Don't worry, he'll see to it.

He's looking as hard as he can for a qualified replacement.

Patterson says he doesn't see what the big hurry is.

tag broken?

Will it help if I demand that Hillary resign immediately?

That governor is taking a blind eye to this issue.


/got nuthin'

Subby nailed the description of the author tho

Outtaphase: img1.fark.net tag broken?

It has to be. Honest, the rest of the U.S., New Yorkers are not this stupid.

Should I care that Caroline is limboing? I mean seriously. Give me one good reason this is important to anyone other than Caroline? If she were running she'd limbo of wondering if she were going to win or not.


What if this is all an Obama psych? He nominates Hillary, she resigns the senate seat. Patterson picks somebody to fill the seat. Obama punks Hillary and pulls her nomination. Sending her off to wherever old hags like her go?

Clinton isn't going to resign until her appointment is confirmed. Until then she is the senator from New York.

Odds of her being confirmed? Pretty good. Somehow I don't think the senators of lower standing than her want to screw her that badly because then she would still be in the senate where she can hose them. They may twist her tail a little bit, but not enough to prevent the confirmation.

The "Waaaaaa, but we want to know NOW" crowd can wait until THERE IS A VACANCY TO BE FILLED. Because, you know - Clinton may still be the senator from New York a month from now.

As for Kennedy "twisting in the wind..."

The writer is apparently unaware that the governor can simply pick up the phone once he's decided and call Caroline.

"Sorry, sugar. We're going to go with someone else."
or
"Once Clinton is confirmed, you'll be the pick. If this goes public I'll pick someone else."

BizarreMan: What if this is all an Obama psych? He nominates Hillary, she resigns the senate seat. Patterson picks somebody to fill the seat. Obama punks Hillary and pulls her nomination. Sending her off to wherever old hags like her go?

Nah, he doesn't need to do that. He won. No need to be petty.

Elfich: Clinton isn't going to resign until her appointment is confirmed. Until then she is the senator from New York.

Also this, She may be many things, but she isn't dumb.

My pappy always said, "Son, why don't you demand in one hand and shiat in the other and see which one gets full the quickest."

Subby is quite correct by pointing out that "little detail," but there's a whole different level of dumbassery in this column.

The author never bothers to mention why leaving Caroline (or any other candidate) "twisting in the wind" is such a bad thing, except that it's uncomfortable for the candidate (as if 99.99% of all candidates don't have to go through a prolonged period of uncertainty). Waiting could alienate Barack Obama and Harry Reid? Why? Have either said that Gov. Patterson needs to act now? Has the author considered they are a little too professional to withhold federal funds to the state over a personal political issue?

And most importantly, how about if the author focuses on who's the best candidate overall, not who will be most expedient for allowing the state to suckle at the teat of Uncle Sam? That's how they do it in Alaska and West Virginia, but that's not how we do it in New York.

He says that waiting is uncomfortable for Caroline. Wow, that's just sooooo bad. I'm sure that if she gets the pick, that between the work involved and the re-election in two years, she won't have any stress. If limbo is this bad on her, then she will never be able to handle the job. I tend to think she is smarter, and stronger, than the author gives her credit for.

In a way, New York's Senate selection will be inherently more crooked than Illinois'. Blogo is a crook, but at least he was elected. Citizens of NY will have never cast a ballot for anyone involved in their selection process.

hellbilly: He says that waiting is uncomfortable for Caroline. Wow, that's just sooooo bad.


I am trying to find the world's smallest violin for her. I can think of a few billion people worse off than Caroline Kennedy.


Summoning Remove All Republicans for some good Kennedy sympathy.

Are we talking about Gov. Paterson, the blind guy? Who is this Gov. Patterson people keep talking about?

hellbilly: He says that waiting is uncomfortable for Caroline. Wow, that's just sooooo bad. I'm sure that if she gets the pick, that between the work involved and the re-election in two years, she won't have any stress. If limbo is this bad on her, then she will never be able to handle the job. I tend to think she is smarter, and stronger, than the author gives her credit for.

What the author seems to not to understand is that Caroline will be waiting for a really long time to get appointed. Like the rest of her natural life.

If Kennedy has to wait much longer she might just have to do what? Go shopping again... attend a fund raiser... cut a ribbon somewhere... what?

1derful: In a way, New York's Senate selection will be inherently more crooked than Illinois'. Blogo is a crook, but at least he was elected. Citizens of NY will have never cast a ballot for anyone involved in their selection process.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Selecting her now should put an end to the party infighting, at least publicly. It would also give her a little time to improve her dismal performance since her name surfaced without the pressure of an audition.

