Surprise, surprise. Dubya's closest aides think he did a heck of a job. I sincerely believe they enjoyed drinking a beer with him.

Medicare. Iraq. Bankruptcy law. Katrina. The economy.

Who cares what these people say? The results speak for themselves.

Once again loyalty trumps ability.

I absolutely love this eleventh-hour crony stuff. I'm sorry George, your legacy is going to be bad. A handful of staffers you send out to give interviews right before you're out the door won't do the trick.

Marcus Aurelius: Medicare. Iraq. Bankruptcy law. Katrina. The economy.

Who cares what these people say? The results speak for themselves.

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil.

A few years from now history will judge W. and when it does the results will be:
1) no terrorist attack since 9-11
2) no more Saddam Hussein
3) keeping a global economy afloat despite the over-regulation that dems pushed through forcing banks to give loans to those who can't pay them
4) a democratic Afghanistan and Iraq
5) the most racially diverse set of appointees in presidential history

/It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

While I still do not believe that Bush will be judged as the worst President in history. I do have a feeling that much like Nixon, fark ups by Presidents for the next thirty years will be dismissed by the refrain, "Well, at least he's not Bush".

I Said: Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil.

I have to argue against the validity that this was Bush's doing. I say this because I happen to have a terrorism proof rock which prevents terrorists from harming people in the United States. You only need to look at the lack of terrorist attacks that we have experienced since 9/11 to know that the rock is truly the power behind our collective safety.

I can sell anybody the terrorism proof rock for a reasonable price, only $1,000. It may sound like a lot, but can you really put a price on safety and security?

I Said

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but al Qaeda took eight years between the 1993 WTC attacks and those in 2001.

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but Bush was the President during the worst ever terror attacks on America, so you can't really claim he "kept us safe".

I Said

Your other five points are perfectly valid, though.

He did a heck of a job. Yup. Heck. Of. A. Job.

And I think that his own words sum up his performance in the Big Chair.

I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

The sad thing is that you know this is what half the country really believes.

I Said: 1) no terrorist attack since 9-11

Nope. No one sent any anthrax through the mail or anything.

I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Doh! I should read the whole post next time.

/consider myself successfully trolled
//my a idiot

mamoru: I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Doh! I should read the whole post next time.

/consider myself successfully trolled
//my a idiot

The whole reason I put that slashie in there was to avoid trolling the thread. I thought the troll would be too subtle without it.

I Said: The whole reason I put that slashie in there was to avoid trolling the thread. I thought the troll would be too subtle without it.

My kung-fu fists were definitely twitching before I got to your disclaimer. The over-regulation thing in particular since I know multiple people of the exact same f*cking opinion, no matter how much I try to show them otherwise.

Senescent Dawn: I Said: The whole reason I put that slashie in there was to avoid trolling the thread. I thought the troll would be too subtle without it.

My kung-fu fists were definitely twitching before I got to your disclaimer. The over-regulation thing in particular since I know multiple people of the exact same f*cking opinion, no matter how much I try to show them otherwise.

I got that from the business tab and a few friends who won't talk to me about it anymore. Drives me farking nuts everytime I see that argument.

This is the lamest attempt at legacy-building ever. This entire thing is basically:

"Be patient - history *may* show he may not have been the worst president ever."

Hell of a presidency.

I agree. I don't think there were any strings at all. I'm pretty sure Cheney had to shove his hand up Dubya's ass; he just seems like that kind of puppet.

I Said: Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil.

The guy who shot six people at the LAX check-in counter and the guy who mailed anthrax to the Senate and the people who work at the US Consulate in Istanbul and the people who work at the US Consulate in Karachi would all like to talk to you about this thing that we supposedly haven't noticed......

So Bush is totally responsible for this clusterfark of an administration?

Great planning on helping your legacy, Dubya.

Talk about major league warrrgarbl.

Operation "Protect The Bush Legacy"

Step 1. Lie.
Step 2. Lie.
Step 3. Lie.
Step 4. Hope people are really , really stupid.
Step 5. Lie.

