Okay, banning pinching kids I can understand, but why ban time-out rooms? Am I missing something here?

When a small kid goes into a tantrum, you put him in an understimulating room until he regains control of himself. Small children can get very emotional, and I can only imagine that getting worse if the kid is physically 16.

What else do they want to do? Hold up the entire class until the special ed student stops screaming? That will go over well.

Taser 'em.

/problem solved

Not to be unsympathetic, but what the hell are they supposed to do with the kids? Quiet room do just that - they quiet the child.

Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

This message is brought to you by the letters A, D, and A.

/inclusion sucks

Chris Rock:

I'm getting in the elevator...and these two high-school white boys try to get on with me...and I just dove off. I said, "Y'all ain't killing me!". I am scared of young white boys.If you white and under 21, I am running for the hills.What the hell is wrong with these white kids shooting up the school? They don't even wait till 3:00 either. Killing people in the morning. That ain't right.

The Trenchcoat Mafia. "No one will play with us. We have no friends. We're the Trenchcoat Mafia." Hey, I saw the yearbook pictures. It was six of them. I didn't have six friends in high school. I don't got six friends now. shiat, that's three-on-three with a half court.

What the hell is wrong with these kids?I got people telling me, "Come on, Chris. Come up to a school. Talk to the kids." I'm like, "fark the kids! Do you got a vest? Maybe I'll think about it." Everybody wants to know what the kids was listening to. What kind of music was they listening to? Or what kind of movies was they watching? Who gives a fark what they was watching?

Whatever happened to crazy?

What happened to crazy? What, you can't be crazy no more? Did we eliminate "crazy" from the dictionary? fark the records. fark the movies. Crazy! When l was a kid, they used to separate the crazy kids from everybody. When I was a kid, the crazy kids went to school in a little-ass bus. They had a class at the end of the school. And they used to get out of school at 3:30...just in case they went crazy; they would only hurt other crazy kids. And we was all safe. We was all safe. Damn, the world's coming to an end. You'll have little white kids saying: "I want to go to a black school where it's safe."

Ah, more failures of no child left behind. Attendance counts more than grades, then put special needs kids in time out during national testing.

YAY!

poor, poor, american teachers. i feel for you, you know. i really do.

time out rooms are completely necessary. inclusion is important, but not when one kid's tantrum or violent fit is going to disrupt the learning of 30 other students, or when that fit can potentially harm the other students or teachers.

the people doing the criticising of these rooms should teach these kids for a week and see how quickly the quiet room becomes a nonissue.

Well, the quiet room needs to be set up for that purpose and non-injuring (so, no just chucking a kid in the closet and definitely no improvising duct tape for restraints) but the concept of quiet rooms, yeah, I don't see what the problem is.

It's the "padded room." Sometimes you need one.

Seems some of the injuries were from fighting kids trying to put them in there? Perhaps some work there is in order, but, dunno.

My mom has to deal with these kids. Kids who have no business being in a regular classroom.

Perhaps the peopl in favor of banning tim-out-rooms should have to deal with these kids for a few weeks. They WILL change their tune.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

Ah yes. Equal treatment without equal accountability.

/Isn't this a little politically incorrect?

Special Ed? They got it made.

I approve of the quiet rooms.

Sim Tree: Okay, banning pinching kids I can understand, but why ban time-out rooms? Am I missing something here?

When a small kid goes into a tantrum, you put him in an understimulating room until he regains control of himself. Small children can get very emotional, and I can only imagine that getting worse if the kid is physically 16.

What else do they want to do? Hold up the entire class until the special ed student stops screaming? That will go over well.

Yes, but how long before they dump these mainstreamed kids in the quiet room just to avoid teaching them?

My family is struggling with this decision. Is mainstreaming our autistic son the best thing for him?

Quiet room? Yeah, they're needed. But there is a problem when someone abuses them and "forgets" that the kid is in there.

You know who else put mentally challenged children in special rooms?

Single White Male: You know who else put mentally challenged children in special rooms?

To bad he lost the war.

Those incident reports show how center staff at times restrained Reuben on the floor, in one report, holding him down for "ten minutes" after he misbehaved.


And on other occasions, how staff closed him into the "quiet room", where they noted he was "banging" and "ramming his body against the door."

Maybe the reason they restrain him is because he bangs his head against the wall and the reason he is in a separate room to bang his head against the wall is because we complain about him being restrained.

Electric. Cattle. Prod.

Fark the time-out, bring the voltage.

and if you suggest school vouchers you will be so unpopular, what about the interview with the father(s)? oh yeah they ran off....now the single mom expects the government to educate her precious flower who would/will disrupt any class it is put in, so the normal kids cant learn. how about just give the tards a voucher and send em' off to a "special" school where they can get the attention and compassion they need with driving the rest of us farkin nuts.

Gosh, the US is headed for so much fail the next 20 years.

"I work with retards."

"Isn't that a little politically incorrect?"

"Yeah, maybe, but hell, no one's gonna tell me who I can and can't work with. "


/obscure? on fark?

