Or round up votes to re-elect a county sheriff.

more deputies ftw

He's got a point. I'm in Maricopa county and the only radar ticket I ever received was after leaving a bar with too much to drink. I'm pretty sure I would have had a DUI instead of a traffic ticket had I actually been pulled over.

That was 20 years ago, luckily I never pushed that particular envelope again.

In other news, Pinal County to apply for Federal bailout funds in 5...4...3...2


Not saying it's right, but the primary reason for those things is money.

I commute to Pinal County because Tucson SUCKS. I only live in Tucson because my husband is Air Force and we have to live near the base. I lived in Tucson for 28 years and there have been no changes. Constant road construction and no way to get around the city.

MsInterpreted: That was 20 years ago, luckily I never pushed that particular envelope again.

Yup, as long as you do only one illegal activity at a time you are generally not going to get caught. That's my rule when doing activities the government deems illegal.

Example:

Trunk full of cocaine in a car with up to date tags, insurance, and maintenance. A driver with a valid license, and pre-arranged cover story who is doing the speed limit and obeying all traffic rules. = Not going to get caught.

Trunk full of cocaine in a stolen car and a driver with no license weaving in traffic 20 mph over the limit. = Going to get caught.

Note for those without a sarcasm detector: I have not done the above activities.

Now if we can just get this man to talk to all the idiot municipalities about those retarded crash-causing red-light cameras.

Some police see cameras as competition. Some see cameras as revenue. The chief of a town near me was willing to support cameras with the expectation that his department would get some of the revenue.

Crosshair: I have not done the above activities.

I didn't think you had. Who among us can honestly claim to have obeyed all traffic rules?

ZAZ: I didn't think you had. Who among us can honestly claim to have obeyed all traffic rules?

OK, you had me laughing good with that. Well done.

Crosshair: ZAZ: I didn't think you had. Who among us can honestly claim to have obeyed all traffic rules?

OK, you had me laughing good with that. Well done.

I have, really, no really I have...

The mods on the GTI, track days only, really!

never ever speed.


Nope!

never ever speed.

I bet you spend a lot of time pulled over as required by law when more than five cars are following you.

Pretty much the Sheriff laid it out. The drive for cameras is dumb, because it does nothing but generate revenue, and it doesn't promote public safety.

In Maricopa, we've got a ton of cameras on the 10 and 101, and the 17 now. All they do is get folks to slow down for the enforcement zone, and then surge after the zone is passed. You can't maintain a steady speed on any of the roads that there are camera zones, because people drop down to 5-10 miles UNDER the speed limit when the zones come up, and then race 10-25 miles over as soon as they pass them.

So, the argument that it promotes better driving habits just goes out the window.

Let's not get into the false positives that have been generated when folks in the farthest lane trigger the cameras and people in the middle lanes are hit for those tickets. Let's not get into the existence of pairing of companies who ONLY exist to parse this data, and the cries of corruption that have sprung from these very narrow interests. It's not about curbing speed--cameras don't do that, they only encourage yo-yo driving--it's certainly not about fuel efficiency--the yo-yo effect just eats up MORE gas--it's just to generate some revenue. Gas companies are happy, because they get to sell more gas. The traffic "solutions" companies are happy, because they have sold the state a program that doesn't really do much but put cash into their own pockets and accomplishes no real civic goal, and the police are happy enough to get folks to just hand them cash, so they can instead cut their patrols, to save more payroll.

The situation doesn't improve public safety though. And that should be the real drive for a new program.

hubiestubert: Pretty much the Sheriff laid it out. The drive for cameras is dumb, because it does nothing but generate revenue, and it doesn't promote public safety.

Get used to it. Cameras are cheap, cops are expensive, and revenue is even more necessary during a recession.

Governor Janet Napolitano backed all this crap. I just hope she never gets a job where she might have to balance citizen privacy with security.

Hehe, "Pinal"

If you live in Pinal County, please vote for Paul Babeu whenever he comes up for election. We need more people like that working for us in the government. He seems like one of the few chaps who understands that government is around to serve the people - not the other way around.

"I am against it, not only because I'm a strict constitutionalist, but I believe that the main only purpose, is it's driven to create money for the government, in this budget deficit that's what the whole design is"

FTFY

We have a plethora of speed cameras here in England and not once have they stopped a drunk driver, someone talking on their cell phone, improper lane changes, etc. Yet for some reason the local cops think that the presence of speed cameras means that they can totally ignore the highways. I very rarely see cops on the roads, as if speeding was our biggest driving-related problem.

Waaahhhh!!! Someone is efficiently stopping me from breaking the law! It's only 5 KPH over the limit officer.. Waaahhhhh!!!

Crosshair: MsInterpreted: That was 20 years ago, luckily I never pushed that particular envelope again.

