By fail, does subby mean that we shouldn't make them work at all and just sit in a cell to rot?

headline fail.

I don't understand the fail here.

By "Jordanian sweatshop", are you referring a sweatshop located in the country of Jordan or a sweatshop located elsewhere devoted to the manufacturing of Michael Jordan brand products?


/north carolina after all

They pump out 300 safety vests a day for the State of NC. How many vests does that state go through? The State pays for the production and the product - This is sure to teach 'em.

"Hi, I'm Bob the Felon and I'm here to apply for that sewing job that hasn't existed since the 1970's! Aren't I rehabilitated!"

It's called a slave-based economy. It's a way to best the Chinese at their cheap-labor (and incarceration) game.

We are on this slippery scope and unless all the yeehaw politicians and the rednecks that vote for 'em disappear (along with Faux news!) soon then we'll have the biggest slave labor force ever.

Manufacturing drone skills are transferable. If he can be trained to sew, he can be trained to do a myriad of other mindless repetitive tasks in a loud and semi-hazardous environment.

/yes there are still textile plants in NC
//a few

The problem is that no american embroidery shops are going to want to let a former thief/rapist/murderer operate their $7K+ embroidery machine.

On the other hand, were they being trained to use the software that DESIGNS those patterns, that's relatively well-paying skilled work that doesn't necessarily require a background check (although a poorly designed set of instructions for the machine could cause just as much damage as a guy with a sledgehammer).

Day_Old_Dutchie: It's called a slave-based economy. It's a way to best the Chinese at their cheap-labor (and incarceration) game.

We are on this slippery scope and unless all the yeehaw politicians and the rednecks that vote for 'em disappear (along with Faux news!) soon then we'll have the biggest slave labor force ever.

not bad...not a real good effort though really, was it? You had good swipes at favorite targets and threw in some bigotry, but that was it...I mean, while you left the reader with the impression you have drool sliding down your chin and spittle spattering the monitor, there was no real emotion there...where was the feeling of indignation? the moral superiority?

Those needles make great shivs.. only you have to stab them like over 1000 times in the same spot...

Then again, they got nothing but time....

Is subby not aware that NC's economy was once based on textiles and tobacco? Still has quite a few textile plants? No?

Where I come from the prisons are pretty self running. The inmates do everything from milk cattle, make guard/inmate clothes, sheets, furniture, wash county vehicles, everything. Hell, they even had "inmate workers' BUILD the new prison up north. Most get 1-2 bucks a day. Since a Ramen costs 60 cents, it's basically 2 Ramen Noodles a day. A coffee pot is 30 bucks, that's 25 full time shifts work. And you thought FREE prices were high. LOL!

Anyrate, my point is. Inmate labour on the "cheap" has been going on for 1000's of years. Hell, even the pyramids were built by slaves; aka prisoners.

It worked for me.

It taught me that mindless, cog-in-the-machine work is something I could do. Humility.

You gain a measure of perspective from working 16 hours a day for free. I *did* get paid, but they took it for fines and restitution.(most of it)

Now I work at a hog disassembly plant. Doing well.

/11 months 22 days sober on the outside

infidelmatt: By "Jordanian sweatshop", are you referring a sweatshop located in the country of Jordan or a sweatshop located elsewhere devoted to the manufacturing of Michael Jordan brand products?


/north carolina after all

Perhaps a sweatshop near Jordan Lake?

Or near C.E. Jordan High School?

/No river Jordan in NC
//Yet.

Hey, housing their criminal asses costs the taxpayers money. God forbid we should get something useful out of it. And if it happens to make them more employable upon release, that's good, too. If not, TS. I know many people who spent four years in college learning useless "skills" for the workplace, and they put themselves there just as voluntarily as the convicts.

Well, I guess I don't get it. Thre's NO mention of Jordanian sweat-shops in the article at all. And if SOMEWHERE. SOMEBODY is FINALLY going to do SOMETHING for those guys about to get out, well then I say FANF***INGTASTIC !!!!

squashed: Well, I guess I don't get it. Thre's NO mention of Jordanian sweat-shops in the article at all. And if SOMEWHERE. SOMEBODY is FINALLY going to do SOMETHING for those guys about to get out, well then I say FANF***INGTASTIC !!!!

The point was that this isn't something for the guys about to get out. How much rehabilitation value does learning to sew have? The reasons that people end up in jail time and again are many and complicated, but an inability to find legitimate work both because of the stigma of prison and the lack of real, usable skills is very high on that list.