Crosshair: My mom has to deal with these kids. Kids who have no business being in a regular classroom.

Perhaps the peopl in favor of banning tim-out-rooms should have to deal with these kids for a few weeks. They WILL change their tune.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

Ah yes. Equal treatment without equal accountability.

Try parenting one.

Also, autism doesn't necessarily mean stupid. Don't lump my kid in with the downs syndrome kids. I think we'll have to have special classrooms for the autistics with as few as five students/each with an aide.

/go forth with your argument in re down syndrome vs. downs syndrome

The real answer: euthanasia.

Hey, the threat of retard-strength empowered individuals is dangerous to ignore.

Ennuipoet: /Isn't this a little politically incorrect?

damn

/F5 is my friend...

It is a sad day when passing knowledge is forbidden.

Madame Ovary: Crosshair: My mom has to deal with these kids. Kids who have no business being in a regular classroom.

Perhaps the peopl in favor of banning tim-out-rooms should have to deal with these kids for a few weeks. They WILL change their tune.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

Ah yes. Equal treatment without equal accountability.

Try parenting one.

Also, autism doesn't necessarily mean stupid. Don't lump my kid in with the downs syndrome kids. I think we'll have to have special classrooms for the autistics with as few as five students/each with an aide.

/go forth with your argument in re down syndrome vs. downs syndrome

Autism is a form of mental retardation



Have fun raising your retard

Griswold: "I work with retards."

"Isn't that a little politically incorrect?"

"Yeah, maybe, but hell, no one's gonna tell me who I can and can't work with. "


/obscure? on fark?

Not obscure at all.

My family is struggling with this decision. Is mainstreaming our autistic son the best thing for him?

I am a teacher who regularly has special ed. kids mainstreamed into my classroom. I usually have at least one or two autistic kids as part of inclusion, in addition to others with various disabilities. Depending on their disability, they are either a joy to teach or can ruin an entire class of 30 7th graders. You don't get any support from the administrators either. It's the law that they have to be included, even if it means nobody else can learn.

On the other side of it, I am also a parent of an autistic child who is fairly high-functioning. However, we decided to homeschool him because it is not fair for me to expect a teacher to spend 40 - 50% of her time on his particular needs while the rest of the class suffers. I know it's my legal right to mainstream him in a regular classroom, but I also know it's not fair to everyone else to do that. If your school system has a good autism program, go for it. If not, we are very pleased with his progress at home. For some autistic kids, the noise and disruption in a regular classroom is way too much stimulation and it shuts them down completely.

markfara: Griswold: "I work with retards."

"Isn't that a little politically incorrect?"

"Yeah, maybe, but hell, no one's gonna tell me who I can and can't work with. "


/obscure? on fark?

Not obscure at all.

I call it awesome.

The real answer: euthanasia.

You know who else thought it would be cool to kill the "undesirables"?


That's right, Henry Ford.

Maybe we can get these kids on Jet-Skis.

Madame Ovary: Crosshair: My mom has to deal with these kids. Kids who have no business being in a regular classroom.

Perhaps the peopl in favor of banning tim-out-rooms should have to deal with these kids for a few weeks. They WILL change their tune.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

Ah yes. Equal treatment without equal accountability.

Try parenting one.

Also, autism doesn't necessarily mean stupid. Don't lump my kid in with the downs syndrome kids. I think we'll have to have special classrooms for the autistics with as few as five students/each with an aide.

/go forth with your argument in re down syndrome vs. downs syndrome

And people wonder why we spend so much on education. Sorry about your kid, but why should we go out of our way for everything? if a kid can go to school, let them, if they cannot, stay home. Maybe have a small general special ed classroom like we used to, fine. But 5 kids per teacher with aides? Why should a mentally retarded child use far more resources than a normal one?

I don't mean this in any cruel way.

Madame Ovary: Crosshair: My mom has to deal with these kids. Kids who have no business being in a regular classroom.

Perhaps the peopl in favor of banning tim-out-rooms should have to deal with these kids for a few weeks. They WILL change their tune.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

Ah yes. Equal treatment without equal accountability.

Try parenting one.

Also, autism doesn't necessarily mean stupid. Don't lump my kid in with the downs syndrome kids. I think we'll have to have special classrooms for the autistics with as few as five students/each with an aide.

/go forth with your argument in re down syndrome vs. downs syndrome

LOL, so your autistic kid is not "stupid" like the downs kids? You farking moron, you probably don't know that plenty of autistic kids are, in fact, lower functioning that down's kids. And people with down's often have nice personalities, unlike most of those with autism.

/Works with both, people with Down Syndrome are generally easier to deal with than those with autism.

a kid killed himself in one of those recently.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/17/seclusion.rooms/

As one who used to work with DD kids, you are all farking sick! These kids need patience and tolerance, not seclusion and beatings. For non-DD kids I can see how time outs might be appropriate, but you people are farking stupid!

thatguyfred:
Autism is a form of mental retardation

Have fun raising your retard

Early nomination for 2009's Dick of the Year.

GORDON: thatguyfred:
Autism is a form of mental retardation

Have fun raising your retard

Early nomination for 2009's Dick of the Year.