Yup, as long as you do only one illegal activity at a time you are generally not going to get caught. That's my rule when doing activities the government deems illegal.

Example:

Trunk full of cocaine in a car with up to date tags, insurance, and maintenance. A driver with a valid license, and pre-arranged cover story who is doing the speed limit and obeying all traffic rules. = Not going to get caught.

Trunk full of cocaine in a stolen car and a driver with no license weaving in traffic 20 mph over the limit. = Going to get caught.

Note for those without a sarcasm detector: I have not done the above activities.




it's a precise business

Huzzah, evidence of common sense in law enforcement. I do hope it's catching.

Snipe speed and red light cameras , Its eazy and fun .
/One Shot One Kill

The guy supports red light cameras but not speed cameras. Make up your farking mind. Personally, I support both.

This is a model for politicians everywhere.

1. Campaign to remove red light cameras / speeding cameras
2. Win election
3. Remove the cameras

FormlessOne: hubiestubert: Pretty much the Sheriff laid it out. The drive for cameras is dumb, because it does nothing but generate revenue, and it doesn't promote public safety.

Get used to it. Cameras are cheap, cops are expensive, and revenue is even more necessary during a recession.

I just wish people in Arizona knew how to farking drive is all. It's a speed limit, you don't have to go near it, you can actually drive it. Just put the needle on the number the signs say. You don't get extra credit for driving under the speed limit in traffic.

And WTF is up with four lanes of traffic, all staggered out, so that half of them are in each others' blind spots, all traveling the same damn speed? Massachusetts drivers are assholes, but at least we damn well know to move over to the right if we're slower than the left lanes are moving so folks can pass, and it leads to less start and stop and darting in and out of lanes.

MIguy: The guy supports red light cameras but not speed cameras. Make up your farking mind. Personally, I support both.

Why, does it stop the behavior that is endangering people, or just making (very little, the companies take 90+%) money for the state, county, city...

hubiestubert: Pretty much the Sheriff laid it out. The drive for cameras is dumb, because it does nothing but generate revenue, and it doesn't promote public safety.

In Maricopa, we've got a ton of cameras on the 10 and 101, and the 17 now. All they do is get folks to slow down for the enforcement zone, and then surge after the zone is passed. You can't maintain a steady speed on any of the roads that there are camera zones, because people drop down to 5-10 miles UNDER the speed limit when the zones come up, and then race 10-25 miles over as soon as they pass them.

So, the argument that it promotes better driving habits just goes out the window.

Let's not get into the false positives that have been generated when folks in the farthest lane trigger the cameras and people in the middle lanes are hit for those tickets. Let's not get into the existence of pairing of companies who ONLY exist to parse this data, and the cries of corruption that have sprung from these very narrow interests. It's not about curbing speed--cameras don't do that, they only encourage yo-yo driving--it's certainly not about fuel efficiency--the yo-yo effect just eats up MORE gas--it's just to generate some revenue. Gas companies are happy, because they get to sell more gas. The traffic "solutions" companies are happy, because they have sold the state a program that doesn't really do much but put cash into their own pockets and accomplishes no real civic goal, and the police are happy enough to get folks to just hand them cash, so they can instead cut their patrols, to save more payroll.

The situation doesn't improve public safety though. And that should be the real drive for a new program.
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I havn't seen anyone who has been able to say, with ample evidence, that the program has no public safety benefits.

/Lived in Chandler
//The corner next to my parents house was one of the first with a redlight camera early this decade
///Havn't been as many deaths since
////People are driving a little better too

RoyBatty: Governor Janet Napolitano backed all this crap. I just hope she never gets a job where she might have to balance citizen privacy with security.

You funny

hubiestubert: FormlessOne: hubiestubert: Pretty much the Sheriff laid it out. The drive for cameras is dumb, because it does nothing but generate revenue, and it doesn't promote public safety.

Get used to it. Cameras are cheap, cops are expensive, and revenue is even more necessary during a recession.

I just wish people in Arizona knew how to farking drive is all. It's a speed limit, you don't have to go near it, you can actually drive it. Just put the needle on the number the signs say. You don't get extra credit for driving under the speed limit in traffic.

And WTF is up with four lanes of traffic, all staggered out, so that half of them are in each others' blind spots, all traveling the same damn speed? Massachusetts drivers are assholes, but at least we damn well know to move over to the right if we're slower than the left lanes are moving so folks can pass, and it leads to less start and stop and darting in and out of lanes.

Re driving same speed in all lanes: Because we're not used to being a big city yet. For example: I went on the light rail we just finished last week during a free ride period. Overly crowded because everyone wants to see our new multimillion dollar public transit toy. Roll up to a stop on what the locals think is a full car, and a bunch of guys from chicago get on like its the L. The old people were a little miffed.
Point being, the long time natives here don't know how to deal with crowds and city living. Don't know if/when that will ever change

These cameras make that people who do not respect the law pay for it while freeing up police time for other things. This guy has it backwards.

huhh huhhh, you said Pinal

/uhm that's penal Butthead
//Shut up assmunch!
///God I miss that show.

