Well, a lot of people will. Those who get paid to will most assuredly pop up plenty of stories for the Rah Rah Boyz to natter on about and quote.

That's the point of having captive journalists and editors. To manufacture consent and give the illusion of wide support...

OK, I'll give the Texas oil money bastard one thing that he did right during his time in office. The Do-Not-Call list. It really did help cutting down on the bullshiat calls that I used to get.

That's the only thing that I can think of that he did right during his 8 years in office. Every thing else should be looked at by lawyers and prosecuted if required. These guys didn't even try to hide the fact that they were crooks looking out their buddies on Wall Street or in the Defense industry.

IMHO, the guys who write the history books will not treat this guy well.

In 20 years, people will thank Bush for 'liberating' Iraq, even if he farked up the execution terribly at first. Same thing goes for his attempts to recover the economy as it began to faulter following the Clinton-era deregulation schemes put forth by his own party. These things have a habit of losing the immediacy of the moment over time. History will rank him low, but he's not Bush-Hitler as many BDS sufferers would have you believe.

DAR: OK, I'll give the Texas oil money bastard one thing that he did right during his time in office. The Do-Not-Call list. It really did help cutting down on the bullshiat calls that I used to get.

That's the only thing that I can think of that he did right during his 8 years in office. Every thing else should be looked at by lawyers and prosecuted if required. These guys didn't even try to hide the fact that they were crooks looking out their buddies on Wall Street or in the Defense industry.

IMHO, the guys who write the history books will not treat this guy well.

Considering the circumstances surrounding it, I think we'd have gotten Do Not Call no matter who was in office. It's something harmless that even the densest idiot could have avoided screwing up.

Cold day
Hell
ETC.
ETC.

We can all take as much pride in his work as Bush has.

What did he say was his best experience as leader of the Free World (tm)? Catching a 7-pound perch? I think we all can agree he's probably right.

I hope Obama finds a way to fire her from the long term government job that she was just given by the outgoing sorry arse excuse for a leader. I don't see a reason for taxpayers to keep feeding her bank accounts.

Shaggy_C: In 20 years, people will thank Bush for 'liberating' Iraq

It's really easy for you Bush fans to say shiat like that, isn't it? It requires no evidence, is unprovable (for 20 years) and effectively ends the argument.

roadkillontheweb: I hope Obama finds a way to fire her from the long term government job that she was just given by the outgoing sorry arse excuse for a leader. I don't see a reason for taxpayers to keep feeding her bank accounts.

FTA:

"Rice said when the new administration takes over, she plans to return to the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and write two books -- one on foreign policy and one about her parents."

Condi isn't going to a "cushy government job" she's going back to academia and consulting, and probably going to eventually do more work for Exxon and others.

Thank you for the dead, and the dying.

Thank you for the endless screams of people that most 1st World people don't know/care about.

Thank you for accepting a job you knew you were unqualified for.

Thank you for getting full briefings on which countries were responsible for 9/11, and then bombing/taking over countries that had nothing to do with it, while remaining friends with those that did.

Thank you for removing the rights of your countrymen.

Thank you for making the world even worse than 9/11 left it.

Thank you for putting fear into the hearts of those who do not read anything more than the New York Post, and thus causing grief to all those with an IQ higher than their shoe size.

Thank you for making a mockery even more (if that were possible) of the highest office in the land.

Thank you for not taking care of the North Korea situation.

Thank you for the new Great Depression.

Thank you for Dick Cheney. Really. Thank you, he's such a wonderful man.

Thank you for demolishing the standing of the United States in the world.

Thank you for using the most moral flexibility when it comes to "which dictator is bad".

Thank you for ignoring genocide around the world, whilst perusing your own agenda's.

Thank you for making the 1st World less safe, while convincing the average person that you've done the opposite.

Thank you for ignoring problems that our children will face, and at the same time bowing down before special interests that you and your friends have financial interests in.

Thank you for not allowing hundreds of years of history influence any military decision you've made.

Thank you for all the American (and allied) soldiers that have died for a pet cause.

Thank you for undoing so much good.

Thank you, and may the God you think guides you have mercy on your soul.

Thank you for creating a new generation of terrorists - one that a far more compentent government will have to deal with as your godamn legacy, you piece of human fecal matter.