No, this just serves as another reason your average joe can ignore the prison system when it is, in reality, in dire need of repair.

Pyramids were not built by slaves.
Dumbass

Randvek: squashed: Well, I guess I don't get it. Thre's NO mention of Jordanian sweat-shops in the article at all. And if SOMEWHERE. SOMEBODY is FINALLY going to do SOMETHING for those guys about to get out, well then I say FANF***INGTASTIC !!!!

The point was that this isn't something for the guys about to get out. How much rehabilitation value does learning to sew have? The reasons that people end up in jail time and again are many and complicated, but an inability to find legitimate work both because of the stigma of prison and the lack of real, usable skills is very high on that list.

No, this just serves as another reason your average joe can ignore the prison system when it is, in reality, in dire need of repair.

"You broke the law
It's there for people to see
Why should you get the same
As honest men like me?"

UrinalPooper: On the other hand, were they being trained to use the software that DESIGNS those patterns, that's relatively well-paying skilled work that doesn't necessarily require a background check (although a poorly designed set of instructions for the machine could cause just as much damage as a guy with a sledgehammer).

Was relatively well-paying: since been outsourced.

An old girlfriend had a business on the side sewing dresses for drag queens. NC should legalize same sex weddings otherwise all their trained talent might move to California.

Byno: "Hi, I'm Bob the Felon and I'm here to apply for that sewing job that hasn't existed since the 1970's! Aren't I rehabilitated!"

This.

Somewhere a long the line those who wanted to actually reform prisoners lost out against those that just wanted to punish them and now we have for all intents and purposes installed revolving doors on these institutions. Petty criminals go into prison and instead of learning something useful that can keep them out of trouble, they learn how to be better criminals or they get exposed to extremely violent inmates in the general population and in turn become increasingly violent themselves.

It's a huge farking mess honestly.

UrinalPooper:
On the other hand, were they being trained to use the software that DESIGNS those patterns, that's relatively well-paying skilled work that doesn't necessarily require a background check (although a poorly designed set of instructions for the machine could cause just as much damage as a guy with a sledgehammer).

Until the ex-con applicant gets to this question on the application form: "have you ever been convicted of a felony crime?"... and the application gets shiatcanned. Doesn't matter if he could program the computers on the space shuttle blindfolded, he's out.

And people wonder why recidivism rates are so high.

Randvek: squashed: Well, I guess I don't get it. Thre's NO mention of Jordanian sweat-shops in the article at all. And if SOMEWHERE. SOMEBODY is FINALLY going to do SOMETHING for those guys about to get out, well then I say FANF***INGTASTIC !!!!

The point was that this isn't something for the guys about to get out. How much rehabilitation value does learning to sew have? The reasons that people end up in jail time and again are many and complicated, but an inability to find legitimate work both because of the stigma of prison and the lack of real, usable skills is very high on that list.

No, this just serves as another reason your average joe can ignore the prison system when it is, in reality, in dire need of repair.

There is something cleansing to the soul about waking up early and working a full day's work.

People shouldn't go to jail for pot. They should spend less actual jail time for non-violent offenses. Violent criminals can fark themselves. They aren't in jail to rehabilitate, they are imprisoned for punishment and to stay away from the populous they have proven to have no problem harming.

If the threat of going to jail again isn't enough motivation to reform, what is? We live in a world where some people chose homelessness over working.

/not saying every homeless person is there by choice.

Pretty soon you'll all be working in textile factories, and these guys will be your boss.

Hope you like butsecks for dinner, 'cause that's what you're getting.

Hot hot link from T-shirt Hell

SMOIT!: Now I work at a hog disassembly plant. Doing well.

That's quite the euphemism for a slaughterhouse and/or butcher.

/quote Pyramids were not built by slaves.
Dumbass

Enlighten us please.

TwistedFark: Byno: "Hi, I'm Bob the Felon and I'm here to apply for that sewing job that hasn't existed since the 1970's! Aren't I rehabilitated!"

This.

It's not about the sewing, it's about the work environment and the self control and regimentation and the working with others to a common goal.

In other words, it's kindergarten for people trying to co-exist with others.

But you would deny them that.

TedNigma: /quote Pyramids were not built by slaves.
Dumbass

Enlighten us please.

forget it, he's on a roll

/Germans?

JewZeppy:

In other words, it's kindergarten for people trying to co-exist with others.

