Hear we go again....

No jokes about "doesn't see it that way"? Must be too early.

larf....

"Sorry Caroline, I got this."

Ok ok, semi-serious post.

Let's stop trying to get "star powered" politicians into office.

What NY needs to do is move someone up from the house. I propose Anthony Weiner, he already works well with Chuck Schumer and pretty much got shot down from running for mayor of NYC thanks to Bloomberg's money.

Besides, think of all the Weiner jokes we'll be able to make.

did she say what she PAID for it?

or do we have to wait for the wiretaps to come out.

Nydia Velasquez gets my vote!
... wait, what?

I voted for Lizard People.

michaeld5: "Sorry Caroline, I got this."

Okay, I'm interested.

What policies does he have that you support?
What is his voting record?
What will he do for the people of New York including upstate where they really need the help?

FTFA: "If I were the governor, I would look and question whether this is the appointment I would want to make, whether her first obligation might be to the mayor of the City of New York rather than the governor who would be appointing her,"

Her first obligation should be to the people of New York. The Speaker's statement is another example of how completely broken our government is.

This whole situation has absolutely nothing to do with the people of New York. It only has to do with politicians trying line their own pockets... again.

Beware of politicians speaking about someone elses "qualifications" to hold office.

Didn't princess say she would not run for this seat unless she was handed it this time? How quaint this spoiled, never worked a day in her life little biatch, thinks she is owed this.

If she is annointed into the Senate, it says alot about New York. Atleast Hillary actually had experiance before she carpet bagged her way into the Senate.

winterwhile: did she say what she PAID for it?

or do we have to wait for the wiretaps to come out.

I believe you could have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of time if you had just told us that you got nothin'.

Jesus farking Christ. These Caroline Kennedy articles are getting old. Same shiat is said in all the threads. If you're interested in my rebuttal to your stupid arguments, check the last two threads.

I see what you did there.

/sort of
//a little
///maybe?
////nope...that's a truck.

sjmvabch: Didn't princess say she would not run for this seat unless she was handed it this time?

Nope.

What she said is that if not chosen, she will not run against whoever takes the seat in 2012 and potentially split the vote.

sjmvabch: Didn't princess say she would not run for this seat unless she was handed it this time? How quaint this spoiled, never worked a day in her life little biatch, thinks she is owed this.

If she is annointed into the Senate, it says alot about New York. Atleast Hillary actually had experiance before she carpet bagged her way into the Senate.


Actually, you full of fail jackass, she said she wouldn't run against whomever was chosen because it might split the party and give the GOP a chance to stick someone in that seat. Had you read the article detailing that little fact, you might have avoided completely embarrassing yourself.


BTW, the only one who is a little biatch here, is you. Have a nice day.

Random Reality Check

Okay, I'm interested.

What policies does he have that you support?
What is his voting record?
What will he do for the people of New York including upstate where they really need the help?



I'm not from New York but, I'll tell you one new policy that is retarded and that's his new sin tax. And yes, it is a sin tax although it's labeled an "obesity tax." The effort would impose a 15% tax on sodas and other non-diet drinks. This will effect even drinks like Gatorade and most fruit drinks that have sugar. Forcing bad food out of the hands of adults is not the answer because it unfairly affects those people who might not have a problem. Finally, Actually, what it really is is a tax on the poor. Who eats and drinks unhealthy foods disproportionately? The poor. I realize his "reasoning" for doing this (the NYS deficit) but perhaps they need to look at the real reason this occured--*clears throat*--Wallstreet. So, what does this man do? Instead of going after those guys he strings up the poor. He can kiss my rear.

sjmvabch: Didn't princess say she would not run for this seat unless she was handed it this time? How quaint this spoiled, never worked a day in her life little biatch, thinks she is owed this.

If she is annointed into the Senate, it says alot about New York. Atleast Hillary actually had experiance before she carpet bagged her way into the Senate.

No, she didn't.

Next time, try getting some real information before you make a jackass out of yourself in public - again.

turtle-tracks: I'm not from New York but, I'll tell you one new policy that is retarded and that's his new sin tax. And yes, it is a sin tax although it's labeled an "obesity tax." The effort would impose a 15% tax on sodas and other non-diet drinks. This will effect even drinks like Gatorade and most fruit drinks that have sugar. Forcing bad food out of the hands of adults is not the answer because it unfairly affects those people who might not have a problem. Finally, Actually, what it really is is a tax on the poor. Who eats and drinks unhealthy foods disproportionately? The poor. I realize his "reasoning" for doing this (the NYS deficit) but perhaps they need to look at the real reason this occured--*clears throat*--Wallstreet. So, what does this man do? Instead of going after those guys he strings up the poor. He can kiss my rear.