I Said: 3) keeping a global economy afloat despite the over-regulation that dems pushed through forcing banks to give loans to those who can't pay them


If only the Republicans had a majority that could have stopped their dastardly deeds...

4) a democratic Afghanistan and Iraq

Detroit's democratic too, but it doesn't mean anyone wants to live there...


5) the most racially diverse set of appointees in presidential history

...thus showing that farking up knows no racial boundaries.

only a republican can raise the Art Of Lying to this level. they're Professionals. it took them 25 years to get this good.

mamoru: I Said: 1) no terrorist attack since 9-11

Nope. No one sent any anthrax through the mail or anything.

that's like saying a tornado hasn't hit my house yet, so my weather radio is working well!!

I Said: mamoru: I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Doh! I should read the whole post next time.

/consider myself successfully trolled
//my a idiot

The whole reason I put that slashie in there was to avoid trolling the thread. I thought the troll would be too subtle without it.

The sad thing is, it was too subtle even WITH the slashie.

And I thought it was bad back in 2000 - the wharrgarbl that's said in earnest nowadays is so off-the-wall that otherwise batshiat positions sound perfectly reasonable nowadays.

Of course Cheney didn't pull any strings. There have been great advances in animatronics, even since the Reagan era.

"Bring it ON". i can't imagine what is so arrogant about that. well, bushie, they brought it on.

Linux_Yes: only a republican can raise the Art Of Lying to this level. they're Professionals. it took them 25 years to get this good.

1. Train your party in the art of lying
2. Train your followers in the art of stupidity
3. Profit.

I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Goddamn it, you got me.

The distance between sarcastic trolling and actual beliefs has been narrowing these past years...

I Said: Marcus Aurelius: Medicare. Iraq. Bankruptcy law. Katrina. The economy.

Who cares what these people say? The results speak for themselves.

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil.

/It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Of course, there was no foreign terrorist attack on American soil before Bush took office. Hell, even Clinton managed to stop Bin Laden on American soil.

As for the rest of your points:

2) no more Saddam Hussein True. And with his removal, everything is perfect!
3) keeping a global economy afloat despite the over-regulation that dems pushed through forcing banks to give loans to those who can't pay them Um...the deregulation (R) feeding frenzy had more than a little bit to do with our current situation. And only a fool could possibly believe that low income housing is the source of our current problems.
4) a democratic Afghanistan and Iraq Taliban back in Afghanistan because we pulled resources to Iraq - which now has a democraticlly elected government sympathetic to Iran.
5) the most racially diverse set of appointees in presidential history I guess race is the only thing that matters. Effectiveness?

DeaH: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Of course, there was no foreign terrorist attack on American soil before Bush took office. Hell, even Clinton managed to stop Bin Laden on American soil.

Ok, YOU have no excuse. You even quoted the line where he said he was trolling ;)

Honestly, would you enjoy having people observe you day in and day out, endlessly crying out with judgements, without knowing WHY you did the things you do?

Folks keep acting as if they have all of the cards because Anderson Cooper or Christine Amanpour had a hard hitting story about something. The cold, hard facts of the matter are that we don't get presidential briefings. We cannot say with 100% confidence that we know everything he knows. Until we can, folks should hold off on their definitive judgements.

IXI Jim IXI: DeaH: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

Of course, there was no foreign terrorist attack on American soil before Bush took office. Hell, even Clinton managed to stop Bin Laden on American soil.

Ok, YOU have no excuse. You even quoted the line where he said he was trolling ;)

True. But, sarcastic or not, (and I will not pretend to greater understand than I really have) it needs to be refuted. Often and loudly.

Senescent Dawn: I absolutely love this eleventh-hour crony stuff. I'm sorry George, your legacy is going to be bad. A handful of staffers you send out to give interviews right before you're out the door won't do the trick.

This. But it does sum up his administrations entire approach to governing, deny the problem until the 11th hour and then make a half assed attempt to fix it. Enjoy the rest of your life being known as the guy who killed the Republican Party and the Reagan Revolution George!

