When you've got fark all else to do, and the only thing everyone else seems to be interested in is lobbing rockets, do you think there will ever be a point where all individual members of Hamas think "You know what? fark this. I'm taking up macrame."?

Clearly Hamas never played "Don't Wake Daddy"

/By Parker Brothers!

If you don't like living in Gaza then move to Barbados.

Can we just bomb the entire region to crap, killing them all?

This shiat will never end.

The Israel video's are cool, it really shows they are targeting the bad guys.

A missile up the rear end sure makes for a fun shot. All those rockets being loaded on the trucks were just extra action when they went off as well.

Did the goal posts just move?

PoopStain: Hamas has been playing a kids game of "I'm poking you, I'm poking you, I'm poking you".

As much as I do not agree with disproportionate response, I think at some point Israel is going to have to deliver a parental smackdown to such a degree that Hamas' method is deemed too costly to keep up.

Now is as good a time as any. If some kid in the next yard kept firing BB's into my window, eventually I'm going over and beating the shiat out of his dad. This is no different.

That would be great, if Israels intention was anything remotely close to peace. Bombing Hamas is one thing; targeting civilians indiscriminately is at worst extermination and at best intentionally breeding new generations of opposition.
It is not parental in any way, it's a farking race war.

PoopStain: Hamas has been playing a kids game of "I'm poking you, I'm poking you, I'm poking you".

As much as I do not agree with disproportionate response, I think at some point Israel is going to have to deliver a parental smackdown to such a degree that Hamas' method is deemed too costly to keep up.

Now is as good a time as any. If some kid in the next yard kept firing BB's into my window, eventually I'm going over and beating the shiat out of his dad. This is no different.

"See, I'm a man of simple tastes. I like dynamite, and gunpowder, and gasoline! Do you know what all of these things have in common? They're cheap!"

There's two ways to go about this:
1) decimate the country of Palestine until it simply costs too much for them to build bombs.
2) elevate the country of Palestine until the average Palestinian's life is worth too much to waste building bombs.

I tend to figure that even if you bombed the hell out of the whole region so that there was nothing left but 10 guys and dirt, then you'd still have 10 guys harvesting dirt to make fertilizer bombs. But, if the average Palestinian was able to have a family of four and a $5k a year job, they might start to think "you know, I've got too good a thing going here to waste my free time tempting Israeli gunships."

"til" is short for "until", not "untill" RETARDMITTER!

PoopStain: disproportionate response

Let's look at Hamas' activity, shall we?




disproportionate response?!?!

PoopStain: disproportionate response

No, I think they've been very restrained. Call me when they get to this:

10 U.S.C. 311: disproportionate response?!?!

I wonder how you'd react if your home was stolen and you were put on a reservation?

moriarty23:

That would be great, if Israels intention was anything remotely close to peace. Bombing Hamas is one thing; targeting civilians indiscriminately is at worst extermination and at best intentionally breeding new generations of opposition.
It is not parental in any way, it's a farking race war.

If you use citizens/mosques/hospitals/schools as bases from which to lob bombs, anything that happens to those locations - or anything around those locations - is your fault, not Israel's

Is Israel blameless in this endless, horrible conflict? Absolutely not.

But the methods Hamas uses are intended to invoke the exact response you gave. It's a cynical, pornographic strategy that allows them to attack and not look as evil as Israel when the inevitable response kills civilians. Those dead civilians are EXACTLY what Hamas wants. They need it to happen, they need it on the front pages and on the news, and they make it happen.fark them

DarnoKonrad: 10 U.S.C. 311: disproportionate response?!?!

I wonder how you'd react if your home was stolen and you were put on a reservation?

*gets popcorn*

This is gonna be good

Stop attacking Israel.