Hmm, I'm conflicted on that one.

I'm not sure I would have a problem with a sensible tax on junk food, because in the long run, we, the tax payer, end up paying for the medical expenses of those who overindulge.

However, as you described the bill, I would not support it.

Random Reality Check

I believe you could have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of time if you had just told us that you got nothin'.

I do think we have that Pelosi run:

CULTURE OF CORRUPTION

that ain't nothin'

Who's been saying it's a done deal? It sounds a lot like the republican meme that started last year with Hillary.

Random Reality Check: winterwhile: blah blah blah

I believe you could have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of time if you had just told us that you got nothin'.

He didn't waste any of our time because he used that login, and it naver has anything.

Random Reality Check
Hmm, I'm conflicted on that one...However, as you described the bill, I would not support it.

I feel your pain. Working in EMS I have to lift these people on a daily basis and the injuries in our field have tripled as a result of obese patients. The burden on us and the health care system is huge (no pun intended). However, many of these people don't/can't work as a result of obesity related illnesses and simply increasing the health care costs shifts the burden back onto the working classes through taxes. But, "sin taxes" (i.e obesity taxes) is not the answer because it still punishes the poor and those not effected by obesity. There are ideas that may help to solve this issue but in our current economic crisis it will be difficult to implement them.

Random Reality Check: michaeld5: "Sorry Caroline, I got this."

Okay, I'm interested.

What policies does he have that you support?
What is his voting record?
What will he do for the people of New York including upstate where they really need the help?

I don't vote Democrat in general, so I don't support any of them.
My premise is that Andrew is the one who will most likely be chosen because he is most palatable to NY Dems.

turtle-tracks:
I'm not from New York but, I'll tell you one new policy that is retarded and that's his new sin tax. And yes, it is a sin tax although it's labeled an "obesity tax." The effort would impose a 15% tax on sodas and other non-diet drinks. This will effect even drinks like Gatorade and most fruit drinks that have sugar. Forcing bad food out of the hands of adults is not the answer because it unfairly affects those people who might not have a problem. Finally, Actually, what it really is is a tax on the poor. Who eats and drinks unhealthy foods disproportionately? The poor. I realize his "reasoning" for doing this (the NYS deficit) but perhaps they need to look at the real reason this occured--*clears throat*--Wallstreet. So, what does this man do? Instead of going after those guys he strings up the poor. He can kiss my rear.

Actually, you should read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" before you go off talking about stuff you are clueless on.

Here's a hint, it sucks to be poor. And the poor are stupid. It will suck to be poor with or without a 15% tax on HFCS sodas and drinks. If it forces the poor to give their kids water instead of hyperactive inducing sodas then those idiots might just be able to sit still for class and they might actually learn something.

winterwhile: Random Reality Check

I believe you could have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of time if you had just told us that you got nothin'.

I do think we have that Pelosi run:

CULTURE OF CORRUPTION

that ain't nothin'

No, it's a lie.
Do try to get your terms straight.

jcooli09: Random Reality Check: winterwhile: blah blah blah

I believe you could have saved us all, including yourself, a lot of time if you had just told us that you got nothin'.

He didn't waste any of our time because he used that login, and it naver has anything.

Point taken.

However, I like poking sharp sticks at braindead lunatics.
Sometimes they make really humorous sounds.

It's funny because he's blind!!!1!1!!@!12

"Actually, you full of fail jackass, she said she wouldn't run against whomever was chosen because it might split the party and give the GOP a chance to stick someone in that seat. Had you read the article detailing that little fact, you might have avoided completely embarrassing yourself."

So she wants to be handed a Senate seat, but does not want to actually be elected to it. How Democratic of her, the hypocrisy is strong within her.

What experiance does she have to be a Senator? Is she bored country clubbing and wants to play Senator?

sjmvabch: "Actually, you full of fail jackass, she said she wouldn't run against whomever was chosen because it might split the party and give the GOP a chance to stick someone in that seat. Had you read the article detailing that little fact, you might have avoided completely embarrassing yourself."

So she wants to be handed a Senate seat, but does not want to actually be elected to it. How Democratic of her, the hypocrisy is strong within her.

What experiance does she have to be a Senator? Is she bored country clubbing and wants to play Senator?

Who do you suggest? Rush Limbaugh?

turtle-tracks: Random Reality Check
Hmm, I'm conflicted on that one...However, as you described the bill, I would not support it.

