton and Congress managed to live beneath their means for a bit. Blaming Reagan for this budget is like blaming Ray Croc when McDonald's takes the McRib off the menu.

Mugato: That's more zeroes than a War of Warcraft session.

huh?

the us is too big to fail

gustakooka: We are already in Iraq. Can we stop pretending we are there for democracy and take the oil now?

Problem solved.

Oddly enough I agree with you. Let's drop the pretenses.

Well, at least the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to usher in a golden age of the Ownership Society worked, right?

// what? record foreclosures? record consumer debt? falling real wages? all that AND a lower top rate?
// the rich (primarily those in financial management) got us into this mess; they can hitch up their $2,000 belts and give 3% more

You know why our deficit is so big?


Global warming.

Nabb1: Blaming Reagan for this budget is like blaming Ray Croc when McDonald's takes the McRib off the menu.

Heh!

gustakooka: We are already in Iraq. Can we stop pretending we are there for democracy and take the oil now?


Given the relatively small percentage of our oil that comes from Iraq and the fact that it was never realistic that we could simply take or even control their oil fields, the "war for oil" thing is bullshiat.

It's like the UFO conspiracies. The government would much rather us think that they're hiding aliens than compromise the weapons they're developing. Just as they would rather us think all this is horseshiat in the mideast is for oil rather than the real reasons we're there.

gustakooka: We are already in Iraq. Can we stop pretending we are there for democracy and take the oil now?

Problem solved.

Historically many/if not all wars were fought for assets, strategic land holdings, natural resources.

Why can't we go back to that again.

Wait do you're saying that Obama's plan for increasing spending while cutting taxes doesn't make any sense?

It's time for everyone to wake up...

Nabb1: Blaming Reagan for this budget is like blaming Ray Croc when McDonald's takes the McRib off the menu.

Wow gramps, way to make a timely joke. Ray Croc-ZING!



Don't let reality hit you in the ass on your way out the thread.

xtragrind: Wait do you're saying that Obama's plan for increasing spending while cutting taxes doesn't make any sense?

It's time for everyone to wake up...

What would you have us to in the midst of a deep recession? I tend to agree that he might be going too far at this point, but deficit spending is absolutely necessary in a recession. The time to balance the budget was late 90's and 2004-2007, not now.

Nabb1: I'd say blaming him for this current fiscal insanity is pretty weak considering there was a period of some discipline in the mid to late 1990's when Clinton and Congress managed to live beneath their means for a bit.

What? Is that a joke? Didn't we bail out Mexico under Clinton's watch, and then remove the same banking regulations (Glass-Steagall) that helped to get us in this mess?

*yawn*

/wake me up when the revolution comes.

absoluteparanoia: Wow gramps, way to make a timely joke. Ray Croc-ZING!

Yeah, that was the point. That's a firm grasp of the obvious you have there.

Don't let reality hit you in the ass on your way out the thread.

The national debt is not the same thing as the federal budget deficit. Maybe your grasp of the obvious isn't that firm after all.

Nabb1: The national debt is not the same thing as the federal budget deficit. Maybe your grasp of the obvious isn't that firm after all.

I would venture to suggest that the two are related. d/dx f(debt) = f(deficit), or something like that, homez.

Nabb1: Diogenes: This is like all those baby boomers heading into retirement. They just snuck up on us!

They better watch the fark out. They may have the votes, but we get to pick their retirement homes. I say we start perusing reruns of "60 Minutes" to find some if they don't play nice.

I say we just eliminate medicare and social security. They're unsustainable.

Mugato: gustakooka: We are already in Iraq. Can we stop pretending we are there for democracy and take the oil now?


Given the relatively small percentage of our oil that comes from Iraq and the fact that it was never realistic that we could simply take or even control their oil fields, the "war for oil" thing is bullshiat.

It's like the UFO conspiracies. The government would much rather us think that they're hiding aliens than compromise the weapons they're developing. Just as they would rather us think all this is horseshiat in the mideast is for oil rather than the real reasons we're there.

Which would be?

Why are we in Iraq?

Senescent Dawn: I would venture to suggest that the two are related. d/dx f(debt) = f(deficit), or something like that, homez.

Absolutely they are related, but it's not the whole picture. I find it funny (well, tragic, actually) that many of the same party shills screaming that Bush's deficit's were "mortgaging our grandkids' futures" are now defending an even LARGER federal budget deficit. Hope and change, indeed.

Nabb1: The national debt is not the same thing as the federal budget deficit. Maybe your grasp of the obvious isn't that firm after all.

See the negative slope on the blue lines? That's a shrinking deficit/growing GDP. See the positive slope? That's a rising deficit/shrinking GDP.

Maybe you should learn how to derive.

But please don't drink and derive.

AND BLAME IT ON THE DEMOCRATS. AFTER ALL, THEY'VE HAD MAJORITIES IN CONGRESS FOR TWO WHOLE YEARS!!! WOW, TWO!

AND FORGET THAT REPUGS HAVE HAD CONGRESS FROM 1994 UNTIL 2006. FORGET THAT PART, OKAY STUPID AMERICAN

have a nice day!

How to solve the national debt:

Do not make any medicare or social security payments to anybody until their assets are depleted.

Think that's not fair? Well consider that all these SS/Medicare recipents, who are in the wealthiest age demographic, are receiving direct wealth transfer payments from people who by and large haven't even yet had the chance to accumulate any assets.

this is all clearly Bill Clinton's fault.

And Barney Frank.

wolvernova: I say we just eliminate medicare and social security. They're Its unsustainable.

FTFY.

wolvernova: I say we just eliminate medicare and social security. They're unsustainable.

That's a stupid idea. A better one would be to raise the age of social security/medicaid benefits to the median lifespan.

When these programs were created, the median lifespan was 64.5. Benefits began at 65.

Now that the median lifespan is pushing 80, we're paying for people to take 15-20 year vacations.

Start raising the age now. Compromise and make it 70-75.

We could also fund the entire system by spending half as much as we do on elective wars and the military. Or by not bailing out Wall Street.

absoluteparanoia: See the negative slope on the blue lines? That's a shrinking deficit/growing GDP. See the positive slope? That's a rising deficit/shrinking GDP.

Maybe you should learn how to derive.

But please don't drink and derive.

So, you are defending the planned fiscal policy to run a budget deficit of over $1 trillion annually for the foreseeable future? This is a good thing? And you see that red line continuing to increase? Are you defending that?

Who is Ray Croc? Did he get the name due to an unfortunate swamp-related incident?

Nabb1 can't handle the truth