Nuuu: But, if the average Palestinian was able to have a family of four and a $5k a year job, they might start to think "you know, I've got too good a thing going here to waste my free time tempting Israeli gunships."

if all it takes is upward mobility and a good life, why did 9/11 happen or why did the suicide bombers blow up the british subway system? they were all super educated and middle class, with advanced degrees. it has nothing to do with 'having something to lose.' it is all ideology. Palestinians are trained from childhood to kill themselves for the cause. giving them each a mansion and millions of dollars means nothing to them, if their life can have meaning by committing jihad.

DarnoKonrad: 10 U.S.C. 311: disproportionate response?!?!

I wonder how you'd react if your home was stolen and you were put on a reservation?

I'd like to think I'd do something other than move into the closest hospital, mosque or school and lob bombs from there in order shield myself using the sick/worshipers/children.

We can agree that those who are angry with Israel can have a legitimate beef, but they go about dealing with it in the most abhorrent way possible, right?

You attacked.

You list.

Give up and move.

DarnoKonrad: 10 U.S.C. 311: disproportionate response?!?!

I wonder how you'd react if your home was stolen and you were put on a reservation?



I wouldn't try to kill the offender's children.

priestrape: If you use citizens/mosques/hospitals/schools as bases from which to lob bombs, anything that happens to those locations - or anything around those locations - is your fault, not Israel's

Hey genius, when you're only working with 143 square miles that are populated with 1.2 million people, there's not exactly a ton of open space to be building military bases.

priestrape:
Those dead civilians are EXACTLY what Hamas wants. They need it to happen, they need it on the front pages and on the news, and they make it happen.fark them

I agree, 100 farking percent, but I don't have a horse in the race aside from my humanity so I can also see that the Israeli state wants those citizens dead and gone just as much as Hamas wants to martyr them. To not admit that Israel is an aggressive, genocidal state is to let your priorities dictate your truth.

Edsel: Hey genius, when you're only working with 143 square miles that are populated with 1.2 million people, there's not exactly a ton of open space to be building military bases.

they're in a small space, so they have to literally lob rockets from a hospitals. They have to stash and build bombs and armaments in residential buildings?

That's what you're going with? fark you for being that stupid

PoopStain: As much as I do not agree with disproportionate response, I think at some point Israel is going to have to deliver a parental smackdown to such a degree that Hamas' method is deemed too costly to keep up.

This wont work.

Hamas is not just a military organization. It is also a political organization, a relief organization, a police force, and yes terrorists.

When Israel retaliates at least some other branch of Hamas indirectly benefits:

- When a family is killed, Hamas provides relief to the victims.
- When a suicide bomber attacks Israel, Hamas gives money to their family.
- When Israel blockades medical supplies, Hamas smuggles them in.
- When Israel takes all these actions, it actually weakens the positions of rivals to Hamas that are for a peace agreement and strengthens the position of Hamas.

It didn't help matters that Fatah was essentially corrupt, but this is essentially how Hamas took over Palestine from them. It wasn't their military arm that gets the most respect from the average civilians but their aid organization instead and this provides a route for recruiting people into their terrorist and military organizations and reinforces their political dialogue of "resistance at any cost".

Make no mistake, Hamas is indifferent to the loss of human life and at this point I believe most Palestinians are as well, or at least accept it as the cost of their "resistance".

Furthermore, Israel risks lionizing Hamas as they did Hezbollah during their ill-fated 2006 campaign. I know people have a short memory, but back in 2006 Israel entered Lebanon with their massive military and faced a few thousand poorly armed Hezbollah fighters. Due to the nature of asymmetrical warfare, they were unable to achieve a concise victory or to "destroy Hezbollah", which means that when they eventually withdrew (as they must), Hezbollah's position was strengthened and they were widely viewed as victorious "resistance fighters" by the average Arab.

Israel's plan here is stupid. Their defense minister goes on t.v. and spouts off about "war to the bitter end", but this is not a strategy for removing Hamas from power (something I am sure they realize will be impossible despite their claims - no one in the actual military could be this naive). Instead they are setting themselves up for a big dose of fail if Hamas calls their bluff and no agreement is brokered before Israeli tanks roll into Gaza - the losers of course will be nearly everyone but Hamas, who will almost certainly survive and then be seen as "glorious resistance fighters" just as Hezbollah was.

