well i just hope they keep the musical number.

Hamas eunt domus

It's amazing that Islam is such a peaceful religion, yet 99% of its adherents seem to be so hell-bent on killing everyone who isn't like them in the most horrific way possible. Kreist - at least all the Xians want to do is convert you.

I'd like to scoop up a bunch of our fanatical bible thumpers and dump them into the gaza strip (with guns, bibles and enough water/ammo supplies to last 'em a month).

that's just a problem that solves itself.

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's amazing that Islam is such a peaceful religion, yet 99% of its adherents seem to be so hell-bent on killing everyone who isn't like them in the most horrific way possible. Kreist - at least all the Xians want to do is convert you.

well, except for some of the wacko nutballs who tried to blow people up because they thought 'all life was sacred'. luckily those were a minority of radicals who really just wanted to blow someone up and were looking for a reason to do it.

what gets me about our favorite christian nutjobs is that they can actually believe that 'all life is sacred' and then turn around and advocate torturing radical islamic nutballs in order to stop 'terrorism'. Not to excuse the islamic nutballs either - they just chop your head off or blow up a bus full of school kids. But hey, at least they don't systamatically torture you first.

some days its very confusing to be a human being. as a species, we don't make much sense.

Weaver95: some days its very confusing to be a human being. as a species, we don't make much sense.

Truer words were never spoken, my dear.

And good point about the Xian bombers. They're out there alright. And interestingly enough, Americans don't seem to equate terrorist training camps with survivalist training camps. Only so far, the Xians take one or two at a time, not thousands - u8nless they formalize the arrangement by declaring war.

Gawd - religion poisons everything.

Weaver95: some days its very confusing to be a human being. as a species, we don't make much sense.

I like George Carlin's take on it (paraphrased): "I'm not going to kill myself! I'm too busy trying to figure out what the fark you people are going to come up with next!"

Weaver95: what gets me about our favorite christian nutjobs is that they can actually believe that 'all life is sacred' and then turn around and advocate torturing radical islamic nutballs in order to stop 'terrorism'. Not to excuse the islamic nutballs either - they just chop your head off or blow up a bus full of school kids. But hey, at least they don't systamatically torture you first.

People accuse atheists of nihilism for thinking that this life is all that matters. I think the real nihilism is finding ways to convince people it doesn't matter.

submitter: "Next time you're visiting the Holy Land, the re-enactments might be especially lifelike."

Instead of the rooster crowing three times, it will be replaced by the screaming of an F-16s dropping bombs...

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's amazing that Islam is such a peaceful religion, yet 99% of its adherents seem to be so hell-bent on killing everyone who isn't like them in the most horrific way possible. Kreist - at least all the Xians want to do is convert you.

That's the whole point of their religion. Harsher laws, (punishments, regulations, etc) are given to non-muslims. If you live under their rule -you have one option: convert or suffer.

Mark Steyn says this? My automatic reaction is that the opposite has happened and Hamas has promised a puppy and kitten exchange with Israel.

I've learned on Fark that everything bad that Hamas does is because of the joos.

So.. I blame the joos?

/godlessly hotlinked

Homer: When will people learn? Democracy doesn't work!

Seriously, this really does seem like a case of "be careful what you wish for".

EngineerAU: Homer: When will people learn? Democracy doesn't work!

Seriously, this really does seem like a case of "be careful what you wish for".


Homer? That was Brockman.

So this guy's argument is that the Palestinean people and culture are essentially inferior to that of other people and cultures.

Yeah, the Jews should be able to embrace that idea, hmm?


/pointing out the irony, not being an anti-Semite

The Great Gazoo: So this guy's argument is that the Palestinean people and culture are essentially inferior to that of other people and cultures.

Yeah, the Jews should be able to embrace that idea, hmm?


/pointing out the irony, not being an anti-Semite

Yes. Apparently this is what he does to make a shameless living. (new window)

Because People in power are Stupid: If you live under their rule -you have one option: convert or suffer.

sounds like Microsoft.

Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: If you live under their rule -you have one option: convert or suffer.

sounds like Microsoft.

Wouldn't that be convert AND suffer then?

I don't think the Gaza Penal Colony is a very popular vacation spot. Seeing both Zionist and Muslims exploit the persecution complex and ignorance of American christians is disheartening. It is just pushing people away from religion and GOD.

sweetpeteman: EngineerAU: Homer: When will people learn? Democracy doesn't work!