But you would deny them that.

To borrow from some AA literature its, "learning to live life on life's terms".

A reasonable request. Yet the temptation to take more than you've earned is great. Its not just money or property. Its living a life better than you're owed. Using "street smarts" to get get ahead is all to easy. But, the extra has to come from somewhere somehow. The likelihood that you'll get caught in something illegal is high.

A day comes in your life where you realize that your going to have to work just like everybody else. After all, your jealousy was justification in the first place.

In this case you really can't beat'em. You have to join'em.

Where's the outrage for all the interns working on Capital Hill for free? Did you know that Congress is exempt from the laws that it passes?farking morons.

Nemo's Brother:
If the threat of going to jail again isn't enough motivation to reform, what is? We live in a world where some people chose homelessness over working.

/not saying every homeless person is there by choice.

Motivation? How about "society will let me become a better person by giving me the opportunity to do so"? (Most of) these people will get out of prison sometime, so why not leave the doors open for them to re-integrate into society, if they choose to? Some will choose not to, but more often they try and are shut out by the self-righteous who see these people as garbage, not humans.

Not only that, shiat that people shouldn't even go to prison for, like a few joints in their pocket, are still getting them locked away for years and years... what do you think happens to a 19 year old who is down for 5-10 years? He/she comes out a mid 20's hardened criminal, if they survive, with a felony conviction that has farked up the rest of their lives. For possession of a plant.

If society won't take them, what choice is there but prison?

Every inmate who lifts a finger should have his throat slit by the other inmates.

For just a moment there, I thought we were actually doing something right by shipping them to another country instead of letting them out here. I guess the fail tag is for not doing that.

RawData: Pretty soon you'll all be working in textile factories, and these guys will be your boss.

Hope you like butsecks for dinner, 'cause that's what you're getting.

It better have some butter on top. Because dry-cornholing is not a joy for the giver or taker.

Gridlock: It better have some butter on top. Because dry-cornholing is not a joy for the giver or taker.

Corn Hole Game (new window)

North Carolina's justice system is broken. My girlfriend's neighbor has like 30 felony charges against him, yet he's out. The most time he's done in one stint is 7 years for assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill or inflict serious injury. Nice.

This certainly would be agreable if everyone got paid fair wages. This is basically slave labor.

If you say that the work is optional, so it's not slave labor, then you need to think about the alternative, which is to sit in prison. To me, if you choices are ti work without pay ($16/wk?!) or to sit in a prison cell, then you are a slave.

This sounds like a great idea until you lose your job to a prison-slave because you won't work for 25 cents an hour. It sounds even less appealing when they start making everything into a felony so they can create a large slave workforce.

Not only that, shiat that people shouldn't even go to prison for, like a few joints in their pocket, are still getting them locked away for years and years... what do you think happens to a 19 year old who is down for 5-10 years? He/she comes out a mid 20's hardened criminal, if they survive, with a felony conviction that has farked up the rest of their lives. For possession of a plant.

The drug laws in this country are downright insane, but you're not doing a five year stretch for getting busted with personal use weight (less than an ounce).

SMOIT!

What kind of work did you do in prison? I'm glad that you're doing well.

SMOIT!

To borrow from some AA literature its, "learning to live life on life's terms".

A reasonable request. Yet the temptation to take more than you've earned is great. Its not just money or property. Its living a life better than you're owed. Using "street smarts" to get get ahead is all to easy. But, the extra has to come from somewhere somehow. The likelihood that you'll get caught in something illegal is high.

A day comes in your life where you realize that your going to have to work just like everybody else. After all, your jealousy was justification in the first place.

In this case you really can't beat'em. You have to join'em.

There's some real wisdom here. I'd like to hear more about your story if you're willing to tell it.

HOLY CRAP!

My home town made FARK!

My buddy's parents are both correctional officers at that facility. It's not a place for "hardened criminals" and "violent offenders." It's a small-time, medium-security institution. About the worst you'll find in there is a guy that got drunk and busted someone else's face in a bar fight.

Ficoce: They pump out 300 safety vests a day for the State of NC. How many vests does that state go through? The State pays for the production and the product - This is sure to teach 'em.

I don't know about highway workers and the like, but at least here in Durham they make the homeless and panhandlers wear them to solicit cash from people at stoplights (and get a registration fee as well, I think I heard 5 bucks or so. Maybe they're trying to stay ahead of demand once all the bankers start spreading out from Charlotte.