Mugato: It's really easy for you Bush fans to say shiat like that, isn't it? It requires no evidence, is unprovable (for 20 years) and effectively ends the argument.



Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

In 1997, Saddam was ethnically cleansing the area, forcing families from their homes and into the desert in Anbar Province.

Call it what you like, but it's a move in the right direction if you ask me. The 'how' is debatable, the 'what' not so much. And please don't call me a 'Bush fan'.

Shaggy_C

All of the images this war has produced, all of the ills the man has caused - is that really the image anyone will recall when thinking of Bush?

Shaggy_C: In 20 years, people will thank Bush for 'liberating' Iraq

If you think Al Sadr's militia isn't the future Hamas of Iraq, you're a fool. There are only two long term results from the United States leaving Iraq. An populist election leading to radical clerics obtaining a majority of the power OR a military coup going back to a secular dictatorship.

It's NOT going to be all roses and flower. Democracy, in and of itself, is not enough to a lasting affect on the people of the middle east. Everyone should already know this by the experience of Palestine.

In 20 years, Iraq will be our friend in the same way that the Saudi's are.

Hey sore losers, he won two elections. And Bush got the fall out from Clinton (9/11, the mortgage disaster and resulting domino effect). But Bush has handled it all exceptionally well, especially considering there was a massive scape goating of everything he did and said the entire time. Obama says stupid things, like there are 57 states, so why don't you hear about that over and over and over?

Bush kept us safe since 9/11 and made huge strides towards peace in the middle east. He always said it would not be easy and that the war on terror was an unknown that would be difficult. Mistakes were inevitable. Still, all in all, a huge success so far.

Let's just hope Obama can keep us safe, too. And LEAVE BUSH ALONE!!!!

Today, Chemical Ali is on trial again in Iraq. I wonder what Chemical Ali would be doing today if not for President Bush.

Shaggy_C: Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

And?

I suspect there's at least one swimming pool we destroyed during "shock and awe". If a hole lined with concrete and filled with water is the best one can drum up for Bush's legacy, that's not saying much...

Yes, some positive stuff has been done in Iraq. That won't be Bush's legacy, and even the Iraqis don't seem to think it was worth it.

Shaggy_C: Mugato: It's really easy for you Bush fans to say shiat like that, isn't it? It requires no evidence, is unprovable (for 20 years) and effectively ends the argument.



Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

In 1997, Saddam was ethnically cleansing the area, forcing families from their homes and into the desert in Anbar Province.

Call it what you like, but it's a move in the right direction if you ask me. The 'how' is debatable, the 'what' not so much. And please don't call me a 'Bush fan'.

We spilt American blood to build swimming pools? You are a traitor to your country.

Don't give me this "human rights" bullshiat. We're not Globocop. If it was about human rights, we'd be fighting in Darfur, or North Korea, or Cuba, or any of the other numerous hotspots around the globe where human rights are routinely abused.

We went to war in Iraq because Bush told us there were WMDs there. There weren't. Bush lied, people died.

paulseta:

You deserve a hug and a blue ribbon

Shaggy_C: Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

You're right, what's a few hundred thousand dead civilians and a blown up infrastructure? They have a pool.

Shaggy_C
You know, dickhead, that I know a fair few people involved in the reconstruction of Iraq. You know, from blowing it to hell and letting lose the large number of competing factions.

And... (also I know you're a long time troll here... but for once I'll bite), that the hu-- actually, I can't do this. Life's too short. Go over there, Mr Armchair Heroics, and have a look at the areas you're not supposed to go to. Have a look, and then with honesty, say what you've really found out.

It's hell.

I don't imagine you have children, because I can't imagine someone of your callousness going through that and still pushing the lies on what happened, and is still happening.

It's is startling and sickening. A picture of kids in a pool is fine, and I know the troops on the ground are doing good things, but the fact is that the whole godamned thing shouldn't have happened in the first place. Especially for the reasons used by your lame duck.

Words don't do justice to the anger I feel against your sort. Especially since I actually know what I'm talking about, where you're a smear on the toilet seat of life.

I don't know how you sleep - maybe ignorance is bliss after all.

Shaggy_C: Mugato: It's really easy for you Bush fans to say shiat like that, isn't it? It requires no evidence, is unprovable (for 20 years) and effectively ends the argument.



Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

In 1997, Saddam was ethnically cleansing the area, forcing families from their homes and into the desert in Anbar Province.

Call it what you like, but it's a move in the right direction if you ask me. The 'how' is debatable, the 'what' not so much. And please don't call me a 'Bush fan'.

Swimming pools, or 151,000 civilians dead.

TOUGH CHOICE.

modestlivinglegend: Hey sore losers, he won two elections.

Are you sure you're not now the sore loser?

Thanks Dick*.

/Cheney that is
//our REAL president over the past 8 years
///duh

modestlivinglegend: Bush kept us safe since 9/11

That statement always makes me want to punch a kitten in the throat.

sckonkh: paulseta:

You deserve a hug and a blue ribbon

Have you seen Bruce Campbell lately?

Stesal: All of the images this war has produced, all of the ills the man has caused - is that really the image anyone will recall when thinking of Bush?

20 years from now? Yes, probably. The hemming and hawing from the left about what a 'mistake' the war was and how we were losing will seem awfully trite in the long term, especially when the 'liberal' president we just elected continues to keep upward of 50,000 troops in the country (about 1/3 of our current occupation force). The elite consensus in this country is that the invasion was necessary, and history is not written by the normal people. History books will eventually cut Iraq down to a single chapter in history books, with the following points with a few paragraphs highlighting each:

1) The Case for War
2) The Invasion and Decimation of Saddam's Army
3) Iraqi National Elections
4) The Occupation
5) Free and Liberated Iraq

Do you think kids 20 years from now will give two shiats about points one through four? Not a chance. The same with Vietnam today...

1) The Cold War
2) The buildup in Southeast Asia
3) The Draft and the Culture war on the homefront
4) America's Withdrawal
5) Communist Raping and Pillaging

Ask a kid today about the Gulf of Tonkin or who first put troops in Vietnam, and they'll have no clue. All they'll talk about is Hippies and Communists. Possibly being one and the same, if it's a conservative you're talking to.

Renowned transvestite sexologist: It's NOT going to be all roses and flower. Democracy, in and of itself, is not enough to a lasting affect on the people of the middle east. Everyone should already know this by the experience of Palestine.

That's a terrible example. Palestinians are victims to a violent and oppressive zionist regime, not a peaceful democracy.

Hey subby?

How long are you gonna biatch about Bush after he's gone?

Until the NEXT election? Or will it be the election after that?

I bet you're blaming Bush for Obama lying about his staff NOT
being in contact with Gov. Blagovich when clearly Rahm had talked to Blago, approximately 21 times from what the Sun Times said.

Shaggy_C: Mugato: It's really easy for you Bush fans to say shiat like that, isn't it? It requires no evidence, is unprovable (for 20 years) and effectively ends the argument.



Here's a picture of Iraqis swimming in Mosul, in a pool built by American troops.

In 1997, Saddam was ethnically cleansing the area, forcing families from their homes and into the desert in Anbar Province.

Call it what you like, but it's a move in the right direction if you ask me. The 'how' is debatable, the 'what' not so much. And please don't call me a 'Bush fan'.

If it was the right way to go, why isn't it the right way to go in Africa? (The continent, not the country.)

captain_heroic44: Don't give me this "human rights" bullshiat. We're not Globocop.

Funny, liberals where arguing the exact opposite in 2000 when Mr. World Police Clinton was trying to pass the torch of bombing innocents to Al Gore.

Shaggy_C: captain_heroic44: Don't give me this "human rights" bullshiat. We're not Globocop.

Funny, liberals where arguing the exact opposite in 2000 when Mr. World Police Clinton was trying to pass the torch of bombing innocents to Al Gore.

Spoken like a true moron.

paulseta: Words don't do justice to the anger I feel against your sort. Especially since I actually know what I'm talking about, where you're a smear on the toilet seat of life.

I don't know how you sleep - maybe ignorance is bliss after all.

Calm the fark down. I've spent almost two years reading up on the war, and, while I was against it on principle, I think that the end result is better than the alternative, which would have been millions dying under sanctions while Saddam lived in largess. I don't think war was the way to go as I think every life is sacred; we should have just given him the billion dollars he wanted just to go away and then let the UN deal with him.