Does no one recognize satire any more?

deltabourne: That makes absolutely no sense.

Regrettably, it does make some sense - Patterson was appointed when the last governor politically torched himself. As a result, an appointed governor will be appointing a senator.

I suppose you could argue that people voted for Paterson as part of the Spitzer ticket, but the second person on a ticket is usually an afterthought. Not living in New York, or following the NY Governor's race, I don't know whether or not that's true in this case.

bravian:
What the author seems to not to understand is that Caroline will be waiting for a really long time to get appointed. Like the rest of her natural life.

I certainly hope you're right, at least about the "appointed" part. I wouldn't begrudge her the opportunity to make her case to the public and get elected the normal way.

Normally, I don't particularly care for those "dynasty" arguments -- if a Clinton or a Bush or a Kennedy happens to be the best candidate and can persuade the voting public of this, that's fine by me. But I draw the line at perpetuating dynasties by appointment, particularly in this case.

1derful: In a way, New York's Senate selection will be inherently more crooked than Illinois'. Blogo is a crook, but at least he was elected. Citizens of NY will have never cast a ballot for anyone involved in their selection process.

Patterson was elected at Lt. Gov.

Even so, Gov. Paterson should see...

Elvis_Bogart: Don't worry, he'll see to it.

Dammit.

He doesn't need to wait until she resigns to SELECT someone subby

Definitely get that entitled babbling 'tard out of the picture and back in the attic where the Kennedy's have been keeping her for obvious reasons.

Fark it, I'm a New York citizen. Appoint me, governor. I promise to stay out of Schumer's way, especially if I'm between him and a TV camera.

1derful: In a way, New York's Senate selection will be inherently more crooked than Illinois'.

It's going to be hard to live up to New York's stunning legacy of corruption and incompetence, but I'll do my best.

First thing we do is pull that Citi name off the Mets' new ballfield. No way bailout money should be going to pay for naming rights, so I move that it be named Fark Park.

Patterson's too busy ordering circus tickets to appoint a new senator anyway.

Remove all Republicans: Phil Herup: Summoning Remove All Republicans for some good Kennedy sympathy.

You know, I believe it's against the TOS to call people out like that.

larrycot: The writer is apparently unaware that the governor can simply pick up the phone once he's decided and call Caroline.

That's depends. Carolina is a Kennedy. She's a busy woman. Keeping her in the wind might keep her from her busy work. She needs to plan on who is going to take over her charitable work if she's not there.

Super Chronic: I wouldn't begrudge her the opportunity to make her case to the public and get elected the normal way.

She's making her case right now. The public is clamoring for Patterson to elect her. With Teddy possibly leaving, the Democrats need a Kennedy in the Senate. Until we know that Massachusetts is going to pick another one, we should take a conservative position and pick her. At least one Kennedy and if we luck out, two.

Stop making new names, and just accept your ignores. Gah.

Anyone notice the li'l photo gallery thing to the right of this article?

Who'll fill Hil's seat?
Actress Fran Drescher, Caroline Kennedy and Andrew Cuomo are among the names floating around.

Seriously, these are the options?

Two dynastic dipshiats and a women whose voice can paralyze a bear at fifty paces and within ten feet make kittens heads explode?

So. Do. Not. Want.

quatchi: Anyone notice the li'l photo gallery thing to the right of this article?

Who'll fill Hil's seat?
Actress Fran Drescher, Caroline Kennedy and Andrew Cuomo are among the names floating around.

Seriously, these are the options?

Two dynastic dipshiats and a women whose voice can paralyze a bear at fifty paces and within ten feet make kittens heads explode?

So. Do. Not. Want.

Many years ago in college I knew a girl who talked just like Fran Drescher. Until she got drunk. Then she talked like a normal person.

Remove all Republicans: Super Chronic: I wouldn't begrudge her the opportunity to make her case to the public and get elected the normal way.

She's making her case right now. The public is clamoring for Patterson to elect her. With Teddy possibly leaving, the Democrats need a Kennedy in the Senate. Until we know that Massachusetts is going to pick another one, we should take a conservative position and pick her. At least one Kennedy and if we luck out, two.

Who's clamoring? I'm part of the public and I'm not clamoring for anything. There are a number of vocal people arguing in favor of her candidacy; others say, at most, that we should all lay off when criticizing her evasive answers to policy questions. If the public wants her, let it be proven in the next open election.