I mean really people, this isn't even ancient history - this entire scenario happened nearly exactly the same a little over 2 years ago and was widely documented. Israel even did their own internal review of the Hezbollah action and came to the conclusion it was a huge political mistake.

This is what happens when you allow politicians to use military force as an electioneering tactic. Palestine has become a punching bag for votes depending on Israeli public sentiment and the Israeli government isn't even trying to hide it any more. Hell, does anyone really believe that they think they can roll into Gaza and kick out Hamas? Really?

No, instead they are going to roll in, get some video footage of them killing Palestinians for their electorate, and then roll out leaving behind a bunch of dead civilians and a lionized Hamas.

PoopStain: If some kid in the next yard kept firing BB's into my window, eventually I'm going over and beating the shiat out of his dad. This is no different.

I would say it's almost entirely different. Israel is not just using disproportionate force, but they are shooting wild and without a plan. As I stated above, "war to the bitter end" is not a regime change strategy. They know this, yet they say it anyway. The rhetoric coming out of Israel these last couple of days is disgusting and makes them look like adolescents instead of a democratic nation under the rule of law.

I have no actual problem with the concept of "using force" in response to attacks, even terrorist attacks. I do however, have a problem with force being used not as a means to an end (a military objective) but instead, to terrorize or bully.

It should be obvious given how Israel cannot show how their use of force will "remove Hamas from power" what it is they are actually doing - and in my eyes that makes them just as bad, if not worse, than Hamas in some ways.

PoopStain: parental smackdown

Like how the American government taught the native Indian "children" back in the 1800s?

Why does this type of thinking still exist?

priestrape: We can agree that those who are angry with Israel can have a legitimate beef, but they go about dealing with it in the most abhorrent way possible, right?

Hamas inside Gaza is a charity organization. You can deny that, but they are the service providers of those hospitals, schools, and mosques.

*nobody* else provides those services.

Anyway, when the Soviets were bombing those same places in Afghanistan in the 1980s guess what the typical American response was?

WE MUST HELP THOSE FREEDOM FIGHTERS!

Nope. Israel is little more than another version of South Africa.


Nelson Mandela's African National Congress used to burn white farmers in tires.


I have no idea where you think where this honorable resistance might be or what it is -- but the Palestinians are using the infrastructure they have to fight against 60 years of Israeli aggression.

moriarty23: I agree, 100 farking percent, but I don't have a horse in the race aside from my humanity so I can also see that the Israeli state wants those citizens dead and gone just as much as Hamas wants to martyr them. To not admit that Israel is an aggressive, genocidal state is to let your priorities dictate your truth.

Again, I am absolutely not saying Israel is without blame. Not at all.

But there is no option for Israel in these fights. If they attack at all - whether it's massive or small - innocents are going to die. There is not way around that.

So what are they supposed to do? Just take the rockets that come their way and hope no one gets hurt, then not respond because there's no way to pinpoint just the militants?

Again, Hamas wants them to strike back. They want their own bloody children on the news. It's how they've chosen to fight this.

It's disgusting all around.

PoopStain: DarnoKonrad: I wonder how you'd react if your home was stolen and you were put on a reservation?

I sincerely doubt I would deliberately kill the children of my enemies while they were at the mall.

Why? Because I'm farking civilized.

You go on with your bad self. Back the savages who kill innocent people as a matter of strategy.

Go fark yourself.

Your hate makes you strong.

priestrape: They want their own bloody children on the news.

Another farking disgusting demonization on fark. Surprise surprise.

DarnoKonrad: Hamas inside Gaza is a charity organization. You can deny that, but they are the service providers of those hospitals, schools, and mosques.

who is lobbing the rockets into Israel?

DarnoKonrad: priestrape: They want their own bloody children on the news.