Seriously, this really does seem like a case of "be careful what you wish for".


Homer? That was Brockman.

No, that was Homer in the prop 24 episode - when the results come in that the measure passed.

You're thinking of the meteor episode where Bart's comet is headed toward Springfield. The TV shows Congress about to pass a bill to send aid to Springfield, but one Congressman attaches a rider for some outlandish thing and the measure is voted down. The TV cuts back to Brockman whose reaction is "I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy just does not work". He then shows a list of celebrities who are gay.

GoodHomer: Mark Steyn says this? My automatic reaction is that the opposite has happened and Hamas has promised a puppy and kitten exchange with Israel.

I, for some reason, find trouble discovering where, if anywhere, the faqih have ever permitted crucifixion. Like I pointed out before, Hamas has an ultimate distortion of Islam on their hands.

Benevolent Misanthrope... 99%? I really hope you're hyperbolizing. If even 10% of all Muslims wanted to kill people who didn't believe in them, 120-150 million, will mean you'd be having LOTS of troubles larger than some cell groups.

This sounds like a Republican's dream: a theocracy where everyone gets to cheer when criminals are publicly punished.

At least you're out in the sun.

Nudge: GoodHomer: Mark Steyn says this? My automatic reaction is that the opposite has happened and Hamas has promised a puppy and kitten exchange with Israel.

I, for some reason, find trouble discovering where, if anywhere, the faqih have ever permitted crucifixion. Like I pointed out before, Hamas has an ultimate distortion of Islam on their hands.

Benevolent Misanthrope... 99%? I really hope you're hyperbolizing. If even 10% of all Muslims wanted to kill people who didn't believe in them, 120-150 million, will mean you'd be having LOTS of troubles larger than some cell groups.

I beg your pardon. I should have said, "99% of those we hear about". As opposed to the Christian cell groups we never ever hear about.

Weaver95: I'd like to scoop up a bunch of our fanatical bible thumpers and dump them into the gaza strip (with guns, bibles and enough water/ammo supplies to last 'em a month).

that's just a problem that solves itself.



I've been thinking about a new reality show.

Survivor - Zealots Island.

Two camps of opposing religious zealots. one island. Quests to locate weapons caches, raids to capture members of the other camp, missions to gather covert intelligence, and then the grand finale.

Any survivors get full funding for their sect and/or a chance to continue in elimination rounds with a grand prize of a tactical nuke.

_{(which will mysteriously detonate at their base camp)}

Laz Long, you magnificent bastard! I'd actually watch that! Except for one clarification based on actual reality...

Any survivors get full funding for their sect and/or a chance to continue in elimination rounds with a grand prize of a tactical nuke. ^{(which will mysteriously detonate at their base camp)}

That sect will be a new organization formed from the remaining survivors and sworn enemy of all their previous sects. Until one or more of them wants to make a new alliance.

I really wish I had something intelligent or witty to say about this, but if this is true, it's just sad and frightening to me.

The Great Gazoo: So this guy's argument is that the Palestinean people and culture are essentially inferior to that of other people and cultures.

Yeah, the Jews should be able to embrace that idea, hmm?


/pointing out the irony, not being an anti-Semite



A culture that breeds this...







...is an inferior culture. Period.

Whatever their griefs, whatever wrongs they perceive they have been dealt, raising their kids to mass-murder civilians is backwards caveman bullshiat.

Laz Long: Weaver95: I'd like to scoop up a bunch of our fanatical bible thumpers and dump them into the gaza strip (with guns, bibles and enough water/ammo supplies to last 'em a month).

that's just a problem that solves itself.



I've been thinking about a new reality show.


Survivor - Zealots Island.


Two camps of opposing religious zealots. one island. Quests to locate weapons caches, raids to capture members of the other camp, missions to gather covert intelligence, and then the grand finale.

Any survivors get full funding for their sect and/or a chance to continue in elimination rounds with a grand prize of a tactical nuke.

(which will mysteriously detonate at their base camp)

And we have the winners!

Get that show into production!

/your newsletters. I will subscribe

shower_in_my_socks: ...is an inferior culture. Period.

Because People in power are Stupid: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's amazing that Islam is such a peaceful religion, yet 99% of its adherents seem to be so hell-bent on killing everyone who isn't like them in the most horrific way possible. Kreist - at least all the Xians want to do is convert you.

