Cool! I'm going to NSW and taunting the cops.

"Look at me! I just robbed a bank! Does that make you cry, girly-man? Ooooh, is that big scary gun too heavy for your nancy little hands? Hmmm? Hmmm? Shall I call a real man to help you? Hmmmm? You big poofter!"

There's this great material they could be using instead. It's called "ammo." At the range.

Oh for gods sake. Buy a couple Ruger MKIIs, a pallet of 22 rimfire ammo, get some land in the middle of nowhere, tell the cops which end the bullet comes out and let them have some practice. Shoot anyone who doesn't observe proper safety protocol with a paintball gun.

TFA: In the past, recruits have used public shooting ranges to supplement their training....

...Senior police say the lack of access to shooting ranges has resulted in some younger officers receiving so little practice that they are scared of using their guns.

Guess than gun ban has had some consequences. Fewer shooters, fewer ranges, all comming back to bite you in the butt.

The local police train at the range I belong to. (Tons of 40 S&W brass free for the taking afterwords.) If they didn't have access to that range they would be seriously SOL.

Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

Crosshair: Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

I should hate myself for laughing so hard at your comment, but I'm too busy still laughing at it to feel bad.

Armed and dangerous

This could have saved them some money....

/Hot as the flameball of an imp.

Agrees with the notion of giving cops firearms training.

/hotlinked

Yes, because that's got to be cheaper than paper targets.

Who needs firearms when you've got knives?

Here's a good way to learn how to shoot a gun: SHOOT A FARKING GUN

Every one knows what the American answer is: more guns. Arm everyone. The solution to any problem with firearms is always more, more, more firearms.

/can't wait for joe survivalist to post copy of the 2nd amendment
//usually the same people that have rolled over for w the last 8 years

Crosshair: Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

I lol'd all the way to hell.

TFA: THE NSW Police Force will spend about $2 million on a virtual reality shooting range as senior officers blame a lack of training for recruits being frightened of firearms.

Obviously the solution to a lack of firearms training is an EXPENSIVE lack of firearms training.

Next lesson for the Aussie cops: if you shoot it, you must clean it.

Nothing de-mystifies a firearm like having to take it apart, get the crud out and lube it. You just can't be scared of something you can take apart and put back together yourself.

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Who needs firearms when you've got knives?

Trust a wopaussie to bring a knife to a gunfight.

Anyway, I understand Australian knife laws are getting pretty onerous too.

We used these types of simulators when I was an MP in the US Army. They can be wonderful training tools for how to handle potentially violent situations.

Nothing, however, can replace live fire training when it comes to learning how to handle an actual real life firearm.

FarkinFarker: TFA: THE NSW Police Force will spend about $2 million on a virtual reality shooting range as senior officers blame a lack of training for recruits being frightened of firearms.

Obviously the solution to a lack of firearms training is an EXPENSIVE lack of firearms training.

That pretty much sums it up. Maybe is just because I grew up in Texas, where I've been to plenty of barbeques where people were trying out their new pistols, but I can't imagine anyone being frightened of shooting a gun.

How can one replicate recoil? As I understand Newton's laws, if you're feeling recoil in the normal sense (as opposed to vibration, or some other silliness), then it means *something* must be leaving the barrel of the gun -- if not a bullet, then wadding, or something else. If that's the case, the gun is shooting something and it's not a "replica" -- it's a gun.

<sup>Justice: Junior! Why didn't you have your gun loaded?

Junior: Well, when I put bullets in it, daddy, it gets too heavy.</sup>


I wonder if there's a simulated gun for the Wii with actual recoil. That'd be fun.

As long as it doesn't get too heavy of course.

Approves, as long as there are no spies around.

Crosshair: Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

*golf clap*

Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

You mean like Halo 3 or SOCOM on a console for a lot less money?

FTFA: Senior police say the lack of access to shooting ranges has resulted in some younger officers receiving so little practice that they are scared of using their guns.

In before the gun/cop haters, that's going to be training hell. One one side it might make them less trigger happy at the local riots. On the other side, you need these guys to properly handle and use the weapon, and have some balls as well to diffuse various situations.

Umm...every modern police academy in America has one of these. They use it to identify the exact moment and reason the cadets choose to fire. They then fire live ammo from real guns.

Are you scared now ya little pussy? (new window)

jshine: How can one replicate recoil? As I understand Newton's laws, if you're feeling recoil in the normal sense (as opposed to vibration, or some other silliness), then it means *something* must be leaving the barrel of the gun -- if not a bullet, then wadding, or something else. If that's the case, the gun is shooting something and it's not a "replica" -- it's a gun.

