So they're Catholic. Who am I to judge?

Good. Let nature run its course, these animals were not meant to survive if they cannot adapt to changing conditions. People need to keep in mind that around 99% of all animals that have ever lived on earth have gone extinct. It shouldn't be some kind of national epidemic to save species that can't reproduce enough to save themselves (Polar Bears, Pandas, Penguins).

The thinner they become the more of them I have to kill in order to make my polar bear rugs.

What? Lent hasn't started yet? Get them bears some calendars!
/RTFA'd after Boobies!

But, but, but...according to the anti-science Conservatives like Matt Drudge, Limbaugh, and Hannity, Global Warming is not real. It is a vast left wing conspiracy.

No, no, no. It's in protest of the run-on sentence, a dangerously contagious phenomenon.

Goldeneye007: Good. Let nature run its course, these animals were not meant to survive if they cannot adapt to changing conditions. People need to keep in mind that around 99% of all animals that have ever lived on earth have gone extinct. It shouldn't be some kind of national epidemic to save species that can't reproduce enough to save themselves (Polar Bears, Pandas, Penguins).

I guess the question then is are humans natural? The animals could probably adapt to slow changing conditions, but humans have accelerated these changes quite a bit.

If humans are part of this natural world, and everything we do is a natural action, then I guess every animal that cannot adapt in time should not be missed.

Yet if humans are a part of this, then when we try and save species from extinction, this is also a part of nature, and the animals have the necessary traits for survival, specifically the 'tug at our heart strings' trait.

So basically I've rambled along and made no sense whatsoever.

seminole87: Goldeneye007: Good. Let nature run its course, these animals were not meant to survive if they cannot adapt to changing conditions. People need to keep in mind that around 99% of all animals that have ever lived on earth have gone extinct. It shouldn't be some kind of national epidemic to save species that can't reproduce enough to save themselves (Polar Bears, Pandas, Penguins).

99% of the extinct animals were killed by cataclymic diasters like meteors, volcanic eruptions, and ice ages, not by human-caused disruptions.

And even if you take global warming caused extinctions off the plate, most of the extinctions in the modern world are/were directly caused by human action.

This "all the animals have gone extinct before" is a statement that tops ignorant statements, and maybe some people ought to read a damn biology book before they start talking about every animal that ever lived.

cryinoutloud: 99% of the extinct animals were killed by cataclymic diasters like meteors, volcanic eruptions, and ice ages, not by human-caused disruptions.

well that just depends on whether or not you are willing to consider humanity to be a cataclysmic disaster

cataclymic = cataclysmic

Came for the sharp knee picture, was disappointed.

I'm just here to spoil anyones attempt at a bipolar bear joke by mentioning it first.

Where are all the furry pics?

I heard they sleep all winter too...lazy bears.

TehPetri: Came for the sharp knee picture, was disappointed.

b0rg9: /second to the party
//uglier bear and some text

Would a studbear really be looking for a "she"?

The number of undernourished bears has tripled in a 20-year period.

Three days ago we were told that sea ice is at its highest level since 1979.

Me thinks bear watchers are morans.

The polar bear population has been exploding in the last 10-15 years. They are probably competing so heavily for food that there isn't much around anymore.

They're reporting 2006 data as if it's news, and the truth is the polar sea ice has completely recovered. Presumably, so have the starving polar bears.

That's pretty strange behavior for bears. I mean, doesn't the lube stick to their fur?

What?

F-A-sting?

---Nevermind.

Goldeneye007: Good. Let nature run its course, these animals were not meant to survive if they cannot adapt to changing conditions. People need to keep in mind that around 99% of all animals that have ever lived on earth have gone extinct. It shouldn't be some kind of national epidemic to save species that can't reproduce enough to save themselves (Polar Bears, Pandas, Penguins).

Right, it's not the least bit rational to try to preserve biodiversity. Such preservation could never actually benefit us as a species (whether it be in the fields of genetics, medicine, or otherwise).

/kill 'em all, let God sort it out?
//...what if there's no God?

I guess polar bear does not know what apple is, after all.

gund: I guess the question then is are humans natural? The animals could probably adapt to slow changing conditions, but humans have accelerated these changes quite a bit.

Yes, humans are natural. We evolved just like them there bears. Whats more, most animals wouldn't care if they ate another food source to extinction, as long as there was still something else to eat. There are even other species that modify their environments: beavers, ants, etc.

The real arguments are do we as humans want these bears (and other fuzzy, scaly, feathery, leafy things) around for future generations for aesthetic reasons, are we killing off things we need in the food chain to get our food and are we going to flood our cities, turn plains into deserts, destabilize nations, etc. etc.

Saying what we do is not natural is silly. It comes out of the religious belief that we are somehow different morally than the animals. Yes, we can see the consequences of our actions, but that doesn't make us unnatural.