That's the whole point of their religion. Harsher laws, (punishments, regulations, etc) are given to non-muslims. If you live under their rule -you have one option: convert or suffer.

Why is this man smiling from beyond the grave?



He's just smiling, deep inside, where you can't see it.
Some people live on forever through their work.

carnifex2005: Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: If you live under their rule -you have one option: convert or suffer.

sounds like Microsoft.

Wouldn't that be convert AND suffer then?

No, that's Catholicism.
Please keep your Operating Systems straight.

Benevolent Misanthrope: That sect will be a new organization formed from the remaining survivors and sworn enemy of all their previous sects. Until one or more of them wants to make a new alliance.

A self-sustaining pool of contestants. It just keeps getting better!

Death to America: It is just pushing people away from religion and GOD.

shower_in_my_socks: ...is an inferior culture. Period.

Nudge: I, for some reason, find trouble discovering where, if anywhere, the faqih have ever permitted crucifixion. Like I pointed out before, Hamas has an ultimate distortion of Islam on their hands.

It doesn't, overall. Sudan allows for it, and Iran technically allows for it, though it hasn't passed that sentence in decades. Mark Steyn is engaging in a modern-day blood libel - the "source" for this claim is the Palestinian Media Watch, which is infamous for outright fabricating attacks against Muslims.

Personally, I think Islam is a false religion started by a pedophile. But what Steyn does is the same, morally, as saying that Jews make their matzo with the blood of newborn Christian babies.

Aarontology: shower_in_my_socks: ...is an inferior culture. Period.


Really? That's your comparison? How many people have the KKK bombed in the past decade?

If you think the KKK in America is comparable in any way to Muslim Extremism, in size, scope, resources, goals, abilities -- any measurable way -- then you have your head up your ass.

captainktainer: Personally, I think Islam is a false religion started by a pedophile. But what Steyn does is the same, morally, as saying that Jews make their matzo with the blood of newborn Christian babies.

Well, how else are you supposed to make matzo? Anything other than the blood of Christian babies screws up the recipe. Dr. Pepper is the only thing that even comes close.

shower_in_my_socks: Aarontology: shower_in_my_socks: ...is an inferior culture. Period.


Really? That's your comparison? How many people have the KKK bombed in the past decade?

If you think the KKK in America is comparable in any way to Muslim Extremism, in size, scope, resources, goals, abilities -- any measurable way -- then you have your head up your ass.

"Secular" Europe is having an drastic increase in neo-Naizism. Does that mean that all of Europe is as bad as the Middle East Culture too? Of course not. Some cultures are full of fail because they are out-dated or never that great in the first place. Besides, once you strap bombs to one of your children and detonate him/her in a mall, you lose your rights to mourn about collateral damage.

LocalCynic: shower_in_my_socks: ...is an inferior culture. Period.


I missed the part of that sign where they promote dressing toddlers up to blow up cafes. I don't agree with the sentiment in that sign at all, but supporting your military and commanders isn't comparable to raising your kids to worship blowing themselves up in cafes.

I'm pretty liberal these days, but we have to stop attempting to draw moral equivalencies between the darkest side of Islam and Western Society. We have our own shiat to clean up, just like every other culture, but the culture of suicide bombing, of sending women and children and the mentally handicapped on missions to purposely murder as many unarmed civilians as possible, is in a league of its own. I think religion farks up a lot of things, but at least the Western religions have reformed.

You should be condemning it; instead you defend it with desperate dorm-room self-loathing preachy bullshiat.

shower_in_my_socks: Really? That's your comparison? How many people have the KKK bombed in the past decade?

If you think the KKK in America is comparable in any way to Muslim Extremism, in size, scope, resources, goals, abilities -- any measurable way -- then you have your head up your ass.

Learn your history. How many people has the Klan murdered since they first came into being? How many courts did they control that let off murderers? How many police forces did they control that refused to investigate murders, or flat out participated in them?

The Klan used to be our version of these lunatics. They controlled legislatures. Had thousand and thousands march on Washington DC. They had the support of millions of American citizens. But they are still active, but thankfully have been effectively marginalized.

But my point in posting that image was to show that lunatics everywhere will brainwash their children into continuing their despicable beliefs. Which, if you are going to call their culture for, you have to do the same for ours.

shower_in_my_socks: I'm pretty liberal these days, but we have to stop attempting to draw moral equivalencies between the darkest side of Islam and Western Society.