And by "people" she means all the people that work for or hold stock in Halliburton/ Bechtel/ Blackwater/ Dyncorps...

Shaggy_C: paulseta: Words don't do justice to the anger I feel against your sort. Especially since I actually know what I'm talking about, where you're a smear on the toilet seat of life.

I don't know how you sleep - maybe ignorance is bliss after all.

Calm the fark down. I've spent almost two years reading up on the war, and, while I was against it on principle, I think that the end result is better than the alternative, which would have been millions dying under sanctions while Saddam lived in largess. I don't think war was the way to go as I think every life is sacred; we should have just given him the billion dollars he wanted just to go away and then let the UN deal with him.

Just go over there and have a look, okay? Read all you want, there's a ton of stuff happening there that I haven't seen printed anywhere.

A pool doesn't make it any better.

Shaggy_C: ..Blah, blah, general evidence of idiocy, blah, blah...

Ask a kid today about the Gulf of Tonkin or who first put troops in Vietnam, and they'll have no clue. All they'll talk about is Hippies and Communists. Possibly being one and the same, if it's a conservative you're talking to.

So what do the history books say about Vietnman? I think it's pretty universally accepted that the hippies were right about it. We went were we shouldn't have gone, achieved nothing, killed way too many people on both side and dishonored ourselves. Leaving was the most honorable thing we did, and it would be the most honorable thing we could do in Iraq.

Shaggy_C: paulseta: Words don't do justice to the anger I feel against your sort. Especially since I actually know what I'm talking about, where you're a smear on the toilet seat of life.

I don't know how you sleep - maybe ignorance is bliss after all.

Calm the fark down. I've spent almost two years reading up on the war, and, while I was against it on principle, I think that the end result is better than the alternative, which would have been millions dying under sanctions while Saddam lived in largess. I don't think war was the way to go as I think every life is sacred; we should have just given him the billion dollars he wanted just to go away and then let the UN deal with him.

It won't take 20 years to prove your folly, there will be another dictatorship in Iraq shortly after the occupation ends.
Sad but inevitable.

Guys, I don't think you get it. Iraq's a desert. A swimming pool is a big farking deal in the desert. I got your back, Shaggy.

Speaking of backs, those kids are pale as hell. You'd think they'd get a tan every once in awhile, being hundreds of miles closer to the equator.

Remove all Republicans: davidphogan: modestlivinglegend: Hey sore losers, he won two elections.

Are you sure you're not now the sore loser?

Besides, his first election came from the Supreme Court. The second was a matter of Kerry being too farking scared to question Ohio. The Republicans finally met a guy from Chicago, someone who knows rigged elections, and they couldn't beat him.

And the guy they killed last week near Akron.

captain_heroic44: Spoken like a true moron.

Tsk, tsk. The parties completely switched positions between 1999 and today. Let's play a gam. Look at these quotes, then guess who they came from:

"Some will say that because we cannot help people everywhere, we should help people nowhere. I believe that is wrong. We should work toward the day when there will be both the moral alertness and the political will on every continent to respond to human suffering."

"The current administration inherited a military ready for the dangers and challenges that faced our nation. The next president will inherit a military in decline. A volunteer military has only two paths. It can lower its standards to fill its ranks, or it can inspire the best & brightest to join & stay."

Shaggy_C: In 20 years, people will thank Bush for 'liberating' Iraq, even if he farked up the execution terribly at first.

And those people should be treated similar to the way Holocaust deniers are today.

Shaggy C

I think speculating as to how conflicts in the middle east will turn out is a fools errand. Equally, I try not to get involved in debate as to if the war was justified and worth it. My gut instinct is that it wasn't, but my gut tends to enjoy a little more bourbon than is healty, so it's judgement cannot always be trusted. My argument is that Bush will never, ever be remembered for providing a swimming pool for Iraq, when his other gifts to the country have killed, severed maimed and destroyed. His gifts to those people have contained more lead then any chinese toy, and he is accountable for the gallons and gallons of shed blood, blood that would fill plenty more than one pool. Civilian blood, allied blood. I don't care what the chlorine content of that pool, they could not clean his stains. He will be remembered for the death, the chaos, the fear and uncertainty. I don't believe he did this with an evil grin on his face and a white cat in his lap, but if you commit a crime through recklessness, you are still accountable.