Another farking disgusting demonization on fark. Surprise surprise.

get down off your cross, keyboard warrior

priestrape: DarnoKonrad: priestrape: They want their own bloody children on the news.

Another farking disgusting demonization on fark. Surprise surprise.

get down off your cross, keyboard warrior

pig

TwistedFark: Palestine has become a punching bag for votes depending on Israeli public sentiment and the Israeli government isn't even trying to hide it any more.


Yup (new window)

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel's crushing aerial assault on Gaza has caused a significant shift in the country's mood, replacing lingering helplessness and frustration over Hamas rocket attacks with a sense of might and vindication.

Leaders who were unpopular only a week ago have suddenly surged in the public's esteem.

DarnoKonrad: pig

you still haven't answered the question:

"Who is lobbing rockets into Israel?"

I'm no fan of Palestine, and am honestly pissed that Israel is forcing me to side on behalf of religious zealots. That being said, I can't honestly blame Hamas for working out of schools and hospitals because Israel has annexed the rest of their country. Probably the only buildings left with working utilities that hasn't been bulldozed to make a gated settlement.

What no one seems to want to deal with is the 24 year old biology major with a crude laboratory and the necessary genetic material to make 9/11 look like a quiet morning at Starbucks.

One of these days, unless we find a way of defusing this powderkeg we are all going to get burned by the explosion.

Until then, let's play the blame game and pick our favorite side, when this is nothing more that two children who can't find a way to share the sandbox.

DarnoKonrad: priestrape: They want their own bloody children on the news.

Another farking disgusting demonization on fark. Surprise surprise.

It's not a demonization at all. Hamas is launching rockets at places children congregate, FROM places children congregate.

priestrape: DarnoKonrad: Hamas inside Gaza is a charity organization. You can deny that, but they are the service providers of those hospitals, schools, and mosques.

who is lobbing the rockets into Israel?

Why is it so hard for the average American to understand that there are several branches to Hamas and this is how they maintain their control over Palestine.

1.Para-Military.
2.Police.
3.Terrorist.
4.Political.
5.Relief/Social Services.

Violence and discord indirectly benefits Hamas as an entire organization because the individual branches can capitalize on it in order to appear as the "good guys" even if say, the Terrorist branch of Hamas was the group that caused the shiat-fark in the first place.

This is how they took over from Fatah - by offering social services and by not being corrupt. If an Israeli bomb drops on a mosque and kills a bunch of civilians, then Hamas is on the scene later handing out food, water, medicine and money. This is how they maintain their popularity and quite frankly, Israels actions give them plenty of opportunity to look like the "good guys" to the general public of Palestine.

Yay, more mindless killing because invisible friends said some plot of barren earth was their peoples sacred sand. Woot!!1!1

DarnoKonrad: Another farking disgusting demonization on fark. Surprise surprise.

A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council, takes pride in the fact that women and children are used as human shield in fighting Israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

PoopStain: Do we have a problem with native American uprisings in the US?


Subjugation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide are justifiable if the end result is beneficial to you, then?

Christ...

One of the more retarded aspects of the Hamastravaganza of fark threads the past week is the constant description of Hamas as shooting something akin to BB's.

Hamas hasn't been firing BB's--they have been firing weapons that are crude but specifically designed to be anti-personnel devices. The explosives they contain aren't intended to destroy buildings--instead, the explosive is intended to propel the real payload of the missiles when they strike. The real payload is pellets that are propelled up to a hundred feet by the explosive contained in the rocket.

So it isn't some kid shooting BB's into your window--it is someone firing shotgun blasts at your window.

Yeah, if someone fired 5,000 shotgun blasts at you a year, you would respond.

And subby's headline is ludicrous--Hamas was delighted by the truce France was offering. It didn't require Hamas to do anything, and would have given them a couple of days to reload. If Israel had accepted then Hamas would have had 48 hours to dig out, reload, and could have kept firing rockets.