It uses pressurized CO2 to simulate a recoil, if it's anything like the FATS/ISMT trainers we use in the US.

plausdeny: Next lesson for the Aussie cops: if you shoot it, you must clean it.

Nothing de-mystifies a firearm like having to take it apart, get the crud out and lube it. You just can't be scared of something you can take apart and put back together yourself.

Of course you can. What the hell kind of dumbass wouldn't be? Although, this is a good reason to be more afraid of pit bulls than guns.

/oh yeah i went there
//this thread is gonna rock now

Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

I applaud thee fare person. +1 information duct to thine family.

Jshine

The guns generate recoil from CO2 cartridges or compressed air lines. It isn't full power recoil, but the slide goes back and forth each time you pull the trigger.

So, let me get this straight.



It's a video game to teach people how to kill. Is that it?

Simulator?!

Wouldn't have been cheaper to just build a gun range for them?

/drtfa

Ashtrey: Here's a good way to learn how to shoot a gun: SHOOT A FARKING GUN

That's the easy bit.

Knowing when to shoot the gun, at whom, is easy in theory and quite hard to transfer to real life. It's also a really bad thing to have people learn by trial-and-error. In short, the more people train for shoot/don't-shoot scenarios, the better. And it's a pain in the rear (to say nothing of needlessly risky) to set that sort of scenarios up with live weapons.

huh, crosshair?

we got a real talker over here...

pop-twaNG! (new window)

Crosshair: Control_this: Why didn't they buy one of the US simulators bought by American police forces?

They can't convince the black people to get in the crate.

/Why is it warm in here?

Oh Bravo to you sir!

plausdeny: Next lesson for the Aussie cops: if you shoot it, you must clean it.

Nothing de-mystifies a firearm like having to take it apart, get the crud out and lube it. You just can't be scared of something you can take apart and put back together yourself.

This is very true. I've grown up with firearms, from .22 to 30.06 to shotguns. In the AF (yes, we get arms training too) we have to qualify on the M-16 which includes stripping it and cleaning it (why am I suddenly aroused?...). Seeing it in pieces drives home the realization that it's just a machine (luckily not yet self aware). The best safety is your finger. If you don't point it at something you aren't willing to damage and keep your dern fool finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire, then you'll be alright.

/people need to learn to use them responsibly or leave them alone; they aren't toys
//slashies

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to build a real shooting range? It's not like Australia has a lack of uninhabited land that you could set some targets up in...indoor range would be cheaper as well

Oh, wait, they banned violent video games in Australia, too.

What the hell is wrong with you people Down Under?

No further questions. Just: what the hell is wrong with you?

LobsterSausage: why am I suddenly aroused?

Because you're mentally ill.

Oroblanco: LobsterSausage: why am I suddenly aroused?

Because you're mentally ill.

well, yeah, but, besides that...

Kyoowashugi: jshine: How can one replicate recoil? As I understand Newton's laws, if you're feeling recoil in the normal sense (as opposed to vibration, or some other silliness), then it means *something* must be leaving the barrel of the gun -- if not a bullet, then wadding, or something else. If that's the case, the gun is shooting something and it's not a "replica" -- it's a gun.

It uses pressurized CO2 to simulate a recoil, if it's anything like the FATS/ISMT trainers we use in the US.

Dry fired CO2 does create a definate recoil. However, the recoil is on par with that of a 22cal pistol. The standard cal. used by law enforcement, and the PD that I am on, uses the S&W 40 cal. CO2 can only go so far in the training of cadets. If the rook trains on the CO2 alone he might not be scared of holding his gun, but the ensuing recoil/loud noise will make him shiat his pants.

Man On Pink Corner: Oh, wait, they banned violent video games in Australia, too.

What the hell is wrong with you people Down Under?

No further questions. Just: what the hell is wrong with you?

Can't defend censorship, but are you, by chance, from the Land of School Shootings?

Oroblanco: Man On Pink Corner: Oh, wait, they banned violent video games in Australia, too.

What the hell is wrong with you people Down Under?

No further questions. Just: what the hell is wrong with you?

Can't defend censorship, but are you, by chance, from the Land of School Shootings?

Here's a tip, use Google for background information before making such comments

Link (new window)

Maybe if they didn't spend all their time eating bratwurst in their leiderhosen this wouldn't be a problem.

/didn't read thread
//sorry if this joke has already been made
///i submitted this with a better headline

CHORUS
"Death to the Invader!"

