Just think of the money they will save on their HMO costs due to the lack of pregnancies.

*adds that to his resume*

If they provide a pee jar and unlimited supplies of coffee, i'm there!

Yeah, that sounds good until you hear your co-worker scream "LEEEEEROY JENKINS" and charge into the break room.

/for the Horde!

jake_lex: Yeah, that sounds good until you hear your co-worker scream "LEEEEEROY JENKINS" and charge into the break room.

/for the Horde!

sigh
can't stop laughing

I heard WoW also teaches abstinence too.

Yes, because WoW is the only game that leadership is involved in. Ever.

Eh, taken without context it sounds pretty absurd, but take almost any guild leader who runs a guild of 75-100+ players and puts them through 24 member instances which require more than a warm drool dispensing body to beat and I'm sure they have a bit of leadership skills. Maybe not conventional ones, but hey. The other 23 raiders? Not so much.

Article is pure bull. MMO's existed before WoW and will exist after it and WoW is probably the easiest one out there. The only thing it teaches you is that coddling players with super easy content will keep them playing longer.

I heard a rumor back in the 80s that some Fortune 500 company (can't recall which -- maybe even IBM) had Gauntlet machines on Free Play in the break room; because it supposedly developed teamwork and esprit de corps.

/except when the ^&% elf shoots you through the corners. I hated that elf.

Maudite: Article is pure bull. MMO's existed before WoW and will exist after it and WoW is probably the easiest one out there. The only thing it teaches you is that coddling players with super easy content will keep them playing longer.

Making the game "fun" for most people, in other words?

/ex WoW player

Simply pro-WOW propaganda due to recent anti-WOW propaganda. The fascists will still win.

Maudite: Article is pure bull. MMO's existed before WoW and will exist after it and WoW is probably the easiest one out there. The only thing it teaches you is that coddling players with super easy content will keep them playing longer.

I've wondered about that. I have no idea what makes WoW better than any other MMO, considering on the surface it looks and plays like any other. In the end you're just watching your player hack things or fish or cook meat for hours, just to watch your experience bar fill, ever so slowly.

Ah well. It's better if I don't know, I guess. I'll just get to level 25 and realize I'm wasting my evenings on a grindfest again.

I Like Bread:

Ah well. It's better if I don't know, I guess. I'll just get to level 25 and realize I'm wasting my evenings on a grindfest again.

or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

/skills are timebased and not ingame.

Maudite: Article is pure bull. MMO's existed before WoW and will exist after it and WoW is probably the easiest one out there. The only thing it teaches you is that coddling players with super easy content will keep them playing longer.

So how's Age of Conan and/or Warhammer working out for you?

I Like Bread: Maudite: Article is pure bull. MMO's existed before WoW and will exist after it and WoW is probably the easiest one out there. The only thing it teaches you is that coddling players with super easy content will keep them playing longer.

I've wondered about that. I have no idea what makes WoW better than any other MMO, considering on the surface it looks and plays like any other. In the end you're just watching your player hack things or fish or cook meat for hours, just to watch your experience bar fill, ever so slowly.

Ah well. It's better if I don't know, I guess. I'll just get to level 25 and realize I'm wasting my evenings on a grindfest again.

For me it's definitely the people. You can spend 2 hours questing by yourself, go do a dungeon with an experienced group of friends for 45 minutes and then hearth to a town where you are treated to an elaborate presentation of the most inane bullshiat on the face of the planet spewing forth from multiple sources with extremely bad grammar that reaches levels of awesomeness unattainable except to those that participated in a gigantic food fight in an insane asylum. And within all this hilariously grand chaos a small number of squares, buzz kills and otherwise "srs bzns" folks will wade through the garbage attempting to either curtail the invasion of stupidity or conduct their business.

Such engaging verbal wars leave me doubled in laughter on most good days and glad of it's existence on bad days. It confirms to me the awesomeness of humanity as a species, whereas reading comments on websites where supposedly serious discussion takes place makes me weep for our future.

/eh... ending threadjack.

bhcompy: or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

/skills are timebased and not ingame.

A friend once described his EVE gameplay to me. It sounded like all the excitement of checking his email and balancing his checkbook.

Of course, he is pretty far down the autism spectrum and someone screaming "that's a fifty DKP minus" at him over vent would probably have him in the corner rocking back and forth for an hour.

I applied for a job with IBM doing tech support.

Why didn't I get that job?

I was told that I didn't "know Windows XP well enough"...

This is despite the fact that I told the dude doing the interview that I knew Windows XP like the back of my hand, and most likely better than he did.

Here's to IBM having managers that hire people who are friends...

Side note: My new roommate works for the company that I interviewed for. He states that the (and this is verbatim) "tech support sucks ass, because the guys don't know what the hell they are doing. I'm down for two hours at a time, being that they're off googling what is wrong".

Grats, IBM.

equilibrium:
Of course, he is pretty far down the autism spectrum and someone screaming "that's a fifty DKP minus" at him over vent would probably have him in the corner rocking back and forth for an hour.