Super Chronic: Remove all Republicans: Super Chronic: I wouldn't begrudge her the opportunity to make her case to the public and get elected the normal way.

She's making her case right now. The public is clamoring for Patterson to elect her. With Teddy possibly leaving, the Democrats need a Kennedy in the Senate. Until we know that Massachusetts is going to pick another one, we should take a conservative position and pick her. At least one Kennedy and if we luck out, two.

Who's clamoring? I'm part of the public and I'm not clamoring for anything. There are a number of vocal people arguing in favor of her candidacy; others say, at most, that we should all lay off when criticizing her evasive answers to policy questions. If the public wants her, let it be proven in the next open election.

Meanwhile, who do you recommend that the Governor appoint?

Its plainly unjust that he leave her "in limbo" like this! After all she has major responsibilities and time consumming duties like....ummm, you know, ummmmm, you now

Heh. That author sure has a crush on her.

Elmo Jones:

Meanwhile, who do you recommend that the Governor appoint?

I would suggest Kirsten Gillibrand or Brian Higgins. Mind you, I'm not a registered Democrat -- in fact I'm frequently labeled a Fark Independent around these parts, and you all know what that means. I understand that the field consists entirely of Democrats, and the governor is probably going to appoint a "traditional" one; it's probably unrealistic of me to expect a Blue Dog like Rep. Gillibrand or a self-avowed New Democrat like Rep. Higgins, but there you go. A more plausible candidate would be Carolyn Maloney, and although I'm not really a fan, I can't say she lacks credentials. Most important is avoiding the appearance of privilege, where Caroline Kennedy enters through the back door at the very highest level. (Is that a bad mixed metaphor? Sorry.) Let her run for office like most other candidates, that's all I ask.

On that subject, I have mixed feelings about Andrew Cuomo. Yes, he is from a political family, but it's not as prominent a family as the Kennedys, and he has ample experience for the position. On the other hand, everybody knows he's a douchebag (though he's toned down the douchiness in recent years). Lots of ambivalence there.

Super Chronic: Elmo Jones:

Meanwhile, who do you recommend that the Governor appoint?

I would suggest Kirsten Gillibrand or Brian Higgins. Mind you, I'm not a registered Democrat -- in fact I'm frequently labeled a Fark Independent around these parts, and you all know what that means. I understand that the field consists entirely of Democrats, and the governor is probably going to appoint a "traditional" one; it's probably unrealistic of me to expect a Blue Dog like Rep. Gillibrand or a self-avowed New Democrat like Rep. Higgins, but there you go. A more plausible candidate would be Carolyn Maloney, and although I'm not really a fan, I can't say she lacks credentials. Most important is avoiding the appearance of privilege, where Caroline Kennedy enters through the back door at the very highest level. (Is that a bad mixed metaphor? Sorry.) Let her run for office like most other candidates, that's all I ask.

On that subject, I have mixed feelings about Andrew Cuomo. Yes, he is from a political family, but it's not as prominent a family as the Kennedys, and he has ample experience for the position. On the other hand, everybody knows he's a douchebag (though he's toned down the douchiness in recent years). Lots of ambivalence there.

That's what I'd call a reasoned response. I understand where you'd like someone a little closer to your ideology. Caroline doesn't deserve all the flack she's getting, though. The "she won't run if she's not selected" thread is a prime example. I'd like to hear more of her policy plans, before writing her off.
Of course, I don't live in NY, so, I might as well prefer myself for the office.

"A more plausible candidate would be Carolyn Maloney, and although I'm not really a fan, I can't say she lacks credentials. Most important is avoiding the appearance of privilege, where Caroline Kennedy enters through the back door at the very highest level."

I confess I haven't been following this as close as I should be. What happened to Nita Lowey? I understand she said she didn't want the gig, but why did she say that? She was the front-runner for the nomination before Clinton decided on New York and had to have picked up major chits when she stepped aside. I don't understand why this thing isn't hers in a walk. Someone got the scoop for me?

Death By Monkey: Are we talking about Gov. Paterson, the blind guy? Who is this Gov. Patterson people keep talking about?

Serves him right for spelling his own damn name wrong

Did the Kennedy check clear?

The governor has the foresight and an eye for these kinds of decisions. He just may blindside us all with a candidate that is truly out of sight!

GaryPDX: My pappy always said, "Son, why don't you demand in one hand and shiat in the other and see which one gets full the quickest."

No he didn't.

How would this be any different in a primary season? Paterson has his choice picked by now, and he wouldn't say anything until the times come to. The only people bugging him are the media and those that no shot at being appointed.