TwistedFark: Violence and discord indirectly benefits Hamas as an entire organization because the individual branches can capitalize on it in order to appear as the "good guys" even if say, the Terrorist branch of Hamas was the group that caused the shiat-fark in the first place.

of course this is true. And, apparently, you are also a "pig" for making this shocking demonization-like comment

priestrape: DarnoKonrad: pig

you still haven't answered the question:

"Who is lobbing rockets into Israel?"

Hamas. Who the hell questions what they're doing? You asked for why they're in schools and shiat and I gave you a legitimate answer -- and you resorted to insults and demonization.

Israel is wrong. They're wrong with every refugee camp, they're wrong with every house the bulldoze, they're wrong with every wall they build, they're wrong with every check point, they're wrong with every single collective punishment strategy they've come up with.

YOU and THEY must face the fact that this is a state of segregation. And the idea that a state should exist for a minority alone at the cost of subjugating the majority is wrong.

moriarty23: I can't honestly blame Hamas for working out of schools and hospitals because Israel has annexed the rest of their country.

Are you actually trying to say that every single square foot of the gaza strip is either part of a school or a hospital? That's absolute bullshiat. There are other places to choose from, Hamas is just choosing not to use them.

What's more disgusting is that you think it's okay to use children as human shields to protect rocket attacks for any reason at all. You know how you avoid the civilian casualties altogether? Don't launch any rockets or mortars around them.

PoopStain: TwistedFark: This wont work.

You know what? I agree with you. That was an insanely well thought out post. It's not going to stop the fighting, but it was a pretty good analysis of the situation. Enjoy your gift.

I'm not an Israeli cheerleader, either. I just enjoy watching misbehaving children get spanked, which is what is happening to Hamas. The longer it keeps up the more delighted I am.

Honestly, I enjoy suffering. It keeps me sane.

Well thanks for the compliment and honestly, you kind of scare me.

/I think you'd be ok with that.

What the fark is disproportionate force?

should Israel fire back bm-21 style rockets?

should jews break their religous views and start doing suicide bombings?

The Arabs lost every conventional war they fought with Israel so their next tactic was to create and embolden the Palestinians. If Israel was smart they would let the Arab world know the game was up, stop attacking the middle man (the palis) and attack the funders. I want to see Arab sheiks learning this shiat won't work. Go back to when the Mossad and CIA had balls, when a nation uses terrorist orgs the nation still should pay the price. If one of these Arab sheiks has an illegitimate child in Europe, kill them. Keep a folder on all of them, they don't play ball publish it, lets see the Palestine terror keep going when the rest of the Arab world is getting the same crap from within their borders

priestrape: who is lobbing the rockets into Israel?

Every single Palestinian?

Is that really the argument you want to put forth?
Or, would you rather claim those people deserve it.
Because of a very few, people are dying.

And whichever asshole made the claim that "they" want to see their bloody children on the news has never had a child or is one, I'm a little too in a state of shock that any coherent human being could make as stupid a statement as that.

Jesus, do you make shiat up all the time so that your world will make sense to you?
Have you found fundamentalist religion yet?
Why make it up when the professional have centuries of experience?

DarnoKonrad: YOU and THEY must face the fact that this is a state of segregation. And the idea that a state should exist for a minority alone at the cost of subjugating the majority is wrong.

I don't know how many different ways I can say that Israel is absolutely a party to this disgusting conflict and needs to be part of the resolution other than escalating violence. There is no question about this.

But that doesn't change the fact that Hamas-the-charitable-organization and Hamas-the-terrorist-organization are completely intertwined.

And it also doesn't change the fact that Hamas clearly and repeatedly chooses to attack from positions that, when the retribution comes, will give them a maximum benefit from a pr perspective. "Look at how Israel destroyed this school." "Look at how Israel massacred these children"

Call it a horrible a demonization if you want, but it's the farking truth. I didn't make it the truth. Israel played a role in it. But Hamas made sure it happened. Anyone can see that.