Grunhilde Gonzalez: These cameras make that people who do not respect the law pay for it while freeing up police time for other things. This guy has it backwards.

1 out of 10.

Phoenix has these fixed laser camera installations about every 3 miles on I-10 now. It looks like a maximum-security freeway, with everybody driving exactly the speed limit now.

It's pretty funny, really. Having grown up in California, the concept of every car doing exactly the limit is something of a novelty.

The end result is actually a nicer driving experience. Things were getting way out of hand in the past ten years or so.

For those biatching about traffic cameras, here's an idea:

STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE

I once asked a cop for directions. We both were on foot on a sidewalk. I knew I was close to the post office, but wasn't sure where it was.

I very politely asked him if he knew where the post office was.

His reply was "Yes".

I never wanted to assault a cop in my life more than that moment.

What a farking asshat.

Pittsburgh cops are douchebags.

cherbear716

I commute to Pinal County because Tucson SUCKS. I only live in Tucson because my husband is Air Force and we have to live near the base. I lived in Tucson for 28 years and there have been no changes. Constant road construction and no way to get around the city.

Tucsonans took one look at Phoenix and said "yeah...NO" and we've resisted and voted against every freeway proposal since then.

We ride our bikes to work, get loaded on 4th Avenue, and give car drivers the effin bird.

/no you can't kill Tucson.
// not yours

Pinal.

How long before someone in the profit stream finds a way to get rid of this sheriff?

Ending camera enforcement and the millions of dollars it generates is the kind of thing that gets people in the system really pissed off. This sheriff better be perfect, without a single vice or flaw or the soon we'll being some headline about his private life or how he didn't write someone a speeding ticket 20 years ago or anything else they can use to wreck him politically and get a sheriff that will go along with the thieves in government.

I support speed cameras and red light cameras.

People drive like animals anymore. It isn't cool, nor are you impressing the people you nearly clip with your "driving skills".

All you're doing is breaking the social contract to be cool with your fellow drivers.

Screw you and your ricer/hotrod/megatruck. Take that horsecrap to a track or off road somewhere we don't have to risk being around you.

/good day.

Grunhilde Gonzalez: These cameras make that people who do not respect the law pay for it while freeing up police time for other things. This guy has it backwards.

THIS

ZAZ: Who among us can honestly claim to have obeyed all traffic rules?

I've obeyed every single one at one time or another.

I read that as Pineal County.

/needs to stop grading papers

studebaker hoch: I support speed cameras and red light cameras.

And yet time and time again studies have proven that neither of them improve safety. They are both revenue generators - nothing more. As long as they sell them as such - I don't have an issue - but don't sell them as "improving safety" because they don't.

and pre-arranged cover story

winnnnn--

The cameras cause accidents due to people slamming on their brakes or being blinded by the flash at night. But yeah... they're for "safety". :rollseyes:

But on the bright side since they went nuts with the cameras in Phoenix you hardly ever see a real cop on the freeways - so if you know where the cameras are and keep an eye out for the mobile ones you can haul some major ass!

...not that I would do such a thing :-)

Its_A_Tarp: If you live in Pinal County, please vote for Paul Babeu whenever he comes up for election. We need more people like that working for us in the government. He seems like one of the few chaps who understands that government is around to serve the people - not the other way around.


Hmmm. I see what you mean, the only way to fix that is to elect him.

bravian

And yet time and time again studies have proven that neither of them improve safety. They are both revenue generators - nothing more. As long as they sell them as such - I don't have an issue - but don't sell them as "improving safety" because they don't.

If it gets these dicktards to drive the limit and actually "stop" for red lights, that's close enough for me.

Crosshair: Yup, as long as you do only one illegal activity at a time you are generally not going to get caught. That's my rule when doing activities the government deems illegal.

That's always been my rule as well. It's neat to hear someone else say it. Riding around with weed? Leave the gun at home.

mizchief: Crosshair: Yup, as long as you do only one illegal activity at a time you are generally not going to get caught. That's my rule when doing activities the government deems illegal.

That's always been my rule as well. It's neat to hear someone else say it. Riding around with weed? Leave the gun at home.

Very Tru Dat...

One more vote for "only do one bad thing at a time".

/Most kids learn that in high school or earlier.

Crosshair: Trunk full of cocaine in a stolen car and a driver with no license weaving in traffic 20 mph over the limit. = Going to get caught.

I always wondered why the guys caught transporting 100kg of cocaine from Miami to New York think it's a good idea to drive erratically at 90 mph on I-95. I suppose you don't hear about the smarter ones since they aren't caught.