Well played!


/+1

Hey O!

All the stolen undies must be why them there A-rabs have so much sand in their vaginas.

My first "for reals" LOL for the day. Should be considered for HOTY (if not 2008, then 2009).

Subby, Jew funny bastard!

Meh. I used to be in favor of Isreal after 9-11 for quite a while. However, this whole thing is just too tiring to care about anymore. It would be easier for the world if they just blew each other to hell and gone.

pretty sure the third stage is 'Prophet'

What does Obama have to do with this? He isn't even the president yet.

/Messiah?
//Saviour?
///Pick your flavor.

Late HOY contender?

Now for the money shot.

He shall know they ways as if born to them.

I can't wait for Jesus to return to settle this once and for all.

Good work, Subby!

Wrong word, stupid Subby.

The homophone you are looking for is profi-...

Oohhhhh. I get it.

Further pressed, the PM stated that if the strikes do not accomplish their goal of total surrender, Israel will be forced to send ground forces partway into Gaza border, playing another game of "just the tip".

// get Egypt involved, as they also order Gaza
// what do you mean "No"?

also border Gaza

What's with armies attacking poor and desolate people. We have the U.S. killing dirt poor illiterates in afghanistan and Israel doing a genocidal shakedown on the Gaza Penal colony. What ever happend to using an amry to gain natural resources? What the hell?

HOTY.

/or at least for the month

Standing armies are mobile war crimes.

Death to America: What's with armies attacking poor and desolate people. We have the U.S. killing dirt poor illiterates in afghanistan and Israel doing a genocidal shakedown on the Gaza Penal colony. What ever happend to using an amry to gain natural resources? What the hell?

And dudes used to dig chicks with heavy bush. Times change, man.

Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance a year from the US; about one-fifth of our foreign aid budget.

Other recipients get their money in quarterly installments, but Israel receives its entire appropriation at the beginning of each fiscal year and can thus earn interest on it.

According to the General Accounting Office, Israel also 'conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any ally'.

for every Israeli lost, Israel has killed 3.4 Palestinians, the majority of whom have been innocent bystanders; the ratio of Palestinian to Israeli children killed is even higher (5.7:1).

Mearsheimer, John. "The Israel Lobby." London Review of Books. 23 Mar. 2006. London Review of Books. 30 Dec. 2008 .

LOL, subby.

/and BTW, the second stage is where the Jews come to Jesus or die

brainiac-dumdum

Whatever. Next you'll be telling us that they control the banks and Hollywood too!

brainiac-dumdum: According to the General Accounting Office, Israel also 'conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any ally'.

And they are cocky with it too which pisses me off and emboldens me at the same time. I wish they would try something with me.

Awesome headline Subby!!!

http://www.jnewswire.com/article/2299

In the presence of a small crowd, Jerusalem's City Council Monday changed the name of a square near the official prime minister's residence from Paris Square to Freedom for Jonathan Pollard Square.

The change was timed to take place just before US President George W. Bush arrives on his first official visit to Israel starting Wednesday.

Jonathan Pollard is an American Jew (with dual citizenship as an Israeli) who has been in prison for the last 22 years for spying for Israel against the US.

With friends like these....

Um, this is my favorite headline... ever

jakomo002: With friends like these....

OMFG ANTI-SEMITE!!11!!!11!!1

Fat and Nasty 86: Um, this is my favorite headline... ever

To late to get it entered into the Headline of the Year contest, early favorite for next year?

vernonFL: brainiac-dumdum

Whatever. Next you'll be telling us that they control the banks and Hollywood too!

A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't. (new window)

LA Times article by Joel STEIN

FTA: The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you'd be flipping between "The 700 Club" and "Davey and Goliath" on TV all day.

Fat and Nasty 86: Um, this is my favorite headline... ever

I agree.

Out the subby so we may grant unto him/her the proper adulation.

rodeofrog: And dudes used to dig chicks with heavy bush. Times change, man.

So, am I retro, or just old?

Here is how this will play out:

The Israelis will once more be immoderate with the blood letting and destruction. It will go on too long and finally the governments around the world will look to the US to stop the hideous spectacle.