In his defense, it does sound fairly terrifying

Er... you can solo all the way to 80. Lead?

I came in because I remember a headline very recently saying that companies were avoiding people that play WoW because they were less productive or something.

Hastor: require more than a warm drool dispensing body

There are still hunters and rogues in the game.

I've played both.

Came for Leroy Jenkins, left pleased.

ignorantalmond: I applied for a job with IBM doing tech support.

Why didn't I get that job?

I was told that I didn't "know Windows XP well enough"...

This is despite the fact that I told the dude doing the interview that I knew Windows XP like the back of my hand, and most likely better than he did.

Here's to IBM having managers that hire people who are friends...

Side note: My new roommate works for the company that I interviewed for. He states that the (and this is verbatim) "tech support sucks ass, because the guys don't know what the hell they are doing. I'm down for two hours at a time, being that they're off googling what is wrong".

Grats, IBM.

TIP: When you tell the guy who is interviewing you that you're better than him, you're not getting the job ;)

They must be working hard to tighten up those graphics on level 3.

As a software manager responsible for hiring in my last job, I agree. We saw that gamers with a knack for complex games, and those who were admins or guild leaders, had an advantage other job seekers didn't.

But then many gamers have no ability to stay focused on the job. They let the internet distract them every 5 minutes.

The best ones were those who knew there were times for games and time for work. We didn't see them too often.

equilibrium: bhcompy: or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

/skills are timebased and not ingame.

A friend once described his EVE gameplay to me. It sounded like all the excitement of checking his email and balancing his checkbook.

Of course, he is pretty far down the autism spectrum and someone screaming "that's a fifty DKP minus" at him over vent would probably have him in the corner rocking back and forth for an hour.

He must not be in goonfleet.

zephyr_words 2009-01-02 01:25:49 AM
I came in because I remember a headline very recently saying that companies were avoiding people that play WoW because they were less productive or something.

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bhcompy: or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

Sorry. EVE Online players are INSANE. I think WoW players can't hold a candle to EVE players in terms of time spent, dedication, obsession, and SRS BZNS focus.

I tried the game for a while but couldn't get over how many of its "skills" were fighting the stupid UI. For example, to go between zones you have to do every jump manually by pointing your ship before you warp to the next starzone, instead of using autopilot, because it might expose your ship for TWO EXTRA SECONDS. (The WoW analogy would be like having to manually nurse every flight path, because you might land on the ground for two seconds and get ganked and permanently lose your armor and/or level.) Stupid stupid stupid game design. At least in WoW you can get a drink, make a phone call, or whatever. Sometimes you have to do over 20 jumps to get to where you're going.

Also, in EVE, you can't get a decent ship unless you join a guild and they take pity on you by giving you isk. There's just no way to solo yourself to any decent level of power. Because of this, there's a much more intricate economy and much more intricate politics, meaning you have to devote a lot more time to guild business, again leading to far more commitment than WoW usually requires (even if you're in a raiding guild).

WoW is the favorite of the masses because every day you can log in and do something that gets you a bit further -- first gaining levels, then levelling a profession, getting some gold in dailies, getting badges from dungeon runs, etc. Blizzard understands and caters to the psychology of human satisfaction better than any other MMO maker out there. If you want SRS BZNS, then WoW is probably not for you. But that's why EVE is there.

WoW helps build leadership!

Let's see you try to get 24 other people to all move in rhtyhm and avoid giant fires that shoot out of the ground, all the while healing and casting spells.

IT TAKES SKILL DAMNIT.

/fark you Heigan and your stupid dance.

ignorantalmond: I applied for a job with IBM doing tech support.

Why didn't I get that job?

I was told that I didn't "know Windows XP well enough"...

This is despite the fact that I told the dude doing the interview that I knew Windows XP like the back of my hand, and most likely better than he did.

Here's to IBM having managers that hire people who are friends...

Side note: My new roommate works for the company that I interviewed for. He states that the (and this is verbatim) "tech support sucks ass, because the guys don't know what the hell they are doing. I'm down for two hours at a time, being that they're off googling what is wrong".

Grats, IBM.

reminds me of my brief stint with them doing support for field techs. they fired me after 2 weeks because i had nothing to do. i checked my queue every 30 seconds, still had nothing to do.

had a friend who was there over a year, top stats in the center, was promised a promotion and never got one. that little letter he wrote did the trick when he walked out of the building right after e-mailing it out.

another friend of mine works there and loves her job. i just don't know.

The only leadership skills I learned from that game was how to lure high-end aggies into player towns. For the Lulz!

jake_lex: Yeah, that sounds good until you hear your co-worker scream "LEEEEEROY JENKINS" and charge into the break room.

THAT'S 50 DKP MINUS!!!

Obligatory
/Big EvE fan
//CEO of corp in 0.0 alliance
///me submits resume to IBM

Sure. MMO players generally have good organizational skills, they plan, they read ahead, and they develop and adapt to strategies very well.