Linux_Yes: only a republican can raise the Art Of Lying to this level. they're Professionals. it took them 25 years to get this good.

Nonsense, if the Dems had Pravda type operations like NewsCorp and Clear Channel at their disposal and a grotesquely incompetent administration to protect in order to salvage their own credibility they would play the appeal to morons card just as hard.

DeathByGeekSquad: We cannot say with 100% confidence that we know everything he knows. Until we can, folks should hold off on their definitive judgements.

I hope you reserve the same standards for all world leaders, like Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, and Hamas.

unlikely: I Said: /It hurts me much less to post this sarcastically, then it does to read someone else posting it seriously.

The sad thing is that you know this is what half the country really believes.

I think it's probably more like a quarter that are the crazy.

/ducks head in

/thanks Hideously Gigantic Smurf

/leaves satisfied

Brainwash: /ducks head in

/thanks Hideously Gigantic Smurf

/leaves satisfied

Sure. Meanwhile, we're left with the ducks.

Why are people responding in earnest to I Said's post when he clearly states IN THE F*CKING POST that he's being sarcastic.

I mean, Christ, some are even quoting the part where he points out he's being sarcastic. How do you people get through an entire day without swallowing your own tongues?

Brainwash: /ducks head in

/thanks Hideously Gigantic Smurf

/leaves satisfied

Yeah, can't believe I'm the only guy who thought of that.

Marcus Aurelius: I Said

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but al Qaeda took eight years between the 1993 WTC attacks and those in 2001.

Um, maybe you didn't notice, but Bush was the President during the worst ever terror attacks on America, so you can't really claim he "kept us safe".

This. He can't say that he had only been president for a short time (235 days) and try to lay blame on the previous administration.

DeathByGeekSquad: Honestly, would you enjoy having people observe you day in and day out, endlessly crying out with judgements, without knowing WHY you did the things you do?

Folks keep acting as if they have all of the cards because Anderson Cooper or Christine Amanpour had a hard hitting story about something. The cold, hard facts of the matter are that we don't get presidential briefings. We cannot say with 100% confidence that we know everything he knows. Until we can, folks should hold off on their definitive judgements.

He didn't need a g*d d*mn briefing to explain the Constitution but that hasn't stopped him from pissing all over it for the last 8 years.

Peter von Nostrand: DeathByGeekSquad: Honestly, would you enjoy having people observe you day in and day out, endlessly crying out with judgements, without knowing WHY you did the things you do?

Folks keep acting as if they have all of the cards because Anderson Cooper or Christine Amanpour had a hard hitting story about something. The cold, hard facts of the matter are that we don't get presidential briefings. We cannot say with 100% confidence that we know everything he knows. Until we can, folks should hold off on their definitive judgements.

He didn't need a g*d d*mn briefing to explain the Constitution but that hasn't stopped him from pissing all over it for the last 8 years.

Just as you don't need asterisks to type out god damn. I'll be waiting for that fiery bolt of holy revenge.

Whatever happened, and whatever was discussed, will come to the surface in due time. Right now people are working with table scraps when a little patience will reward them with a much larger set of data to work with.

No, but he did pull the trigger.

if anybody is interested, vanity fair has an amazing oral history of the bush white house on its website. its 15 pages of people who worked with bush giving the history as they saw it. im surprised it hasn't been green lighted on fark yet.. but then again, with the sheer amount of petty bullshiat that gets green instead of genuinely interesting material, im not too surprised.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902
Link (new window)

DamnYankees: DeathByGeekSquad: We cannot say with 100% confidence that we know everything he knows. Until we can, folks should hold off on their definitive judgements.

I hope you reserve the same standards for all world leaders, like Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, and Hamas.

Bush does not equate to those people/group, at least he hasn't yet, who knows what the future will hold.

As for Hamas, my only 100% confident critique of them is their use of civilians as shields. Either get a uniform or quit using the populace as a crutch whenever you get your ass handed to you.

"They killed babies, and a commander!"

You killed the babies by putting a HVT next to them.