The savior elect will say "No Comment", Congress will say "No Comment" and Bush will have to ultimately make "the call" asking the Jews to cool it a little while making public assertions about the "special friendship" between our two peoples.

When the israelis run out of bullets and missiles, then they will stop.

They will place an order for more of ammo with the US Congress.

jakomo002: Jonathan Pollard

Whatever. Everyone's favorite Israeli punching bag (even though he's technically an American from Galveston, TX), Pollard is only a touchstone because his sentence is the highest received for anyone convicted by the US of spying on an ally during peacetime (source). That seems like a fun way to dissemble, but, since Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, no one convicted of spying (for anyone) has received even life other than Pollard.

Love him or hate him, Pollard is a small fish on the world stage - any damage he did to the US' espionage capabilities has been written over by advances in technology, and the changes in political and technological climate (e.g. 1970's Syria, once a military and technological powerhouse, is now...not).

No one outside of lobbyists cares about Pollard. Fun facts: he's got some personality issues - he divorced his first wife after she got out of prison, and married a much younger woman who had been working to gain his release.

// not a fan of Pollard's, but he's been gamed
// median sentence for someone convicted (as Pollard was) of 1 (one) count of "passing non-injurious classified information to an ally" - is two to four years; Pollard's been in the joint since 1987
// just sayin'

Greenwalds throwing it down (via Yoweigh)

George Washington's warnings and U.S. policy towards Israel

Glenn Greenwald: In a democracy, one could expect that politicians would be afraid to express a view that 70% of the citizens oppose. Yet here we have the exact opposite situation: no mainstream politician would dare express the view that 70% of Americans support; instead, the universal piety is the one that only a small minority accept. Isn't that fairly compelling evidence of the complete disconnect between our political elites and the people they purportedly represent?

Yeah but Pollard PLEADED to the one count he was convicted of, and that definitely figures into it. He also went to the media when he wasn't supposed to as part of the plea deal, etc. He tried to sell things to countries other than just Israel, etc.

There are lots of people who think that he should have applied for parole, and so have no sympathy now. Wherever the petitions to free him get circulated around the net, the arguments come up. I'm actually rather surprised that he got a square named after him!

I agree, not so many people really caring about him one way or the other. And he definitely has personality issues.

Thread on Pollard without Hersch 1999 The case against Jonathan Pollard. isn't a complete thread

itazurakko: Yeah but Pollard PLEADED to the one count he was convicted of, and that definitely figures into it. He also went to the media when he wasn't supposed to as part of the plea deal, etc. He tried to sell things to countries other than just Israel, etc.

There are lots of people who think that he should have applied for parole, and so have no sympathy now. Wherever the petitions to free him get circulated around the net, the arguments come up.

Pollard claimed he did some spying for South Africa and Pakistan, but was never charged, indicted or found guilty of anything other than that one count. The prosecutor requested only that Pollard serve "a substantial number of years" (the language of the plea deal), but Fmr Sec'y of Defense Caspar Weinberger, on the day before sentencing, delivered a classified 4-page document to the court.

No one outside of Pollard and his attorneys (at the time only, no subsequent lawyer has had access), Secretaries of Defense and other highly-cleared people have ever read the memo, but it is assumed that these 4 pages tipped the scales for a life sentence, as the Judge agreed with Weinberger, and every high-up since has agreed with the life sentence. So much for Jews looking after their own, eh?

Off topic, sort of:

Why are the attacks on Israel always referred to as "rocket attacks" and never "missile attacks"? Does hammas not have warheads on their rockets?

MugzyBrown: Off topic, sort of:

Why are the attacks on Israel always referred to as "rocket attacks" and never "missile attacks"? Does hammas not have warheads on their rockets?

Accuracy?

MugzyBrown: Off topic, sort of:

Why are the attacks on Israel always referred to as "rocket attacks" and never "missile attacks"? Does hammas not have warheads on their rockets?

As far as I understand it, in military terms rockets are unguided while missiles are guided.

