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2wolves 2009-01-03 11:08:42 PM  
How's that Road Map for Peace turning out loyal bushies?

 
ThrnPhl [TotalFark] 2009-01-03 11:17:41 PM  
When did Ric Romero start writing for the Washington Post?

 
arkansas [TotalFark] 2009-01-03 11:19:47 PM  
If things keep getting harder for Obama at the same rate they have since the election...by January 20th it will almost be IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to be successful at ANYTHING.

If it keeps up, my expectations will be lowered to ZERO.

 
cruci fiction [TotalFark] 2009-01-03 11:37:56 PM  
I don't see why. It seems to be there is a Gaza offensive or similar action about once every year. Everyone gets all mad at Israel and/or the Palestinians. A bunch of dumbshiats protest in western countries which will make no difference at all, but makes them feel good when they go to Starbucks later and gloat to their equally dumbshiat friends about it. Then a cease fire is formed and everything is fine for about 1-8 months until the Palestinians start firing rockets or something again because they are bored and we repeat.

 
Party Boy [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 12:09:11 AM  
Israel's politics in play as it hits Hamas

Middle East: Gaza attacks central to Israeli elections, say analysts

Gaza Violence Seen As Setback For Obama

Israel strike may shift Obama plan
Israel's air strikes in Gaza end any faint hopes that President-elect Barack Obama will take office with a clear path toward Middle East peace laid out before him.

It may also strengthen the hand of more hawkish advisers who have argued that his first step toward Middle East peace should be attempting to weaken and isolate Iran, not negotiating with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, analysts said. With Israeli elections scheduled for February 10, the ongoing Gaza strike and its eventual aftermath may determine who Obama will choose as his Israeli interlocutor.
Obama Defers to Bush, for Now, on Gaza Crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/29/washington/29diplo.html?partner=rss
The renewed fighting - and the international condemnation of the scope of Israel's response - has dashed already limited hopes for quick progress on the peace process that Mr. Bush began in Annapolis, Md., in November 2007.The omission of Hamas from any talks between the Israelis and President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls only the West Bank, had always been a landmine that risked blowing up a difficult and delicate peace process, but so have Israel's own internal political divisions.

 
Dupa [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 12:14:58 AM  
2wolves: How's that Road Map for Peace turning out loyal bushies?

About as well as the Clinton Parameters, and Reagan's Israeli-Palestinian Peace Plan of 1982 before that, and Carter's earlier Camp David Accords. Why do you ask?

/not a "loyal Bushy"
//about time Israel & palestine work this out on their own

 
Party Boy [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 12:25:41 AM  
Dupa: //about time Israel & palestine work this out on their own

Unfortunately, this conflict is internationalized. Its straining the relationships betweem people and govt with nations keeping agreements with Israel/US like Jordan, Egypt, and the Saudis.

Theres now protests in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then theres the Hamas, Iran stuff thats developing in a growing cleavage of the Arab world.

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 12:38:40 AM  
Party Boy: growing cleavage of the Arab world.

fappity fap!

 
hienekenftw 2009-01-04 12:54:27 AM  
The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

 
kiershar 2009-01-04 12:54:54 AM  
Where's the president when you need him. Oh wait...

 
tycho47 2009-01-04 12:56:49 AM  
If only there was some sort of religious figure who could come back from the dead and solve this problem once and for all.

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:06:30 AM  
2wolves: How's that Road Map for Peace turning out loyal bushies?

I'm not typically a Bush apologist, but blaming this on Bush (who tried to help as Presidents before him did) is ridiculous.

 
Anarchofascist 2009-01-04 01:07:59 AM  
tycho47: If only there was some sort of religious figure who could come back from the dead and solve this problem once and for all.

Xenu?

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:11:58 AM  
tycho47: If only there was some sort of religious figure who could come back from the dead and solve this problem once and for all.

The Emperor protects.

 
Gwendolyn [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 01:12:09 AM  
hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

I'm with you on this. Let them figure it out themselves without help from us either way.

 
RanDomino 2009-01-04 01:16:57 AM  
arkansas
If it keeps up, my expectations will be lowered to ZERO

that's the plan

 
wookiemonster 2009-01-04 01:18:07 AM  
""This [Gaza offensive] takes the already slim chance of an early, active and successful Obama engagement on Israel-Palestinian peace and lowers it to about zero"

So there was a slim chance?