Chorus:
Death to the invader!
Strike a deadly blow,
As an old Crusader
Struck his Paynim foe!
Let our martial thunder
Fill his soul with wonder,
Tear his ranks asunder,
Lay the tyrant low!
Death to the invader!
Strike a deadly blow,
As an old Crusader
Struck his Paynim foe!

Melissa:
Thus our courage, all untarnish'd,
We're instructed to display;
But to tell the truth unvarnish'd,
We are more inclined to say,
"Please you, do not hurt us,"

All:
"Do not hurt us, if it please you!"

Melissa:
"Please you let us be."

All:
"Let us be - let us be!"

Melissa:
"Soldiers disconcert us."

All:
"Disconcert us, if it please you!"

Melissa:
"Frighten'd maids are we!"

All:
"Maids are we, maids are we!"

Melissa:
Please you,

All:
Do not hurt us;

Melissa:
Please you,

All:
Let us be.

Melissa & Chorus:
Frighten'd maids are we, frighten'd maids are we!

- Gilbert & Sullivan, Princess Ida, 1883

Qumahlin: Wouldn't it have been cheaper to build a real shooting range? It's not like Australia has a lack of uninhabited land that you could set some targets up in...indoor range would be cheaper as well

I've used the U.S. Army's EST 2000. It's a pretty handy tool. It has a lot more scenarios than just putting holes in targets:



There's zeroing, shoot/don't shoot scenarios, hostage scenarios, etc, etc.

It can even be used for crew-served weapons like the Mark 19 40mm grenade machinegun.

Our Supply guy could not farking qualify to save his life on a live-fire range, and considering the minimum is 23 out of 40 (on a 50 meter to 300 meter) range, that's pathetic.

It is nice because the impacts will flash up instantly on the board, and you can see that his sight picture and trigger squeeze sucked.

It was a lot easier than:

1) Draw ammo. walk to the firing line from the ammo point. wait for range to go hot.
2) Shoot. wait for the tower to call cease fire.
3) Walk to the target, inspect the holes on the zero target.
4) Walk back to the firing line. Wait for the range to go back hot.
5. Repeat 1-4 until you run out of daylight with this guy.

It's not a subsitute for live rounds, but it is good for dorks who never got the basics of marksmanship down in the first place.

spartywrx: Oroblanco: Man On Pink Corner: Oh, wait, they banned violent video games in Australia, too.

What the hell is wrong with you people Down Under?

No further questions. Just: what the hell is wrong with you?

Can't defend censorship, but are you, by chance, from the Land of School Shootings?

Here's a tip, use Google for background information before making such comments

Link (new window)

Question 1: how many people have died in US school shootings?
Question 2: how many people have died in Australian school shootings?
Question 3: why are Libertarians such assfarks?

I just got back from dinner after spending 8 hours at the range today, so I'm really getting a kick...

/yes, my shoulder hurts
//Crosshair, you are freaking awesome. I'd sponsor you, but I see thats been taken care of

Sgt Otter: Qumahlin: Wouldn't it have been cheaper to build a real shooting range? It's not like Australia has a lack of uninhabited land that you could set some targets up in...indoor range would be cheaper as well

I've used the U.S. Army's EST 2000. It's a pretty handy tool. It has a lot more scenarios than just putting holes in targets:



There's zeroing, shoot/don't shoot scenarios, hostage scenarios, etc, etc.

It can even be used for crew-served weapons like the Mark 19 40mm grenade machinegun.

Our Supply guy could not farking qualify to save his life on a live-fire range, and considering the minimum is 23 out of 40 (on a 50 meter to 300 meter) range, that's pathetic.

It is nice because the impacts will flash up instantly on the board, and you can see that his sight picture and trigger squeeze sucked.

It was a lot easier than:

1) Draw ammo. walk to the firing line from the ammo point. wait for range to go hot.
2) Shoot. wait for the tower to call cease fire.
3) Walk to the target, inspect the holes on the zero target.
4) Walk back to the firing line. Wait for the range to go back hot.
5. Repeat 1-4 until you run out of daylight with this guy.

It's not a subsitute for live rounds, but it is good for dorks who never got the basics of marksmanship down in the first place.

Cool.

spartywrx: Here's a tip, use Google for background information before making such comments

Link (new window)

Yeah, but at least in Australia, he was a criminal before he entered the school, and that makes a huge difference on the outcome (he was tackled by a lecturer, which wouldn't have happened without good, solid gun laws). Besides, I call shenanigans, the shooter's name is Huan Yun Xiang, which means this happened in China.