The rockets fired from Gaza (Kassams, anyway, particularly the crude homemade ones) do have explosive payloads (bombs with lots of shrapnel, if nothing else) but aren't guided, neither do they have much in the way of accurate aim.

I.e., they are much less quality. Most of the usage of the term seems to be emphasizing the crudeness of them.

So they're sort of the worst case of crappy - odds of hitting any particular thing you aimed at are low, but they can do plenty of damage to whatever it is they do hit. Not exactly your precision warfare weapon. If you're just indiscriminately lobbing and hoping to inflict damage, they're good enough.

But, dunno for certain.

from yet thought I would get it out of the way
Link (new window)
1) "Israel's response in Gaza is disproportionate"


Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq's invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia's recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.


Would a British citizen complain that "too few" British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.


And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps - yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.


2) "But Qassams don't kill"


Actually, Qassams do kill. Not too often, perhaps, but dozens of Israelis were killed and wounded by rocket fire in recent years. Moreover, at this time the Palestinians are firing long-range Grad rockets with even greater explosive power. Such rockets killed 2 Israelis Monday.


Yet beyond the casualty figures, the psychological damage caused as result of living under an ongoing rocket threat is immeasurable. Would anyone in the West agree to have their family live under constant rocket attacks and be regularly woken up by sirens in the middle of the night? Would anyone living under such conditions appreciate being told that "these rockets don't kill?" Probably not.


3) "It's all because of Israel's siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza."


Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the "siege". Palestinians have been able to complement these deliveries with supplies smuggled through hundreds of tunnels (of course, they would likely be able to bring in even more food had they not used the tunnels to smuggle in missiles.).


The day before operation "Cast Lead" got underway, Israel allowed dozens of trucks carrying aid to enter the Strip. On Tuesday, another 100 trucks - double the normal number -are expected to enter Gaza after Defense Minister Barak approved the move.

In short, Israel is allowing aid into the Strip (but guess who has kept Gaza crossings mostly closed thus far? That's right, Egypt.)


4) "Why didn't Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?"


First, what truce? Terror groups continued to fire rockets throughout the lull, even if somewhat infrequently, and even if the world didn't seem to care too much. Nonetheless, Israel clearly declared that it is interested in extending the truce. Our top officials made it clear time and again.


Yet Hamas leaders clearly declared that the truce has ended on December 19th, and proceeded to bombard southern Israeli communities with dozens of rockets daily. In short, it is no wonder that even the Egyptians are blaming Hamas this time.


5) "But Hamas was elected democratically - why can't Israel accept it?"


Although Hamas won the Palestinian elections, it took Gaza by force, in the process hurling rival Fatah members down to their death from high-rises and shooting others in the knees with the declared aim of maiming them. Some democracy.


In any case, Israel in fact "recognizes," de facto, Hamas' rule in Gaza, which is precisely why it is justified in attacking the Hamas-ruled Strip, recognizing that it is indeed being governed by a terror entity. Israel did not launch the operation because Hamas is in power there - rather, it did so because Hamas is a terrorist organization that has deliberately targeted civilians with thousands of rockets over the past 8 years.


6) "Israel is targeting civilians"


You mean to say that "one of the most powerful armies in the world" has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the "most crowded place on earth?"


There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.


Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State.

zedster: from yet thought I would get it out of the way
Link (new window)
1) "Israel's response in Gaza is disproportionate"


Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq's invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia's recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.


Would a British citizen complain that "too few" British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.


And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps - yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.


2) "But Qassams don't kill"


Actually, Qassams do kill. Not too often, perhaps, but dozens of Israelis were killed and wounded by rocket fire in recent years. Moreover, at this time the Palestinians are firing long-range Grad rockets with even greater explosive power. Such rockets killed 2 Israelis Monday.


Yet beyond the casualty figures, the psychological damage caused as result of living under an ongoing rocket threat is immeasurable. Would anyone in the West agree to have their family live under constant rocket attacks and be regularly woken up by sirens in the middle of the night? Would anyone living under such conditions appreciate being told that "these rockets don't kill?" Probably not.