Peace in Israel is never going to happen, well not according to the bible till the antichrist barters peace between the Jews and the Arabs, and that's only supposed to last 3.5 years, and after that it's Armageddon, so it won't matter anyway.

 
TheRaven7 2009-01-04 01:18:53 AM  
hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

Bailing out on one of our allies would send a scary message to all of our other allies. Israel is our ally, and whether or not you agree with Israel, Hamas was the instigator in this instance.

 
Curious Hussein 2009-01-04 01:19:14 AM  
Get used to it, nothing will ever be Obama's fault.

 
RanDomino 2009-01-04 01:19:49 AM  
Dupa
Carter's earlier Camp David Accords

you mean the one that ended the full-scale wars?

 
thatmanfromtexas 2009-01-04 01:20:51 AM  
Gwendolyn: hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

I'm with you on this. Let them figure it out themselves without help from us either way.

Are you suggesting that a US President concentrate his attention on domestic issues? What a radical idea!

 
RanDomino 2009-01-04 01:21:38 AM  
wookiemonster
the antichrist barters peace between the Jews and the Arabs, and that's only supposed to last 3.5 years

wait- Obama takes over on Jan 20. If he negotiates peace by June, that leaves 3.5 years until Dec 2012.

/I solved reality, what do I win?

 
Dave The Slushy 2009-01-04 01:30:56 AM  
Meh. The Frogs seem pretty keen on giving fixing the middle east a go. Let 'em. Then when they fail and give up sometime towards re-election time, Cpt. Hopey McChange can make it a priority for the next 4 years.

/And again...And again...
//Like the idea of just getting the fark out. That doesn't stop oil coming out of Venezuela or Africa now does it?

 
Death to America 2009-01-04 01:31:23 AM  
Does that idiot Honestly believe he "won" the U.S. election?

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:33:37 AM  
Death to America: Does that idiot Honestly believe he "won" the U.S. election?

What the hell are you talking about now?

 
HowlingFrog [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 01:36:31 AM  
CaesarSneezy: Death to America: Does that idiot Honestly believe he "won" the U.S. election?

What the hell are you talking about now?

Some idiot named Honestly. What did he get elected to?

 
Dr.Zom 2009-01-04 01:37:04 AM  
Relax people - Condi Rice is on the job!

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:39:41 AM  
HowlingFrog: CaesarSneezy: Death to America: Does that idiot Honestly believe he "won" the U.S. election?

What the hell are you talking about now?

Some idiot named Honestly. What did he get elected to?

He wasn't on the ballot in Texas. If his namesake reflects his behavior, I doubt he was on the ballot anywhere.

 
Brainwash 2009-01-04 01:40:35 AM  
"This [Gaza offensive] takes the already slim chance of an early, active and successful Obama engagement on Israel-Palestinian peace and lowers it to about zero"

Pretty much.

Anyone with half a brain knows the jewbombs are committing as much genocide as they can get away with during this lame-duck period.

After Obama's inauguration, a new UN rep will be appointed that will actually collaborate with the rest of the world in a civilized fashion...the Israeli's know this so they are getting as much genocide as they can while the getting is good. Then they can brand whatever payback they get later as 'terrorism' and do what they do best; pose as the innocent victim to justify further retaliations (extinction) of muslims from their dagger shaped country:

www.teeth.com.pk

/not like I can talk
//our great-great-grandparents slaughtered the indigenous indian population so we could live the way we do now

 
Aye Carumba 2009-01-04 01:44:19 AM  
Gwendolyn: hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

I'm with you on this. Let them figure it out themselves without help from us either way.

Great idea. I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are all too willing to help the Middle East figure everything out once we retreat, for humanitarian reasons, of course. It's not like there's any kind of strategic advantage or anything at stake there, let them deal with it.

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:47:08 AM  
Brainwash: Anyone with half a brain knows the jewbombs are committing as much genocide as they can get away with during this lame-duck period.