Sorry about the rant, but it's a pet peeve of mine, that and people who believe that 'natural' is always better. Take your natural cyanide and give me my synthesized 'unnatural' medicine.

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
- Sir John Houghton,
first chairman of IPCC

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

Whats more, most animals wouldn't care if they ate another food source to extinction, as long as there was still something else to eat.

You're such a farking tard.

SquirrelWithLargeNuts: Whats more, most animals wouldn't care if they ate another food source to extinction, as long as there was still something else to eat.

You're such a farking tard.

Explain how he is wrong.

SquirrelWithLargeNuts: Whats more, most animals wouldn't care if they ate another food source to extinction, as long as there was still something else to eat.

You're such a farking tard.

once upon a time, a very hungry wolf stumbled upon a Dodo bird. The wolf thought to himself that he had not seen another Dodo bird in many months. He postulated that this might be the last Dodo bird on the planet. Then he ate it.

You are the tard.

Man made global warming is all about the money.

Lacerated Spleen: Man made global warming is all about the money.

No, it's not. It is much more sinister. Look at the major groups who are pushing the agenda so hard. Then look into their backgrounds to see what they really stand for. It is not money (although there are people riding that train), it is about power - a worldwide government - It is about controlling the worldwide population. There is a rather evil side to this one - they think that we have too many people now. Not only do they want to stop people from having any more babies, some of us (lots of us) have to die now to make things right. There are also groups who want to disperse all of the world's wealth to all people - that would lower the standard of living in the developed world.

In the late 1980's, Dr. Oppenheimer and a handful of other scientists organized two workshops under the auspices of the United Nations that helped precipitate the negotiations that resulted in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (signed at the 1992 Earth Summit) and the Kyoto Protocol. During that period, he co-founded the Climate Action Network.

http://www.princeton.edu/step/people/faculty/michael-oppenheimer

You should know this man's agenda and he has been kind enough to vocalize it on many occasions:

We must impose a low standard of living on the world.
"[T]he only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them."
Source: "Environmental Quotes," Freedom Alert, September/October 2001, page 13.

Don't take my word for it, google: Michael Oppenheimer "not another United States" and see for yourself.

"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning,
and suburban housing - are not sustainable."
- Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit

Why not take illegal aliens, place them on a glacier, then that will take care of two problems at once. Also, I'm getting older, so I blame global warming on that.

Anecdotal evidence backs up the team's conclusions, with many more sightings of polar bears swimming in open water and resorting to eating other food, such as fish.

Well hearsay and conjecture are kinds of evidence your honor.

- Lionel Hutz, deceased

Goldeneye007: Good. Let nature run its course, these animals were not meant to survive if they cannot adapt to changing conditions. People need to keep in mind that around 99% of all animals that have ever lived on earth have gone extinct. It shouldn't be some kind of national epidemic to save species that can't reproduce enough to save themselves (Polar Bears, Pandas, Penguins).

There is a difference between animals that have gone extinct due to natural processes (probably where people like you pull that 99% shiat from), and those which have gone extinct in the last 50,000 years (from mammoths to dodos to galapagos turtles to passenger pigeons and now polar bears, snow leopards, giant pandas and thousands more species) due to the actions of humankind.

Most of the extinctions that have happened during the history of Homo Sapiens have been the fault of Homo Sapiens.

We killed them for food.
We killed them for fur.
We killed them by taking their food.
We killed them by taking their land.
We killed them by destroying and polluting the land and the food we didn't take.
We killed them for sport.
We killed them for greed.
We killed them for decoration.
We killed them because they were pests.
And now, we kill them by making the entire planet unihabitable for them by changing the very composition of the atmosphere.

The sooner the pestilence that is the human species kills itself off, the better for planet earth.

nicksteel: SquirrelWithLargeNuts: Whats more, most animals wouldn't care if they ate another food source to extinction, as long as there was still something else to eat.

You're such a farking tard.

once upon a time, a very hungry wolf stumbled upon a Dodo bird. The wolf thought to himself that he had not seen another Dodo bird in many months. He postulated that this might be the last Dodo bird on the planet. Then he ate it.

You are the tard.

The dodo (Raphus cucullatus) was a flightless bird endemic to the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius. Related to pigeons and doves, it stood about a meter tall, weighing about 20 kilograms (44 lb), living on fruit and nesting on the ground.

There are no "wolves" or any other predators on the island of Mauritius, except for the humans who went there and killed all of them off. How else do you think a 40 pound flightless bird could have evolved if there were other creatures trying to eat it all the time?

Read a book, moran.

Evolve or die out.

There is no clear evidence that global warming is an imminent danger to the world, says Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

He made the comments at a meeting in Poznan, Poland, where more than 10,000 delegates and environmentalists are trying to hammer out an international treaty to cut greenhouse gases. It is intended to to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/12/09/climate-meeting.html