If there's eve been a "wait, what?" headline this is it.

After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Among those CBS considered for the panel to investigate Rather's report were far-right broadcasters Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

Maybe somebody mentioned the names. I really doubt they were given serious consideration. That's wrong on levels that CBS executives can understand. Limbaugh and Coulter are good at what they do. What they do doesn't overlap -- even contradicts -- with what an investigative team needs.

(To liberals who are offended by my saying L and C are good at what they do -- offending you is part of what they do well. They do the kind of opinion and commentary that is designed to raise emotions.)

The Bush White House made FOX News their de facto propaganda outlet, and the rest of the networks had to go along or get crushed. It was a brilliant strategy, and people ate that shiat up. I know a few people that were hooked on the FOX news hate rush. It'll be interesting to see who Obama picks for his puppy. I'm betting MSNBC, but I could be wrong.

ZAZ

They do the kind of opinion and commentary that is designed to raise emotions

It's exactly like pro wrestling without the tights and the steroids.

TeddyBallGame: If there's eve been a "wait, what?" headline this is it.

Yeah, I thought that was a joke, but nope there it is. Things that make you go `da fuk?'

z_gringo: Ann Coulter is totally hot!!!

Why the long face?

ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Forgery? Then why have the contents of the documents never been denied, by the president or anyone around him?

Dan Rather Reports on HDNet is journalism as it should be.

Thank you Mr. Rather and Mr. Cuban.

zymurgist: Why the long face?

Better?

Ann Coulter is sooooooo hot!

IOW, hiring inquisitors.

Coulter and Rush are pretty much the voice of conservatism in America now, much the way the folks on Fark who submit floor-humper articles still manage to be the present and future of the Republican party.

Rather opened the door and they goth their foot in, so now we have to live with that.

Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Forgery? Then why have the contents of the documents never been denied, by the president or anyone around him?

The documents were forged. That does not mean that the information was false, it just means that Rather used a fake document as evidence - which is wrong.

ZAZ: (To liberals who are offended by my saying L and C are good at what they do -- offending you is part of what they do well. They do the kind of opinion and commentary that is designed to raise emotions.)

To me, Limbaugh is just an idiot and doesn't raise much emotion in me (unless thinking he's an idiot is an emotion). Coulter is smart and she thrives on being offensive, but as a result I don't take anything she says seriously.

Why not hire the Bloggers who busted him up

Also: You do not deny or approve of Forgeries. You ignore them

because they are FAKE

a CBS brain Fart. they must be desperate. ole' Rush never completed college.

to be more specific, rush dropped out after one year and never went back. he was afraid he might pick up an education.

ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Stop there. The information about the typeface has all been proven wrong. Typewriters existed at the time that could produce the documents as written. Much more importantly, they contained 100% true information information the DOD has since "lost". Here
s what we know for sure from Non-Dan Rather sources:

- Bush DID by every contemporary account, fail to complete is NG service,

-He stopped reporting for physicals exactly at the time they started drug-testing pilots.

- Bush received the lowest possible passing score on the TANG pilot's aptitude test and yet was given a slot in tier pilot's corp over much more qualified applicants because of a heretofore unknown special preference for sons of fighter pilots (as if Bush sr's WWII experience in a prop plane somehow magically gave his son the ability to fly a jet)

-Bush transferred from the TANG to the Alabama national guard, but apparently never reported for duty there

_Pentagon letters to Bush reflect he still had duty left to complete by the time he enrolled in Business school in MA. There is no record of him performing any sort of service in the MA national guard.

We need to execute people like Ann Coulter in order to physically intimidate conservatives, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.

So propaganda is "opinion and commentary" now? Heh.

mud_shark:

To me, Limbaugh is just an idiot and doesn't raise much emotion in me (unless thinking he's an idiot is an emotion). Coulter is smart and she thrives on being offensive, but as a result I don't take anything she says seriously.

The problem with Rush and Coulter is that people DO take them seriously. VERY seriously. Dick Cheney was on Limbaugh's show several times to explain official White House policy in detail. Coulter is a regular on the news networks.

Of course, the real problem isn't those two demagogues, it's the fact that their blatant lies and insults are given so much weight by the media, policy makers, and roughly half of the American voting population.

I don't think Limbaugh is an idiot. I strongly suspect he really doesn't care about the damage he does-- all he cares about is himself and his $400 million contract for the next 8 years.

Same with Coulter-- the two are essentially sociopaths who found a very profitable niche in exploiting the ignorance and fear of millions of Americans.

It's a real damn shame, and a perfect example of the painfully high price we must pay for our freedom of speech.

Riche:

It's a real damn shame, and a perfect example of the painfully high price we must pay for our freedom of speech.

Our founding fathers expected that any voting (and therefore educated) person would have had some training in rhetoric and it's uses.

People that didn't want the story to come out have claimed it was falsified. Wow, what a surprise, but not enough evidence to say the papers were forged. Just enough reason for them to say they were forged.