After Obama's inauguration, a new UN rep will be appointed that will actually collaborate with the rest of the world in a civilized fashion...the Israeli's know this so they are getting as much genocide as they can while the getting is good. Then they can brand whatever payback they get later as 'terrorism' and do what they do best; pose as the innocent victim to justify further retaliations (extinction) of muslims from their dagger shaped country:

I think you overestimate Obama's resolve. I think he will try to be as moderate as possible. The 23%ers or whatever seem just this side of blowing up and sabotaging any attempt at a Democratic success. I predict that Obama will make lots of concessions to them to prevent total shutdown of the government.

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 01:48:47 AM  
Aye Carumba: Gwendolyn: hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

I'm with you on this. Let them figure it out themselves without help from us either way.

Great idea. I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are all too willing to help the Middle East figure everything out once we retreat, for humanitarian reasons, of course. It's not like there's any kind of strategic advantage or anything at stake there, let them deal with it.

Let the Russians and Chinese bankrupt themselves in the Middle East. Our foreign policy only precludes further and further involvement on our part. We get nothing out of the deal.

 
Something_Creative 2009-01-04 01:50:21 AM  
Did anyone else misread the headline as "...attractive and successful Obama..." ?

 
me_the_farker 2009-01-04 01:51:10 AM  
Good maybe a American president can concetrate on America for a change and not be the worlds police. Let them kill each other for all I care. Both sides have been fighting the same war for millions of years and they ain't gonna stop till they nuke the area and niether side is going to want it. We have our own problems to deal with right now besides getting ourselves mixed up in another pointless turf war.

 
IamSpartacus 2009-01-04 01:53:29 AM  
What would Fark be without our usual snarky American centered ignorance on world affairs?

Complexity? International ties? Global influence? Strategic thinking?

No, lets generalize the issue and toss in our political bias.

/Goes for the lefties and the righties.

 
Phil Moskowitz 2009-01-04 01:56:41 AM  
me_the_farker: Good maybe a American president can concetrate on America for a change and not be the worlds police. Let them kill each other for all I care. Both sides have been fighting the same war for millions of years and they ain't gonna stop till they nuke the area and niether side is going to want it. We have our own problems to deal with right now besides getting ourselves mixed up in another pointless turf war.

I just don't know where the fark you people get the idea that you're the world's police. You enforce hegemony and steal outright what you can't steal quietly.

 
Mr Logo 2009-01-04 02:01:11 AM  
CaesarSneezy: I think you overestimate Obama's resolve. I think he will try to be as moderate as possible. The 23%ers or whatever seem just this side of blowing up and sabotaging any attempt at a Democratic success. I predict that Obama will make lots of concessions to them to prevent total shutdown of the government.

Maybe. I still like to think that he will put his foot down and resolve the crisis. That's probably too optimistic.

 
IamSpartacus 2009-01-04 02:01:58 AM  
Phil Moskowitz: me_the_farker: Good maybe a American president can concetrate on America for a change and not be the worlds police.

I just don't know where the fark you people get the idea that you're the world's police. You enforce hegemony and steal outright what you can't steal quietly.

Yeah, fark that stuff. Who cares about safe shipping lanes around the Gulf Aden? (somali pirates are news because it is rare)

And that guarded oil stream? My god you are so right, i will heat my house and fuel my car on pure bluster like you.

 
me_the_farker 2009-01-04 02:04:35 AM  
think you overestimate Obama's resolve. I think he will try to be as moderate as possible. The 23%ers or whatever seem just this side of blowing up and sabotaging any attempt at a Democratic success. I predict that Obama will make lots of concessions to them to prevent total shutdown of the government.

I hope that he uses his hefty email list to start a grassroots movement against anyone refusing to play ball on something he won't compromise on (repeal or expiring the Bush tax breaks). The last thing we need is another spineless Democrat who won't stick to his guns. Of course the warren thing isn't a great start.

 
Aye Carumba 2009-01-04 02:05:36 AM  
CaesarSneezy: Aye Carumba: Gwendolyn: hienekenftw: The best thing Obama could do is drop all support for Israel, pull all troops out of the Middle East, evacuate all the embassies and just let the nations fight each other.

Why should we be involved?

I'm with you on this. Let them figure it out themselves without help from us either way.

Great idea. I'm sure the Russians and Chinese are all too willing to help the Middle East figure everything out once we retreat, for humanitarian reasons, of course. It's not like there's any kind of strategic advantage or anything at stake there, let them deal with it.

