But the Falcons are doing so well this year.

It's about time, i'm tired of living in a third world country.

So, uh, are they going to promise not to poke Russia with a stick again like complete farking idiots? Because that didn't work so well last time. And we don't need to be dragged into their stupidity, which is why they don't belong in NATO until they have leadership with decent judgement.

kmmontandon: So, uh, are they going to promise not to poke Russia with a stick again like complete farking idiots? Because that didn't work so well last time. And we don't need to be dragged into their stupidity, which is why they don't belong in NATO until they have leadership with decent judgement.

Proxy wars FTW, Party like it 1959.

First step... building a wall around President Saahashvili's damn mouth.

The horse has already left the barn

Why does it seem that much of American foreign policy is based around purposefully antagonizing the Russians?

Haha. US puppet state get thrashed like a dog when they started a fight with Russia. Some shiat-stirring Israeli "advisors" got killed too. Good result!

Finally, we'll get those Georgians fenced off so we don't have to deal with their stupid shiat any more. Next up... Florida.

i'm pretty surprised that the right-wing blogs haven't tried to advance the link between what happened in georgia with the tanking of the russian economy. i know if i wanted to make a case for possible astute bush administration foreign policy decisions i'd go out of my way to look at that one. i'd guess there are two main reasons for the failure to develop the argument - the first being that the typical right-winger is not really capable of genuine interest in world events, and the second that they all went big on the trite "blame russia" theme at the time of the conflict.

The "Georgia" meme is the dumbest ever.

Good work Yanks, keep farking around in the Bear´s backyard.

Obviously such a diplomatically skilled nation with such competent intelligence services will be make this a highly successful endeavour.

Ohoho!! Ees funny because people mistake country name for US state!

/Oblig

Ninja Wicked: Why does it seem that much of American foreign policy is based around purposefully antagonizing the Russians?

Because no matter what we do, the Russians will react like the thin skinned children that they are. Their worldview hasn't changed much since the mid to late 80s, and their worldview at that point hadn't changed much since the days of serfdom. They wish that they were big boys and that they could play in the big boy's sandlot, so they built up a cache of weapons and started dealing with the people that the rest of civilization wouldn't have anything to do with.

To the Russians, the Cold War is as over as the Civil War is for our backwater brethren in the deep south.

WaltFlanagansDog: To the Russians, the Cold War is as over as the Civil War is for our backwater brethren in the deep south.

Hey, speaking of a worldview that hasn't changed much since the mid to late 80s . . . 1880s . . .

There was a video game that took place in Georgia and i highly recommend playing through it before getting involved with any thing going on there.
/Off to play Smugglers Run 2 on my ps2.

21-7-b: i'm pretty surprised that the right-wing blogs haven't tried to advance the link between what happened in georgia with the tanking of the russian economy. i know if i wanted to make a case for possible astute bush administration foreign policy decisions i'd go out of my way to look at that one. i'd guess there are two main reasons for the failure to develop the argument - the first being that the typical right-winger is not really capable of genuine interest in world events, and the second that they all went big on the trite "blame russia" theme at the time of the conflict.

There's probably not much connection. Russia's economy is still based on resources so they're vulnerable to outside occurrences. If anything the conflict made it clear that investments in Russia are vulnerable because Putin is a fascist. This may have made some investors pull out. The reality is the US treats Russia based upon the size of its economy while the Russians think they should be treated according to how many nukes they have. What's inconsistent in US policy is we treat China by how many nukes they have rather than the size of their economy. The rules are that you have to treat countries by the size of their economy and you yourself can only act according to the size of your economy. When this rule is broken, war happens.

eff ewe: Finally, we'll get those Georgians fenced off so we don't have to deal with their stupid shiat any more. Next up... Florida.

Florida already signed a deal with the Cubans.

OZZ: Good work Yanks, keep farking around in the Bear´s backyard.

Georgia is not "the Bear's backyard". Russia's "backyard" is Siberia, their own property. Georgia is a sovereign nation, and no more Russia's "backyard" than your house is your neighbors side yard. They get to choose what they do their their country, and Russia needs to quit crying like children about it and focus on their own crumbling country.

No man, fark Putin. We wants to go back to the old USSR, another cold war etc...we need to back our leadership to keep the former USSR fragmented and foster democracy in Georgia.

/the world doesn't need or want another cold war

Meh this is boring, I think I'll go to the bar and start picking fights with dudes that look like they can kick my butt.

WaltFlanagansDog: Ninja Wicked: Why does it seem that much of American foreign policy is based around purposefully antagonizing the Russians?

Because no matter what we do, the Russians will react like the thin skinned children that they are. Their worldview hasn't changed much since the mid to late 80s, and their worldview at that point hadn't changed much since the days of serfdom. They wish that they were big boys and that they could play in the big boy's sandlot, so they built up a cache of weapons and started dealing with the people that the rest of civilization wouldn't have anything to do with.

To the Russians, the Cold War is as over as the Civil War is for our backwater brethren in the deep south.

Damn that Pot is so black, I farkin hate his sooty arse.
-Kettle

I bet Cleveland is steamed...

mecaenas: WaltFlanagansDog: Ninja Wicked: Why does it seem that much of American foreign policy is based around purposefully antagonizing the Russians?

Because no matter what we do, the Russians will react like the thin skinned children that they are. Their worldview hasn't changed much since the mid to late 80s, and their worldview at that point hadn't changed much since the days of serfdom. They wish that they were big boys and that they could play in the big boy's sandlot, so they built up a cache of weapons and started dealing with the people that the rest of civilization wouldn't have anything to do with.

To the Russians, the Cold War is as over as the Civil War is for our backwater brethren in the deep south.