Thats what she said

Diagnosed with conditions including bipolar disorder and ADHD ...

Ah, the fake Special Eds. Funny how twenty years ago these didn't exist, and the public classrooms functioned just fine when I was in them -- well, at least socially.

They are politically (No Child Left Behind), pharmaceutically-driven (shove meds down your kids' throats for our profit), teachers' union-based (give us more funding!) BS drivel.

Parents, get the belt out, it is much cheaper and more socially responsible.

Trajan's Call'Em: As one who used to work with DD kids, you are all farking sick! These kids need patience and tolerance, not seclusion and beatings. For non-DD kids I can see how time outs might be appropriate, but you people are farking stupid!

I think someone needs a little time in the quiet room...

Trajan's Call'Em: As one who used to work with DD kids, you are all farking sick! These kids need patience and tolerance, not seclusion and beatings. For non-DD kids I can see how time outs might be appropriate, but you people are farking stupid!

Then perhaps parents of said children can pay more in taxes for the extra resources needed?

The Decider: The real answer: euthanasia.

You know who else thought it would be cool to kill the "undesirables"?


That's right, Henry Ford.

And his work lives on!

Highway fatalities world-wide total in the millions. Couldn't have come up with a better eugenics system myself.

dahmers love zombie: Fun fact: If an emotionally/mentally disabled child injures another child, and it is found that the first child's disability was the main reason for the assault, that child CAN NOT be punished or removed from the classroom.

This message is brought to you by the letters A, D, and A.

/inclusion sucks

Maybe not (which is farking STUPID), but the parents can sue the ever-loving shiat out of the retard's parents. I, for one, would find for the plaintiff.

I Can Lick Window? (new window)

thatguyfred
GORDON: thatguyfred:
Autism is a form of mental retardation

Have fun raising your retard

Early nomination for 2009's Dick of the Year.

Thats what she said

OK, let's make that Asshole of the years.

/That's what HE said.

So... quiet rooms are horrible eh?

Try spending time in any of these so-called 'alternative education' facilities. Three basic types: The person too drunk/stoned/idiotic to pay attention to policies (usually leading to abusive situations), cherry-picking idiosyncratic sycophants wanting to rise up and start out at the low end by snitching on any alleged infraction, or wide-eyed bushy-tailed 'every child needs a HUG!' newbies.

Spent time in the trenches with so-called 'special education' students. Autistic, ODD, ADHD, other behavioral issues. Every single incident with a child is thoroughly written up, and on the average day you would have two or three kids going into fits. Special Education no longer really means what we grew up around. Now it is a dumping ground for every misanthropic child who cannot/will not control themselves in everyday classroom environments to the point that they must be removed.

Now imagine every story which you hear on Fark about the regular classrooms . . . and imagine being in a situation with (if you're lucky) one other teacher/aide, 25 kids, and textbooks from ten to twenty years ago. I witnessed staff slapping kids, telling them that they were farking worthless as human beings, all sorts . . . yet was requested to leave after breaking up a fight where a student pulled a knife trying to attack the teacher I was working beside because the TEACHER decided I had gone about it the wrong way.

At that point I had a few years of experience in the field, and followed all of the requirements of such handling (soft, or bodily, methods of restraint) under state and federal guidelines.

If regular education is a joke, special ed is an even bigger one.

/Still has his scar (nice sized one too)
// Was refused unemployment for all of the
///slashies.

Trajan's Call'Em: As one who used to work with DD kids, you are all farking sick! These kids need patience and tolerance, not seclusion and beatings. For non-DD kids I can see how time outs might be appropriate, but you people are farking stupid!

Tell me, when a child is determined to hurt someone else or themselves with physical aggression, you reject seclusion or restraint as a last resort?

thatguyfred: Have fun raising your retard

Of course, if you said that to my face, you would be missing your testicles right now and I would be wearing them as fashionable earrings. . . but many autistic kids are highly intelligent. Mine could read fluently at age two and he almost gave an elderly man a heart attack at the store when he pointed out that the man's pocket was the shape of a trapezoid. He was 16 months old at the time. At age eight he could repair any washing machine and actually fixed our neighbor's machine.

Since Webster's defines retard as: a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way, I think you just defined yourself.

Sim Tree: When a small kid goes into a tantrum, you put him in an understimulating room until he regains control of himself. send him home so his parents can deal with his shiat.Small children can get very emotional, and I can only imagine that getting worse if the kid is physically 16.

A friend of mine teaches one of these classes. She wasn't told it was a Spec. Ed. class, and she doesn't even have the certifications to do it. But every other teacher in the county knows how vicious these little snots are and refuses to have anything to do with them. And as soon as she can get another job, she's out of there, too. Not only are the 6 to 8 year olds physically abusive (punching, kicking, spitting), she is stuck with two 3 year olds that aren't toilet trained. WTF are 3 year olds doing in school anyway? Why? Because society now accepts the fact that schools are just day care centers anyway.

I don't know why anyone would be a teacher in this day and age. Bless those who can put up with this kind of crap.