And comparing iraq to vietnam is not the best way of presenting a pro argument for his actions.

modestlivinglegend: Hey sore losers, he won two elections. And Bush got the fall out from Clinton (9/11, the mortgage disaster and resulting domino effect). But Bush has handled it all exceptionally well, especially considering there was a massive scape goating of everything he did and said the entire time. Obama says stupid things, like there are 57 states, so why don't you hear about that over and over and over?

Bush kept us safe since 9/11 and made huge strides towards peace in the middle east. He always said it would not be easy and that the war on terror was an unknown that would be difficult. Mistakes were inevitable. Still, all in all, a huge success so far.

Let's just hope Obama can keep us safe, too. And LEAVE BUSH ALONE!!!!

What's that about Clinton and the housing boom?

What's that about keeping us safe? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/22/international/middleeast/22intel.htm


Peace in the middle east? What in God's name are you talking about. The Palestinian situation was been COMPLETELY ignored. Muslims, whose experience under Clinton (Kosovo, Palestine, went from largely seeing the United States as a defender of Islam to being an complete enemy of Islam. Interracial fighting within Islam went through the roof. Three, count them THREE, Islamic countries took large steps towards obtaining nuclear weapons. One of which has already tested that capability. One of which, the Israelis are taking care of. That last of which NOTHING has been done about. Western Pakistan is being COMPLETELY taken over by the Taliban and the United States has not gone after them where they live.


Bush has spent the last seven years ignoring the economy, squandering the good will of the world, and allowed the geo-political situation of those who seek to murder our brothers and sisters to get worse. Bush has been TERRIBLE, in all respects, for the long term security of the United States.

paulseta: Just go over there and have a look, okay? Read all you want, there's a ton of stuff happening there that I haven't seen printed anywhere.

No thanks. Mumsie insists I be available for social functions.

Allow me to elaborate on the "he kept us safe" thing. What exactly did he do in response to 9/11 that "kept us safe"? Botched up Afghanistan in favor of invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? Created thousands of more terrorists as a result of that invasion? Failed to capture Bin Laden? Reduce our standing with the rest of the world?

You guys act like before 9/11 we were attacked like every weekend. The fact is, Bin Laden achieved pretty much what he set out to achieve. Another attack would be redundant.

PirateFreedom: It won't take 20 years to prove your folly, there will be another dictatorship in Iraq shortly after the occupation ends.

The occupation will end on approximately the same date as the occupations of Germany and Japan.

Stesal: He will be remembered for the death, the chaos, the fear and uncertainty.

Is that how you remember President Eisenhower today?

Shaggy_C: 20 years from now? Yes, probably. The hemming and hawing from the left about what a 'mistake' the war was and how we were losing will seem awfully trite in the long term, especially when the 'liberal' president we just elected continues to keep upward of 50,000 troops in the country (about 1/3 of our current occupation force). The elite consensus in this country is that the invasion was necessary, and history is not written by the normal people. History books will eventually cut Iraq down to a single chapter in history books, with the following points with a few paragraphs highlighting each:


I think you're probably underestimating the critical edge with which the current conflict is seen. History is more than the Encyclopedia Britannica entry and documentaries on the History Channel after all. Don't forget the actual historians out there - there already is a rather rich amount of criticism coming from History as an academic discipline. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea of a "elite consensus" from. While it's worthwhile to take a wider view of such things, I would caution you not to take that to the extreme and lose of sight of current events in a romantic notion of the flow and ebb of history.

Mugato: Allow me to elaborate on the "he kept us safe" thing. What exactly did he do in response to 9/11 that "kept us safe"? Botched up Afghanistan in favor of invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? Created thousands of more terrorists as a result of that invasion? Failed to capture Bin Laden? Reduce our standing with the rest of the world?

You guys act like before 9/11 we were attacked like every weekend. The fact is, Bin Laden achieved pretty much what he set out to achieve. Another attack would be redundant.

Well, he did keep us safe from our old freedoms with the patriot act and the warrantless wiretapping thing.

Shaggy_C: Stesal: He will be remembered for the death, the chaos, the fear and uncertainty.

Is that how you remember President Eisenhower today?



Dude. Eisenhower will not be remembered like this.