Damn that Pot is so black, I farkin hate his sooty arse.
-Kettle

The Kettle is a dirty rotten liar, he's the one who's black.
-Pot

Ninja Wicked: Why does it seem that much of American foreign policy is based around purposefully antagonizing the Russians?

'Cause they're a bunch of pussies who are asking for it.

/Wolverines!

earlm

There's probably not much connection. Russia's economy is still based on resources so they're vulnerable to outside occurrences. If anything the conflict made it clear that investments in Russia are vulnerable because Putin is a fascist. This may have made some investors pull out. The reality is the US treats Russia based upon the size of its economy while the Russians think they should be treated according to how many nukes they have. What's inconsistent in US policy is we treat China by how many nukes they have rather than the size of their economy. The rules are that you have to treat countries by the size of their economy and you yourself can only act according to the size of your economy. When this rule is broken, war happens.

not really. the russian economy is particularly vulnerable to instability.

Phil McKraken: The "Georgia" meme is the dumbest ever.

+1

Cannot farking wait for this one to die a horrible death.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=105&sid=1500661

MOSCOW (AP) - Only a few months ago, the Kremlin was talking about pricing its oil in rubles and making the ruble a regional reserve currency, giving it a status closer to that of the euro and the dollar.

But that was before Russian tanks rolled into Georgia, the Russian stock market crashed and the price of oil fell by half.

The ruble has declined steadily since the Aug. 7 start of the five-day war with Georgia, losing some 10 percent to 12 percent of its value against the dollar. Without intervention by the central bank, which began in early September, it might have fallen further, faster.

i think it's down around 14% now, but i'm not sure

Georgia? We're going to risk another Asian land war over Georgia? We're supposed to be all weepy about whether Georgia remains an independent democracy? Should we really waste resources and American lives for that godforsaken, ethnically explosive crap-hole? Am I going to continue asking rhetorical questions?

Phil McKraken: The "Georgia" meme is the dumbest ever.

Then don't read or participate in those threads. Problem solved.
Also an FYI, if you don't like what's on the TV you can change channels or turn it off.

/feelin' snarky

Thought you were on top of the world in August, dincha?

And now for pics of random Russian hotties. Just because.

Brainwash: No man, fark Putin. We wants to go back to the old USSR, another cold war etc...we need to back our leadership to keep the former USSR fragmented and foster democracy in Georgia.

/the world doesn't need or want another cold war

Bone up on your recent history, man. When Putin came to power at the beginning of this decade he tried to appease the West, did everything we asked of him in advancing democracy and free-market capitalism.

And what was his reward?

NATO is practically on the borders of the Rodina, missile interceptors a stone's throw from Russian territory, and security guarantees for Russia's ethnic antagonists. If I was Vladimir Putin I'd be feeling pretty duped right now.

I'm as red blooded as the next American but whether I want to admit it or not, we pretty much reneged on everything we agreed to with Russia. Putin is probably taking a look around at what cooperation with America got him and saying "fark this, if we had done things our way from the start none of this would be happening." One can hardly blame Putin for this.

herrhitmann: NATO is practically on the borders of the Rodina, missile interceptors a stone's throw from Russian territory, and security guarantees for Russia's ethnic antagonists.

Wow, imagine that, letting other countries decide their own fate instead of letting Russia do it for them. I agree with you, it's awful. It reeks of freedom and self-determination.

Not available for comment:

Am I the only American here that thinks that the US should be leaving Eurasian politics to Eurasian countries? This old phrase that I heard somewhere about "entangling alliances" keeps popping up.

Jarhead_h: Am I the only American here that thinks that the US should be leaving Eurasian politics to Eurasian countries? This old phrase that I heard somewhere about "entangling alliances" keeps popping up.

It was pretty popular in America before and during World War II.
Though I completley agree with you here.

Xalpa: /Oblig

That has to be fake. Or, at least, I hope!

herrhitmann: Brainwash: No man, fark Putin. We wants to go back to the old USSR, another cold war etc...we need to back our leadership to keep the former USSR fragmented and foster democracy in Georgia.

/the world doesn't need or want another cold war

Bone up on your recent history, man. When Putin came to power at the beginning of this decade he tried to appease the West, did everything we asked of him in advancing democracy and free-market capitalism.

And what was his reward?

NATO is practically on the borders of the Rodina, missile interceptors a stone's throw from Russian territory, and security guarantees for Russia's ethnic antagonists. If I was Vladimir Putin I'd be feeling pretty duped right now.

I'm as red blooded as the next American but whether I want to admit it or not, we pretty much reneged on everything we agreed to with Russia. Putin is probably taking a look around at what cooperation with America got him and saying "fark this, if we had done things our way from the start none of this would be happening." One can hardly blame Putin for this.

You're "red blooded" indeed comrade ;)

We should go through Kamchatka, the reinforcements per turn is like 14. Although there is plenty of Risk involved.

/Wolverines!

herrhitmann: Bone up on your recent history, man. When Putin came to power at the beginning of this decade he tried to appease the West, did everything we asked of him in advancing democracy and free-market capitalism.

And what was his reward?

NATO is practically on the borders of the Rodina, missile interceptors a stone's throw from Russian territory, and security guarantees for Russia's ethnic antagonists. If I was Vladimir Putin I'd be feeling pretty duped right now.

I'm as red blooded as the next American but whether I want to admit it or not, we pretty much reneged on everything we agreed to with Russia. Putin is probably taking a look around at what cooperation with America got him and saying "fark this, if we had done things our way from the start none of this would be happening." One can hardly blame Putin for this.

Bolshoye Spasiba! Finally someone with a brain. Oh, and to all of you who do not know, the Cold War is over. I know you are all disappointed because the terrorists weren't as scary as the Republicans made them out to be. Don't go hating Russia just because you don't feel pride in yourselves unless you are hating someone.