Let the Russians and Chinese bankrupt themselves in the Middle East. Our foreign policy only precludes further and further involvement on our part. We get nothing out of the deal.

What foreign policy are you talking about? The one where we give up %40 of our energy supply? Let the Russians and Chinese hork it like blow off a hookers ass? Ohhh that precluding further and further involvement foreign policy. Yea right.

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 02:09:24 AM  
me_the_farker: I hope that he uses his hefty email list to start a grassroots movement against anyone refusing to play ball on something he won't compromise on (repeal or expiring the Bush tax breaks). The last thing we need is another spineless Democrat who won't stick to his guns. Of course the warren thing isn't a great start.

I hope he doesn't get too directly involved in influencing Congressional races, less for the separation of powers aspect than for all the emails comparing him to Castro and Hitler my dad will send me.

 
CaesarSneezy 2009-01-04 02:13:42 AM  
Aye Carumba: What foreign policy are you talking about? The one where we give up %40 of our energy supply? Let the Russians and Chinese hork it like blow off a hookers ass? Ohhh that precluding further and further involvement foreign policy. Yea right.

Yeah, we have such a great deal. The amazing discounts on oil that no other country gets completely justifies the fact that we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. Do you think that all our meddling has made the Middle East a better place, or that any positive result is worth the price we pay?

 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 02:17:37 AM  
Could we at least let Obama take office before declaring him a failure. It's like the freepers are suffering from premature ejaculation syndrome.

 
DarnoKonrad 2009-01-04 02:21:30 AM  
No shiat.

 
me_the_farker 2009-01-04 02:24:23 AM  
CaesarSneezy: me_the_farker: I hope that he uses his hefty email list to start a grassroots movement against anyone refusing to play ball on something he won't compromise on (repeal or expiring the Bush tax breaks). The last thing we need is another spineless Democrat who won't stick to his guns. Of course the warren thing isn't a great start.

I hope he doesn't get too directly involved in influencing Congressional races, less for the separation of powers aspect than for all the emails comparing him to Castro and Hitler my dad will send me.

I was thinking more along the lines of "hey this senetor won't give us a vote here's his office email and office phone tell him why you want this bill passed"

 
HansensDisease [TotalFark] 2009-01-04 02:27:56 AM  
Bucky Katt: It's like the freepers are suffering from premature ejaculation syndrome.

If only that would prevent them from breeding.

 
SeismicJizzer 2009-01-04 02:31:04 AM  
Jesus this war is Lebanon - Hezbollah all over again. What is Israel's plan once it captures the rockets and launching pads and for how long are they going to control it? If the goal is to destroy Hamas what party are they going to help put it in its place?


Can we has a country that is competent in post war strategies?

 
burndtdan 2009-01-04 02:38:27 AM  
ThrnPhl: When did Ric Romero start writing for the Washington Post?

www.pambanana.com

outbreaks of war can impede efforts to achieve peace. more at 11.

 
Aye Carumba 2009-01-04 02:39:41 AM  
CaesarSneezy: Aye Carumba: What foreign policy are you talking about? The one where we give up %40 of our energy supply? Let the Russians and Chinese hork it like blow off a hookers ass? Ohhh that precluding further and further involvement foreign policy. Yea right.

Yeah, we have such a great deal. The amazing discounts on oil that no other country gets completely justifies the fact that we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. Do you think that all our meddling has made the Middle East a better place, or that any positive result is worth the price we pay?

That we get any deal at all is the point. The military doesn't just protect our energy trade, it protects all trade, and because we trade more than the rest of the world we need to spend more.

Our "meddling" as you put it, if you honestly think that I am wrong about other powers willing to help out, then you weren't kidding about letting everyone fight it out once we split, so by your own assertion, I say yes, they are better off with us, but also we are better off with them. There are those that resent what we've done for them, that they could never do, and they are the ones causing all the shiat. For the most part, they are a minority, with concentrated pockets of abject stupidity.

 
Murkanen 2009-01-04 02:47:00 AM  
SeismicJizzer: Can we has a country that is competent in post war strategies?

Post war strategies make too much sense for Politicians seeking job security via easily maintained boogeymen.

 
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