ZOMG IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME SO IT'S NOT COMPARABLE!

The people in Gaza are acting like aimless people who are backed in a corner and want to take out their opponent even if it means the end of themselves. It's sad more than anything. People shouldn't live in such a hopeless existence.

I think it's a whole lot more pathetic for people from an extremely wealth nation heaping scorn and condemnation upon "others" to such a degree that they'd love to see those "others" wiped off the map.

Aarontology: shower_in_my_socks: Really? That's your comparison? How many people have the KKK bombed in the past decade?

If you think the KKK in America is comparable in any way to Muslim Extremism, in size, scope, resources, goals, abilities -- any measurable way -- then you have your head up your ass.

Learn your history. How many people has the Klan murdered since they first came into being? How many courts did they control that let off murderers? How many police forces did they control that refused to investigate murders, or flat out participated in them?

The Klan used to be our version of these lunatics. They controlled legislatures. Had thousand and thousands march on Washington DC. They had the support of millions of American citizens. But they are still active, but thankfully have been effectively marginalized.

But my point in posting that image was to show that lunatics everywhere will brainwash their children into continuing their despicable beliefs. Which, if you are going to call their culture for, you have to do the same for ours.


You summed it up right there: your entire rant about the Klan is in PAST TENSE. It rose up, we fought it, we knocked it down. All in the span of a few decades. That's what a modern civilization does.

If you have to go back two generations in American history to find something even remotely similar to what modern Islamic Extremism is doing today, then there is no moral equivalency between the two. It's like me telling you that Kia's suck and you dragging out the Ford Pinto as an example that American cars are just as bad.

shower_in_my_socks: I'm pretty liberal these days, but we have to stop attempting to draw moral equivalencies between the darkest side of Islam and Western Society. We have our own shiat to clean up, just like every other culture, but the culture of suicide bombing, of sending women and children and the mentally handicapped on missions to purposely murder as many unarmed civilians as possible, is in a league of its own. I think religion farks up a lot of things, but at least the Western religions have reformed.

If we didn't have the protection of a world-class military, and another country's military operated on our soil the way we've been operating in the Middle East, there'd be plenty of American terrorists. Maybe not you or me, but enough to characterize our fighting style.

Random Reality Check:
Why is this man smiling from beyond the grave?
He's just smiling, deep inside, where you can't see it.
Some people live on forever through their work.



It's unclear what your Godwin refers to.

LocalCynic: shower_in_my_socks: I'm pretty liberal these days, but we have to stop attempting to draw moral equivalencies between the darkest side of Islam and Western Society.

ZOMG IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME SO IT'S NOT COMPARABLE!

The people in Gaza are acting like aimless people who are backed in a corner and want to take out their opponent even if it means the end of themselves. It's sad more than anything. People shouldn't live in such a hopeless existence.

I think it's a whole lot more pathetic for people from an extremely wealth nation heaping scorn and condemnation upon "others" to such a degree that they'd love to see those "others" wiped off the map.


It's not even sort of the same.

Yeah, we're just an evil wealthy nation that re-introduced Democracy to the world and led the way in modern civil rights. We're busy electing a president from a minority culture group, debating whether gays should marry (as opposed to the raging debate in Islamic cultures over whether they should be hanged to death or stoned to death), fighting to get women equal pay (as opposed to fighting to make it legal for them to show their faces in public)... oh, but we have the KKK, and we had an asshole for president for the past 8 years, so we're just as bad.

shower_in_my_socks: You summed it up right there: your entire rant about the Klan is in PAST TENSE. It rose up, we fought it, we knocked it down. All in the span of a few decades. That's what a modern civilization does.

If you have to go back two generations in American history to find something even remotely similar to what modern Islamic Extremism is doing today, then there is no moral equivalency between the two. It's like me telling you that Kia's suck and you dragging out the Ford Pinto as an example that American cars are just as bad.

The Klan existed for around 100 years in various incarnations before they were finally marginalized. A little longer than a few decades. I admit, I am parsing definitions there, though.

Morally, I view both as completely worthless and the world would be better off it everyone involved in the groups spontaneously exploded.

But the claim that their culture is inferior because of images like that kind of set me off when we have our version doing the same thing.

shower_in_my_socks Also, I wouldn't argue that Kia's suck. That's something we can all agree on.