I feel your pain. Working in EMS I have to lift these people on a daily basis and the injuries in our field have tripled as a result of obese patients. The burden on us and the health care system is huge (no pun intended). However, many of these people don't/can't work as a result of obesity related illnesses and simply increasing the health care costs shifts the burden back onto the working classes through taxes. But, "sin taxes" (i.e obesity taxes) is not the answer because it still punishes the poor and those not effected by obesity. There are ideas that may help to solve this issue but in our current economic crisis it will be difficult to implement them.

Hey, thanks for your service to our country.

I hold your position in as high esteem as any other first responder and equal to our military. As I have several friends in your field, I have heard about the problem with broken backboards as well as the injuries that morbidly obese patients create.

However, with respect to your comment about the sin tax hurting the poor, I would have no problem using a portion of the resulting tax money to subsidize better quality snack foods (unsweetened fruit juices, nuts etc.) as well as funding our volunteer firefighter and rescue personnel along with getting them the equipment they need to get the job done.

Do you think this might be something you would consider as being a better way to handle the problem?

sjmvabch: "Actually, you full of fail jackass, she said she wouldn't run against whomever was chosen because it might split the party and give the GOP a chance to stick someone in that seat. Had you read the article detailing that little fact, you might have avoided completely embarrassing yourself."

So she wants to be handed a Senate seat, but does not want to actually be elected to it. How Democratic of her, the hypocrisy is strong within her.

What experiance does she have to be a Senator? Is she bored country clubbing and wants to play Senator?

So, what you're saying is that you have no idea what Caroline Kennedy has done, what positions she has held, if she has experience, any experience or even loads of experience - but you have an opinion.

Don't worry, nobody would ever consider it an educated opinion.

"I'm really coming into this as somebody who isn't, you know, part of the system, who obviously, you know, stands for the values of, you know, the Democratic Party," Kennedy told the Daily News Saturday during a wide-ranging interview.

"I know how important it is to, you know, to be my own person. And, you know, and that would be obviously true with my relationship with the mayor."

She obviously has important senatory things to say, you know?

Random Reality Check: So, what you're saying is that you have no idea what Caroline Kennedy has done, what positions she has held, if she has experience, any experience or even loads of experience - but you have an opinion.


I'm sure you could list a number of bullshiat pseudo-accomplishments though.

She has never held public office and I don't think the Senate is the place to try it out.

/she could at least be a Gated Community Organizer for a few years.

I don't live in NY, so I really don't have a say.....

BUT

I would want to see a list of her qualifications or accomplishments, as well as what she wants to try to do once in the Senate.

Depending on those answers, she may be nothing more than the lefts Sarah Palin.

Phil Herup: Random Reality Check: So, what you're saying is that you have no idea what Caroline Kennedy has done, what positions she has held, if she has experience, any experience or even loads of experience - but you have an opinion.


I'm sure you could list a number of bullshiat pseudo-accomplishments though.

She has never held public office and I don't think the Senate is the place to try it out.

/she could at least be a Gated Community Organizer for a few years.

Why?

Are you defending the position that all of our experienced politicians are nothing short of excellent in their work?

Damn, Phil, are you feeling okay?

Steve Zodiac: Depending on those answers, she may be nothing more than the lefts Sarah Palin.


Sure maybe, they have so many similarities. Caroline Kennedy is an excellent public speaker, she has been a Mayor and she has been Governor of Massachusetts.

Bleh. Dragged in again.

Some misconceptions about Caroline Kennedy:

1. She's lived in New York for a very long time. She didn't move there just for the Senate.

2. She wants to be Senator, not VP. Comparisons with Palin are invalid. LOTS of Senators have no previous political experience when they first run for office.

3. She didn't say she wouldn't run for Senator, just that she wouldn't run against a Democrat in 2010 if Paterson appoints someone else. Big difference there. She leaves open the possibility of 2012 or any future Senate election should a Republican be the incumbent at that point. It's not a matter of disdaining the electoral process, it's a matter of party loyalty.

Yes, she says "you know" a lot in her interviews, but this seems to just be a habitual interjection like "um." I had a math teacher in High School who said, "'kay," at least once a sentence. It didn't make him less intelligent, and he could convey his points just fine. It seems obvious and sticks out in print, but in audio or video you don't notice after awhile.

When I see her compared to Palin, why is it that Palin comes off as the one thats actually earned more in her life? And thats saying something.

Caroline-- famous name, but never held a job other than vanity appointments dot org type of things.

Palin -- yeah, ok, she's dumber than a box of hammers at a hammer convention, but she did win some elections, and did convince some voters in her state she was worth electing.

