submitter: Though Obama is more moderate

Their concern concerns me since they assured us Obama was a demonic disciple of Marx. Is he consulting the ghost of Trotsky?

What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

TheOther: Their concern concerns me since they assured us Obama was a demonic disciple of Marx. Is he consulting the ghost of Trotsky?

Concerns are all they have left. Well, that and the senate filibuster.

I guess that's what happens when you prove your policies suck and no one should listen to you.

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

That charge would carry more credibility if it weren't constantly leveled against every Democrat who runs for office.

Color me surprised.

Obama a liberal? He's somewhat to the right of center.

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

As compared to...?

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

Just like John Kerry when he ran for President. And, amazingly, when looking at the voting records on which Clinton and Obama were judged on...there was something like 2 vote decisions different that made Clinton 8th and Obama 1st. It's like they stacked the deck to make things come out the way they wanted. Shocking.

Of course, considering the craptastic way that the "right" ran the government for the past 8 years, I'll happily take someone that is totally and completely opposite of that.

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

Who just appointed one of the most moderate Cabinets we've seen in a long time...

If he was as hard Left as you seem to think, the Democrats would have never given him the position. He's not Kucinich for chrissakes. Just because he's antiwar doesn't make him a radical.

shivashakti: If he was as hard Left as you seem to think, the Democrats would have never given him the position. He's not Kucinich for chrissakes. Just because he's antiwar doesn't make him a radical.

I find it hard to believe that Obama is not living up to the ridiculous talking point strawmen that the right builds for him.

It concerns me some of you are concerned. This is Fark, for chrissakes. Take your stupid concern out in the real world.

B-b-b-but they're only doing this out of CONCERN!!!1! Ƞ


/obvious concern troll is obvious

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

So?

It's called balance. We've had eight years of a military-corporate-theocracy, and there's a lot of work to be undone.

Funny, I was thinking the opposite. Obama is a very liberal guy, but he's been appointing people who are too moderate.

Funny how this politics thing works. We see whatever gives us the most to biatch about.

Conservatives fear that some of these Obama transition advisers are too far left on the political spectrum and are a sign of radical policies to come.



1. you lost. STFU.
2. Bush - a nominally conservative president and champion of the GOP - nationalized the farking banking industry. that's about as 'left wing' as it gets. And the GOP signed off on it. STFU about 'left wingers' because the GOP has become a bunch of lefties.
3. you lost. STFU.

Well I see exactly what I expected to see in here. And now that it's gone green, I expect the League of Fail^TM to show up in 3...2...1...

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

President Bush *nationalized* the banking industry in this country. He farking nationalized the financial system of this country. You cannot get any more left wing than that. The only way for Obama to top Bush's shift to the left would be to put troops on the streets and start putting people into re-education camps.

I am both amazed and disgusted at the shallow and ultimately pathetic attempts by what remains of the GOP operatives in this country to paint Obama as some kind of dangerous 'left wing' politican. C'mon man! wake up and look around! You want to get rid of the lefties, start by dumping about 90% of the GOP leadership. THEN we can talk about Obama being 'left wing'.

Bladel: It's called balance. We've had eight years of a military-corporate-theocracy, and there's a lot of work to be undone.

If you believe any of it will be "undone", you need a get back on your meds. If anything, it will be expanded. They will realize real quick, if there is anyone left who hasn't already, how fun power is. That whole power corrupts dealio and Rahm Emmanuel is chief of staff. They're going to keep "protecting you and keeping you safe" and sending you checks too. It's already NOTHING like it was pitched in the election campaigns.

Weaver95: President Bush *nationalized* the banking industry in this country. He farking nationalized the financial system of this country. You cannot get any more left wing than that. The only way for Obama to top Bush's shift to the left would be to put troops on the streets and start putting people into re-education camps.

I still believe he got his arm twisted but I generally agree. Pelosi/Frank/Reid/Schumer...all of them jumped all over his bailouts and now it's a norm.

GaryPDX: I still believe he got his arm twisted but I generally agree. Pelosi/Frank/Reid/Schumer...all of them jumped all over his bailouts and now it's a norm.

The entire Republican party should have instantly and loudly repudiated and rejected Bush's bailout plan. you *cannot* nationalize an industry and then try to call yourself 'conservative'.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: I still believe he got his arm twisted but I generally agree. Pelosi/Frank/Reid/Schumer...all of them jumped all over his bailouts and now it's a norm.