As a guy who has hung out with a lot of old time pilots at air shows, I have to admit that, other than Bush, none of the old timers have ever known a guy to get into the guard as a fighter pilot unless they had previously flown in the service. But it would be a perfect place to hide your drug addicted son during a war.

Rex_Banner: Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Forgery? Then why have the contents of the documents never been denied, by the president or anyone around him?

The documents were forged. That does not mean that the information was false, it just means that Rather used a fake document as evidence - which is wrong.

Err...

It's never even actually been substantiated that they were forged. Doing so would require comparing them with the actual "real copies" of the records in question, which conveniently cannot seem to be "found". By anyone.

Anyway, you are technically correct about your point about the nature of the information itself. No one in the administration has categorically rejected the accusations to date, which when dealing with politicians means that usually it's true.

It's too bad Rather lost his job over this, but it's a damnable indictment of corporate media in general. They had the President by the balls, but backed off because of fiscal regulatory concerns. I'm of the opinion that dollars shouldn't influence "the truth", so I suppose I'm a bit of a purist in that regard (I like my truth with not so much truthiness).

Oh well, at least we can be happy that the netroots media is picking up readers. They, for now, still have some honesty there and frankly I like it a lot because to me there isn't much difference from some anarchist blogger spouting bile against the government than there is with a fellow like say Thomas Paine or Benjamin Franklin publishing anti-monarchy screeds in paper pamphlets.

/The printing press set us free from the tyranny of monarchy.
//Maybe the internet will set us free from the tyranny of corporatism?

Magorn

No you stop right there. The guy who invented the font for both Windows and the Typerwriters you are refering to said a typewriter exists that was SIMILAR a Typewriter that the Texas Air National Guard didn't have

FURTHERMORE the woman who typewrote all the documents for the officer in question said she never did it

ergo right there the document is a forgery

Magorn: ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Stop there. The information about the typeface has all been proven wrong. Typewriters existed at the time that could produce the documents as written. Much more importantly, they contained 100% true information information the DOD has since "lost". Here
s what we know for sure from Non-Dan Rather sources:

- Bush DID by every contemporary account, fail to complete is NG service,

-He stopped reporting for physicals exactly at the time they started drug-testing pilots.

- Bush received the lowest possible passing score on the TANG pilot's aptitude test and yet was given a slot in tier pilot's corp over much more qualified applicants because of a heretofore unknown special preference for sons of fighter pilots (as if Bush sr's WWII experience in a prop plane somehow magically gave his son the ability to fly a jet)

-Bush transferred from the TANG to the Alabama national guard, but apparently never reported for duty there

_Pentagon letters to Bush reflect he still had duty left to complete by the time he enrolled in Business school in MA. There is no record of him performing any sort of service in the MA national guard.

Okay god, are you another "fake but accurate" fanatic?

The font and spacing matched MS word perfectly.

Type-writers may have reproduced the font, but not the spacing OR the TH on the date.

Why do people continue beating this dead horse?

CBS having Limbaugh and Coulter as 'judges' of the content is just setting up the lawsuit to be thrown out. All Rather would have to do is show the fairness of their input is to show various clips from their appearances in the media. Somehow I think multiple clips of Coulter talking over people and doing strange dances on Fox News while Limbaugh's drug problem is aired out will damage their credibility enough for a mistrial, which is what CBS may want since Rather seems to have a solid case against them.

Investigative journalism is dead in America. In this day and age, most networks are even closing down there foreign offices because you know, nothing ever happens "over there" anyway. None of the major networks anticipated any of the recent financial scandals and disasters. They kowtowed Bush for years. They all failed on a monumental scale in Iraq.

All the "news" they do is repeats of the talking points of people like PACs unions or corporations or the WH/military who want to get a message out.

The rest is weather, celebs and disappeared blondes.

TwistedFark: Rex_Banner: Code_Archeologist: ZAZ: After an outcry from the White House and conservative bloggers who claimed that the report had been based on falsified documents, CBS retracted the story, saying that the documents' authenticity could not be verified.

More like: "After it became clear that the documents were forged and any competent journalistic team would have known they were forged, ..."

Forgery? Then why have the contents of the documents never been denied, by the president or anyone around him?

The documents were forged. That does not mean that the information was false, it just means that Rather used a fake document as evidence - which is wrong.

Err...

It's never even actually been substantiated that they were forged. Doing so would require comparing them with the actual "real copies" of the records in question, which conveniently cannot seem to be "found". By anyone.

Anyway, you are technically correct about your point about the nature of the information itself. No one in the administration has categorically rejected the accusations to date, which when dealing with politicians means that usually it's true.

It's too bad Rather lost his job over this, but it's a damnable indictment of corporate media in general. They had the President by the balls, but backed off because of fiscal regulatory concerns. I'm of the opinion that dollars shouldn't influence "the truth", so I suppose I'm a bit of a purist in that regard (I like my truth with not so much truthiness).