THere's a very usable and valuable skill in not only making plans, but following and improving on them as you go along. MMO'ers are great at this.

WoW's market success is due to understanding not everyone wants high level raiding all the time, or hardcore, to the bone PVP all the time. Give everyone something to do when ever they log on, and guess what - people log on more!

/3 quests in Icecrown from Loremaster of Northrend
//Also working on "What A Long Strange Trip it's Been" - have Hallow's Eve and Winter's Veil down, I don't think the other two holidays should be that hard.

Just don't schedule any meetings before 11:00am... WoW players won't show up if they had a progression raid the night before.

Corporate slave masters want you to believe that.

WoW isn't the only easy MMO, there is a free WoW Clone called Runes of Magic that is the same, but 'better' because it's free and has more interesting PvP options.

Interesting. I just read an article a few days ago written by a headhunter where they were urging people to NOT put their WoW experience on their resumes. The author had employers complaining to her about it. Apparently she never worked with IBM.

bhcompy: or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

Hiring an Eve player would expose the company to risk of serious sabotage and under-the-table buyouts. It doesn't take much for an Eve player to go all Lex Luthor on your ass, and the higher-ups definitely have the ability and the will.

MBK: WoW helps build leadership!

Let's see you try to get 24 other people to all move in rhtyhm and avoid giant fires that shoot out of the ground, all the while healing and casting spells.

IT TAKES SKILL DAMNIT.

/fark you Heigan and your stupid dance.

Heigan is easy, you new raiders need to go back and do sunwell.

/try avoiding being near other players because you have an AOE dot on yourself
//and at the same time dodging aoe meteors
///and at the same time having to collapse into a shield to absorb another aoe and then scatter in a specific way so the healers can do their job healing all that aoe damage without getting splattered by it.
////and at the same time put out more dps than god to beat the enrage timer on both the boss and two flavors of adds
//Kil'jaeden was real raiding ;-D
//Sad that blizzard is making raiding so easy now, I prefer the raids come out hard and then get nerfed =(

ignorantalmond: I applied for a job with IBM doing tech support.

Why didn't I get that job? I was told that I didn't "know Windows XP well enough"...

This is despite the fact that I told the dude doing the interview that I knew Windows XP like the back of my hand, and most likely better than he did.

Here's to IBM having managers that hire people who are friends...

I highlighted why you did not get that job for you.

I'm sure it's more of a distraction for the contractors so they will ignore the fact that they will never make it to the Second-Class-Citizen world of LTS (Long Term Supplemental), as well as to distract the LTS people from the fact that they get screwed in the patootie compared to what IBMers get.

shift_DAWG: I heard a rumor back in the 80s that some Fortune 500 company (can't recall which -- maybe even IBM) had Gauntlet machines on Free Play in the break room; because it supposedly developed teamwork and esprit de corps.

/except when the ^&% elf shoots you through the corners. I hated that elf.

ELF... SHOT THE FOOD.

You bastard! I needed that!

Hastor: Eh, taken without context it sounds pretty absurd, but take almost any guild leader who runs a guild of 75-100+ players and puts them through 24 member instances which require more than a warm drool dispensing body to beat and I'm sure they have a bit of leadership skills. Maybe not conventional ones, but hey. The other 23 raiders? Not so much.

When did we stop talking about WoW? If anything, that overstates the requirements for that game's dungeons and raids.

//Priest for a couple years.
//Dropped the game at the first "expansion"s useless repackaging of old content. Playing Warhammer now, which hasn't had a chance to start getting old yet.

saintstryfe
//Also working on "What A Long Strange Trip it's Been" - have Hallow's Eve and Winter's Veil down, I don't think the other two holidays should be that hard.

There are five more holidays for the achievement, and if you didn't join the beer of the month club this past brewfest you're going to have to wait until October, 2010 before you get your proto-drake. >_>

bhcompy:

or you could play EVE and have no grind at all while having a reallife to boot

/skills are timebased and not ingame.

This, this 100X THIS!

I've played EVE for 2 years now, and my SO has played since Beta. I'm currently the CEO of a 100+ man 0.0 corp in a medium sized Alliance (which I also hold a leadership position in) and I must say, I've learned more real world applicable skills playing EVE than I did playing Warcrap or Evercrack.

Eve can become like a second job, though, especially if you have any kind of leadership position.

/Also a girl
//No one in Eve but her corp knows
///Eve players are a bit more sexist than most other games, but I blame attention whores for that.

Does WoW (and other games) teach leadership skills to guild officers or do people with innate leadership skills just naturally become the ones that form and organize guilds?

punka55: Does WoW (and other games) teach leadership skills to guild officers or do people with innate leadership skills just naturally become the ones that form and organize guilds?

Or have people realized that it takes no real leadership qualities, just someone to say, "Hey, do your prescribed task".

What happens in most guilds? Drama. What happens? It never gets resolved, people leave and still have the drama between them. Leaders resolve, and remove when necessary as a last resort.