I don't want either of them anywhere near actual power, mind you, but Palin at least can lay claim to being a winner in some actual elections.

Kennedy? patrician empty head . Belongs in the House of Lords maybe.

And am I the only one that thinks "finally, we're just about done with the Kennedys on the national stage" then this gal suddenly shows up to ruin that story line?

Generation_D: ..am I the only one that thinks "finally, we're just about done with the Kennedys on the national stage" then this gal suddenly shows up to ruin that story line?

Well put. I agree with this. If we could close the Kennedys in politics chapter for at least while, I think it would be good. If she really wants it, she can run for the job like everyone else. If she gets it by the will of the people, then fine.

/still hopes the Kennedy chapter stays closed

Phil Herup: Steve Zodiac: Depending on those answers, she may be nothing more than the lefts Sarah Palin.


Sure maybe, they have so many similarities. Caroline Kennedy is an excellent public speaker, she has been a Mayor and she has been Governor of Massachusetts.

See Generatin_D above for my thoughts on the matter.


/Prefer not to see ideologues from either persuasion in power.

Phil Herup: Well put. I agree with this. If we could close the Kennedys in politics chapter for at least while, I think it would be good. If she really wants it, she can run for the job like everyone else. If she gets it by the will of the people, then fine.

/still hopes the Kennedy chapter stays closed

I'm sure you have some good reasons for this, right?

jcooli09: Who do you suggest? Rush Limbaugh?

So do you honestly think that in a state of almost 20 million people, they cannot find a person who is more qualified then Caroline Kennedy? Or is it that you are just repeating an inane comment you heard someone else say which you didn't bother to think about?

NobleHam: 2. She wants to be Senator, not VP. Comparisons with Palin are invalid. LOTS of Senators have no previous political experience when they first run for office.

She's being appointed, she should have prior substantial prior experience. At the very least, the election means that the person needs to propose policies, take stands on issues, and run a campaign. This crucible is not present in an appointment, so we should appoint someone with substantial experience.

ThematicDevice: So do you honestly think that in a state of almost 20 million people, they cannot find a person who is more qualified then Caroline Kennedy? Or is it that you are just repeating an inane comment you heard someone else say which you didn't bother to think about?

So who is this person that you must know since you aren't just repeating what you heard from someone.

Steve Zodiac: See Generatin_D above for my thoughts on the matter.


I already did, and agreed with him in toto. I also do not want any ideologues in office. Unless perhaps they are Libertarian, but that will never happen.



bartink: I'm sure you have some good reasons for this, right?

A good reason not have any more Kennedys in public office on the federal level?

Phil Herup: Steve Zodiac: Depending on those answers, she may be nothing more than the lefts Sarah Palin.


Sure maybe, they have so many similarities. Caroline Kennedy is an excellent public speaker, she has been a Mayor and she has been Governor of Massachusetts.

Sarah Palin can't speak without a teleprompter and everyone knows she can't speak off the cuff. Ask Katie Couric and "Charlie" Gibson.

Do you think Sarah will be able to learn as quickly as Obama did?

And then there were all those mean "gotcha" questions the media kept asking her, you know, about flag pins and placing your hand across your heart - issues that people like you really wanted to know about.

Mean reporters...

bartink: So who is this person that you must know since you aren't just repeating what you heard from someone.

20 million people and you do not think you can find one person who has attended the ivy league for undergrad and law school as well as having accomplished something in their life? By virtue of the population of New York there are more qualified people.

There are 29 members of New Yorks delegation to the house, all, by virtue of being elected are more qualified then Caroline Kennedy. There is Micheal Bloomberg, there are numerous scholars in New York's many University who were not so incredibly likely to have had their published books ghost-written. There is an entire group of professionals in New York who have actually worked for their positions and their success and not simply have had inherited it by virtue of their last name.

ThematicDevice: jcooli09: Who do you suggest? Rush Limbaugh?

So do you honestly think that in a state of almost 20 million people, they cannot find a person who is more qualified then Caroline Kennedy? Or is it that you are just repeating an inane comment you heard someone else say which you didn't bother to think about?

I don't know.
What's the population of Alaska?

Seriously though, if there are more qualified people, or a person who would represent the interests of all of the voters in New York, they should be brought into the spotlight.

Who would you suggest and what positions do they hold you feel strongly about?

By the way, what positions does Caroline Kennedy have that you are against? That is the problem, right? You don't like what she stands for politically?

I relaly don't care who gets appointed. They'll be the same corrupt pieces of shiat politicians always are no matter what.

But go on, pretend it matters.