The entire Republican party should have instantly and loudly repudiated and rejected Bush's bailout plan. you *cannot* nationalize an industry and then try to call yourself 'conservative'.

As I recall, Boner and the Republicans in the House were pretty damned vocal against it. I completely agree with you there.

well, to be fair, bush had quite a few liberals as his advisors along with the other right wing advisors he had as well. so i can certainly understand this journalists concern. after all, we all see the great shape the country is in after the balance of the current administration had its chance to really change things for the better.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: I still believe he got his arm twisted but I generally agree. Pelosi/Frank/Reid/Schumer...all of them jumped all over his bailouts and now it's a norm.

The entire Republican party should have instantly and loudly repudiated and rejected Bush's bailout plan. you *cannot* nationalize an industry and then try to call yourself 'conservative'.

Actually, they've shown you can. No conservative, aside from you, says anything about the nationalization of banks being against the core values of the Republican party. They find a way to blame liberals and ignore what they did. They still delude themselves into thinking they are for small government. I can't figure out how they do it, but they do it well.

Heh, now Obama is a moderate? I remember when they were calling him the "most liberal member of Congress" or something like that.

Stay butthurt there, neocons, it's entertaining.

adamgreeney: Actually, they've shown you can. No conservative, aside from you, says anything about the nationalization of banks being against the core values of the Republican party.

Oh i'm not the only one, there are plenty of others who see Bush as nothing more than a lying socialist. that's why the Republican party is quietly tearing itself apart right now. They're just not talking about it openly.

I think we'll have to wait and see how the midterm elections turn out. then we'll have a better idea of how things are going to go with the Republicans.

bales: bush had quite a few liberals as his advisors

Really? who?

Weaver95: adamgreeney: Actually, they've shown you can. No conservative, aside from you, says anything about the nationalization of banks being against the core values of the Republican party.

Oh i'm not the only one, there are plenty of others who see Bush as nothing more than a lying socialist. that's why the Republican party is quietly tearing itself apart right now. They're just not talking about it openly.

I think we'll have to wait and see how the midterm elections turn out. then we'll have a better idea of how things are going to go with the Republicans.

I know there are people in the party sure, but i'm talking about the public. Look at your dad. Didn't you say that he just glosses over the bank bailout? I'm more worried about the general population being unable to see reality.

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

But but but - i thought Obama never voted so how can you tell if he was one of the most leftist Senators in the history of the institution??

Gee I am sorry the Conservatives are upset that Obama is working to eliminate bigotry from the Administration.

GaryPDX: As I recall, Boner and the Republicans in the House were pretty damned vocal against it. I completely agree with you there.

You recall incorrectly. Boehner was profoundly in favor of the banking bailout, and then McCain had the audacity to blame the failure of the first bailout measure (which both he and Obama supported) on partisanship, even though the nay votes were split amongst the very liberal and the very conservative.

bravian: But but but - i thought Obama never voted so how can you tell if he was one of the most leftist Senators in the history of the institution??

Apparently voting "present" (which you can do in the Illinois State Senate, but not the US Senate) is "liberal" now.

Ooh, look a deceased equine! Now where did Quatchi leave his stick?

BillCo: What concerns me is that this idiot thinks Obama ia a moderate. He is one of the most leftist Senators in he history of the institution.

Wot concerns Quatchi is that BillCo seems to be swallowing his Rtard talking points whole w/o chewing first.

Careful now son, parroting ludicrous unsubstantiated claims is always fun until someone starts to choke.

/Only saying that outta concern. ^_^

Lundah: Apparently voting "present" (which you can do in the Illinois State Senate, but not the US Senate) is "liberal" now.

Well - the 'present' has a liberal bias...

Conservatives are concerned that Obama's advisors are too liberal: "Though Obama is more moderate, that makes you wonder what kind of advice the president is given"

I wonder if these remarks were made during one of the frequent conference calls and prayer breakfasts that GWB had with evangelicals?

ArbitraryConstant: I guess that's what happens when you prove your policies suck and no one should listen to you.

Why would that stop Republicans? It has never stopped the Democrats.

Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

adamgreeney: I know there are people in the party sure, but i'm talking about the public. Look at your dad. Didn't you say that he just glosses over the bank bailout? I'm more worried about the general population being unable to see reality.

Actually, I had a conversation with Dad about this sort of thing several days ago (sometimes during the Christmas break anyways). He still violently rejects the idea that Bush is a socialist. I've given him article after article after article pointing out how Bush (and the GOP) have shifted Left and are now socialists. Also pointed out the parallels between Mussolini's fiscal policies in 1937 and Bush's decisions in 2008. Again - he just ignored the data and tried to blame 'the unions' for all our fiscal troubles.

What always bothers me is how Dad will say that 'our economy is fine' and yet completely ignore the fact that he's been out of work for nearly 3 years now and been forced to sleep on my couch for the past year and a half. I don't mention it to him though, since that'd start a fight I'd rather not finish. And he's not alone either. I know of several other people who've been forced to move back in with parents and/or children because of the tanking economy.

I just look around me and I see nothing good happening in the next year. And the Republicans aren't in any position to be much of a help.

It's also my understanding from all the hype that his knees are sprouting and expanding at an exponential rate. This is most troublesome.

MIguy: Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

I know that I certainly wouldn't want to have to fix our economic mess. Bush's policy decisions really farked us over. you'd have to be nuts to want to be on the hook for trying to fix this thing.

MIguy: Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

Link? The only reference I see to this is on freerepublic, and it's just a blurb.

it's clear that Obama does not have enough 'executive experience'

make me some tea: MIguy: Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

Link? The only reference I see to this is on freerepublic, and it's just a blurb.

Oh nm I found it.

MIguy: Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

by the way - got a link to this allegation? I can't seem to find anything about it on the major news sites.

Who cares what conservatives think? Their laissez-faire ideology has sunk our economy.

To hell with Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan.

MIguy: Haha Obama's administration is already falling apart. Bill Richardson just withdrew his appointment as Commerce Secretary.

I guess all is not so great in Utopia Land. I bet he regrets stuffing Clinton the high hard one.

Snark aside..I wonder what this is all about?

/searching...

Ah! found it on MSNBC.

""Let me say unequivocally that I and my Administration have acted properly in all matters and that this investigation will bear out that fact," he said Sunday in a report by NBC News' Andrea Mitchell. "But I have concluded that the ongoing investigation also would have forced an untenable delay in the confirmation process."

so he's not dropping out because of Obama but because he knows that he'll get reamed in the confirmation process and that it'll hurt Obama.

Weaver95: adamgreeney: I know there are people in the party sure, but i'm talking about the public. Look at your dad. Didn't you say that he just glosses over the bank bailout? I'm more worried about the general population being unable to see reality.

Actually, I had a conversation with Dad about this sort of thing several days ago (sometimes during the Christmas break anyways). He still violently rejects the idea that Bush is a socialist. I've given him article after article after article pointing out how Bush (and the GOP) have shifted Left and are now socialists. Also pointed out the parallels between Mussolini's fiscal policies in 1937 and Bush's decisions in 2008. Again - he just ignored the data and tried to blame 'the unions' for all our fiscal troubles.

What always bothers me is how Dad will say that 'our economy is fine' and yet completely ignore the fact that he's been out of work for nearly 3 years now and been forced to sleep on my couch for the past year and a half. I don't mention it to him though, since that'd start a fight I'd rather not finish. And he's not alone either. I know of several other people who've been forced to move back in with parents and/or children because of the tanking economy.

I just look around me and I see nothing good happening in the next year. And the Republicans aren't in any position to be much of a help.

That is EXACTLY my point. How the hell can they keep people convinced of the exact opposite of reality?! It's mind boggling. I actually get depressed when i think too deep about the stupidity running rampant around the country. whether you agree with the bail out or not, let's not pretend that it didn't go against everything the conservatives stand for.

GaryPDX: I guess all is not so great in Utopia Land. I bet he regrets stuffing Clinton the high hard one.

Snark aside..I wonder what this is all about?

/searching...

"New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, tapped in December by President-elect Barack Obama to serve as secretary of Commerce, has withdrawn his name for the position, citing a pending investigation into a company that has done business with his state."

hmm....I wonder if this is related to that 'pay to play' thing I read about a while back....?

lemme see if I can find more information.