3) "It's all because of Israel's siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza."


Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the "siege". Palestinians have been able to complement these deliveries with supplies smuggled through hundreds of tunnels (of course, they would likely be able to bring in even more food had they not used the tunnels to smuggle in missiles.).


The day before operation "Cast Lead" got underway, Israel allowed dozens of trucks carrying aid to enter the Strip. On Tuesday, another 100 trucks - double the normal number -are expected to enter Gaza after Defense Minister Barak approved the move.

In short, Israel is allowing aid into the Strip (but guess who has kept Gaza crossings mostly closed thus far? That's right, Egypt.)


4) "Why didn't Israel just agree to renew the Gaza truce?"


First, what truce? Terror groups continued to fire rockets throughout the lull, even if somewhat infrequently, and even if the world didn't seem to care too much. Nonetheless, Israel clearly declared that it is interested in extending the truce. Our top officials made it clear time and again.


Yet Hamas leaders clearly declared that the truce has ended on December 19th, and proceeded to bombard southern Israeli communities with dozens of rockets daily. In short, it is no wonder that even the Egyptians are blaming Hamas this time.


5) "But Hamas was elected democratically - why can't Israel accept it?"


Although Hamas won the Palestinian elections, it took Gaza by force, in the process hurling rival Fatah members down to their death from high-rises and shooting others in the knees with the declared aim of maiming them. Some democracy.


In any case, Israel in fact "recognizes," de facto, Hamas' rule in Gaza, which is precisely why it is justified in attacking the Hamas-ruled Strip, recognizing that it is indeed being governed by a terror entity. Israel did not launch the operation because Hamas is in power there - rather, it did so because Hamas is a terrorist organization that has deliberately targeted civilians with thousands of rockets over the past 8 years.


6) "Israel is targeting civilians"


You mean to say that "one of the most powerful armies in the world" has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the "most crowded place on earth?"

...

STOP MAKING SENSE!


/Well stated. (and seemingly well informed) I would love to find out the real names of some of the folks who post here.

Myself??? I just try to comprehend a terribly complex world with a limited world view. I wish I was more informed. I would like everyone to sit down and have a meal together. Maybe invite the family, let the kids play outside and maybe let the grandparents talk some sense into the young hotheads (telling them what it is really like to actually fight a war) and how much it sucks to do so. Sitting in a building or hut or truck, never knowing what will happen in a minute from now or a few days. The fear that you might actually have to fire a weapon at a real person....

This is not video games my young friends. Pull the trigger and you will experience the consequences, maybe not now.... but you will.

I am 54 and still have bad memories.

I was not a good person in my past.


I have no regrets.

There are times like this I miss Tatsuma.

The Black Guy from Platoon: There are times like this I miss Tatsuma.

He's traveling. I can say no more.

The Israeli/Palistinian conflict is not my forte. My hobby is Jewish/Genile conflict.
But let me answer.


zedster: 1) "Israel's response in Gaza is disproportionate"


Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq's invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia's recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.


"The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel(metaphorically), and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 234

That is one way to see the Holocaust. Your way. Total war. Race against race.
There are many Israelis that call for a total extermination of the Palistinians. No Israelis can imagine the two peoples living side by side. Hitler didn't want to live side by side with Jews anymore.
So can we please de-mythologize The Holocaust?


2) "But Qassams don't kill"

This conflict did not start with the Qassams. They are just one of the many symptoms of the Israeli/palistinian conflict.


3) "It's all because of Israel's siege. Israel should allow aid into Gaza."

Israel has allowed goods into Gaza regularly throughout the "siege".

Again we are talking recent history as if all the problems arose yesterday. As a matter of fact you can apply this to all the other points you made. There will not be any peace until there is a final settlement.

I wouldn't want to deal with the palistinians either. But many of us instinctively cheer them on. One small people standing up to the Jews. "If they can hold out....?"

ritalinchild 54: /Well stated.

Hog shiat. That called a big fat sack of strawman.

2nd step, Subby, is to let USA fight the war while Israel sits back and biatches and whines like a farking pussy she is.

3rd step, profit.