Oh well, at least we can be happy that the netroots media is picking up readers. They, for now, still have some honesty there and frankly I like it a lot because to me there isn't much difference from some anarchist blogger spouting bile against the government than there is with a fellow like say Thomas Paine or Benjamin Franklin publishing anti-monarchy screeds in paper pamphlets.

/The printing press set us free from the tyranny of monarchy.
//Maybe the internet will set us free from the tyranny of corporatism?

Standard thing is to accept something as false until it can be confirmed as authentic.

It's called the burden of proof. CBS presented the memos, so it was up to them to prove their authenticity. They admitted the memo could NOT be verified.

Rather is such a tool. He threw away his reputation and now he is clinging for some relevancy.

/later Dan

You don't mean that tranny, and the 80+ Oxy/day guy. Do you?

/GOP = quality people!

karasoth: FURTHERMORE the woman who typewrote all the documents for the officer in question said she never did it


I worked for the government 20-some years ago as a clerk-typist. At one point I was called on to do a Serious Incident Report when a soldier allegedly committed a murder. I couldn't possibly tell you who the soldier was or even the approximate date (closer than 86-87). This was the only SIR I did while I was a GS-4 clerk-typist for the Ft. Sheridan Provost Marshal. This woman would have typed up dozens or hundreds of these documents. To say that she never typed up one for George W. Bush is a feat of memory that would make Elizabeth Loftus stand and applaud. I wouldn't take as proof either way that someone said they never typed up a document.

Now, I'm not saying that she's not correct, but if she's correct, it's more due to chance than actual memory.

Dan Rather?

You mean that drive-by media partisan hack who got his ass handed to him by a couple of amateur bloggers in their pajamas?

PUH-leeze!

bacccc: You don't mean that tranny, and the 80+ Oxy/day guy. Do you?

/GOP = quality people!

Awww, is this some of that Liberal Tolerance^TM of homosexuals and drug addicts that I keep hearing about?

/stay classy!

karasoth: FURTHERMORE the woman who typewrote all the documents for the officer in question said she never did it

Can she can recall the names of all the subjects of the documents that she did type?

If not, then it's pretty clear that she does not recall typing one up for W but may have. It's not evidence that she did but her recollection certainly isn't evidence that she did not.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: drive-by media

What does this even mean?

Code_Archeologist: Forgery? Then why have the contents of the documents never been denied, by the president or anyone around him?

Magorn: Stop there. The information about the typeface has all been proven wrong. Typewriters existed at the time that could produce the documents as written. Much more importantly, they contained 100% true information information the DOD has since "lost".

hellbilly: People that didn't want the story to come out have claimed it was falsified. Wow, what a surprise, but not enough evidence to say the papers were forged. Just enough reason for them to say they were forged.

TwistedFark: It's never even actually been substantiated that they were forged. Doing so would require comparing them with the actual "real copies" of the records in question, which conveniently cannot seem to be "found". By anyone.

equilibrium: Can she can recall the names of all the subjects of the documents that she did type?

If not, then it's pretty clear that she does not recall typing one up for W but may have. It's not evidence that she did but her recollection certainly isn't evidence that she did not.

Liberals. Still white-knighting proven scumbags like Rather after all these years.

z_gringo:


Ann Coulter is totally hot!!!


FTFY

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Liberals. Still white-knighting proven scumbags like Rather after all these years.

Anyone have that "Freeper Alert" picture handy?

In other news, CBS hires Big Bad Wolf to guard sheep, Michael Jackson to run its daycare, Al Capone to guard Fort Knox, and Adolf Hitler to run its synagogue.

HotWingConspiracy Quote 2008-12-28 11:34:52 AM
We need to execute people like Ann Coulter in order to physically intimidate conservatives, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.

too obvious. 3/10

equilibrium: the_vegetarian_cannibal: drive-by media

What does this even mean?

Don't try to feign ignorance on this.

You libs never miss an opportunity to decry Rush, Coulter, or Fox News for being so horribly biased but when "respected journalists" like Dan Rather attempt to do a smear-job on the President with falsified documents, you suddenly turn a blind eye.

What? Is this what you all define as "fair and balanced" media coverage? No wonder why you think Fox is too far-right just because it's not like all the other MSM outlets.

HotWingConspiracy: We need to execute people like Ann Coulter in order to physically intimidate conservatives, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.

More Liberal Tolerance^TM!!!

equilibrium: the_vegetarian_cannibal: drive-by media

What does this even mean?

Whatever Rush wants it to.

But, presumably: It refers to the fact that mass media, which is designed to get the highest number of stories out to the highest number of people, tends to spend fairly little time going in depth on many stories.

I don't necessarily disagree with the concept, but the phrase sets my teeth on edge every time I hear it...doubly so when Rush Limburger does so.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: HotWingConspiracy: We need to execute people like Ann Coulter in order to physically intimidate conservatives, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.

More Liberal ToleranceTM!!!


Yeah, what kind of intolerant scumbag would say something like that?

i swear...i will find the video of the interview i did with the Colonel who swore Bush in and was in his chain of command. He basically says that Bush did nothing wrong.