Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

Well, it's hard to be anything but a step up from Hillary in terms of dedication to the constituents.

Competence could go either way, though. Good luck, you Giuliani-electing types up there.

//Not optimistic of this one ending well, but not my state so it's not my call.

If Patterson taps Kennedy, can quartering soldiers be far behind?

Britney Spear's Speculum: If Patterson taps Kennedy, can quartering soldiers be far behind?

Awesome. So full of win.

Britney Spear's Speculum: If Patterson taps Kennedy, can quartering soldiers be far behind?

Shiat, the 3rd is like the only one still intact.

Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

And let us never forget, every single child is exactly like every parent.

We can clearly see how Caroline Kennedy has failed at each responsibility she has taken on, from running a oil company into the ground right through to that Titanic-like management of the baseball team her father bought her.

And yet, knowing the "conservatives" in this country, they will elect her and then reelect her - because she is on their team.

Did I get that right?
The coffee is still kicking in.

Random Reality Check: Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

And let us never forget, every single child is exactly like every parent.

We can clearly see how Caroline Kennedy has failed at each responsibility she has taken on, from running a oil company into the ground right through to that Titanic-like management of the baseball team her father bought her.

And yet, knowing the "conservatives" in this country, they will elect her and then reelect her - because she is on their team.

Did I get that right?
The coffee is still kicking in.

You got it right, but the original point still stands.
We don't have a royal family in this country, we don't have laws based on primogeniture;
we are a meritocracy.

What is worse on top of the whole child of an ex-president scenario, is that she's being selected and won't have to run until two years when she'll be assured of victory because it's New York, and she has a capital D behind her name.

michaeld5: What is worse on top of the whole child of an ex-president scenario, is that she's being selected and won't have to run until two years when she'll be assured of victory because it's New York, and she has a capital D behind her name.

I know!

Can you imagine those New Yorkers actually voting her into office?
Someone ought to do something about that - maybe change the state constitution or something.

Seriously, did you just express your concern that Caroline Kennedy would be appointed to a Senate seat, in accordance with New York law, and then admit that she will be reelected when the next election happens?

Why would you want to force the time and expense of having an election that you already admitted would go to Kennedy if the state constitution mandates a different path?

I thought you guys were all about fiscal responsibility.

"Silent" in the sense that subby can't provide evidence of its existence.

More dishonesty thinly disguised as humor.

Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

I'm not sure how well she'll do at the job, but her qualifications and resume for New York Senator outshine the qualifications and resume presented by Bush the Dumber.

Every time someone is selected because of the fame of their parents, we should take regression to the mean into account.

/The apple might not fall far from the tree, but the taller the tree the farther it falls.

Murkanen: Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

I'm not sure how well she'll do at the job, but her qualifications and resume for New York Senator outshine the qualifications and resume presented by Bush the Dumber.

Hey, it's King Nazi the Retarded. Now he has to spy on your surfing habits and waste a lot of money to make you feel vaguely threatened.

Guntram Shatterhand: Hey, it's King Nazi the Retarded. Now he has to spy on your surfing habits and waste a lot of money to make you feel vaguely threatened.

LOL wut?

Subby has a flair for the dramatic.

I got to wonder why no one was pining over the coveted Delaware Senate seat.

/snark

Silent auction, hmm. I thought the governor of New York was blind, not deaf.

michaeld5: What is worse on top of the whole child of an ex-president scenario, is that she's being selected and won't have to run until two years when she'll be assured of victory because it's New York, and she has a capital D behind her name.

And in the South, where I live, it's not uncommon when a conservative Senator dies in office for the conservative governor of the state to appoint the widow to serve out his term. Even if said widow's only expertise is in baking cookies and hosting dinner parties. Doesn't matter, though, because she'll have people to tell her what to do. Several conservative governors' wives have also been told to run in the next election in order to get around term limits. And the right wing historically thinks all this is peachy keen because it keeps political control in the "right hands."

Flagrant hypocrisy is what keeps the right wing chugging along.

michaeld5: we are a meritocracy.

No, I see selling Senate seats as just a more mature and honest phase of the United States transforming into a kleptocracy.

I have said in the past and I will say it again... the only good Kennedy is a Dead Kennedy!

oryx: Silent auction, hmm. I thought the governor of New York was blind, not deaf.

/FTW!

Snarfangel: The apple might not fall far from the tree, but the taller the tree the farther it falls.

It's not like apples fall from redwoods, though.

Murkanen: Guntram Shatterhand: Hey, it's King Nazi the Retarded. Now he has to spy on your surfing habits and waste a lot of money to make you feel vaguely threatened.

LOL wut?

I was calling Bush "King Nazi the Retarded." I figure it's offensive enough. Unless someone has something better, but I think it works on many levels. :)

mksmith: michaeld5: What is worse on top of the whole child of an ex-president scenario, is that she's being selected and won't have to run until two years when she'll be assured of victory because it's New York, and she has a capital D behind her name.

And in the South, where I live, it's not uncommon when a conservative Senator dies in office for the conservative governor of the state to appoint the widow to serve out his term. Even if said widow's only expertise is in baking cookies and hosting dinner parties. Doesn't matter, though, because she'll have people to tell her what to do. Several conservative governors' wives have also been told to run in the next election in order to get around term limits. And the right wing historically thinks all this is peachy keen because it keeps political control in the "right hands."

Flagrant hypocrisy is what keeps the right wing chugging along.

Name the last time that happened?
Lurleen Wallace as governor?
Carnahan running in place of her dead husband in Mizzou and getting the pity vote in 2000?

Has anyone noticed that this cutting edge analysis of politics in New York State has come from those insightful people in Kentucky?

How about we take a look at this article ^{(^)} from yesterday's Buffalo News?

"Caroline Kennedy's bid to get appointed to the Senate and extend the reach of Camelot has run into the bare-knuckle world of New York politics, where a backlash appears to be building against her."


Jim_Callahan: Well, it's hard to be anything but a step up from Hillary in terms of dedication to the constituents.

The main objection to Kennedy is that she basically put herself out for a coronation, without doing any of the ground work. Clinton, on the other hand, toured New York State for 6 months, holding town meetings and "listening sessions" before she even announced her candidacy. When she did, she had a solid platform to run on. The joke from "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me" was more incisive when they said that she had been upstate when she got off of the wrong subway stop and got as far as 157th street.

People in NY outside of NYC don't like that attitude in their politicians, and they are letting the Governor know. Juliani

Competence could go either way, though. Good luck, you Giuliani-electing types up there.

Giuliani can't get elected to anything outside of NYC now. When he ran for Senate, he was getting pounded in the polls by Clinton. His effort to go "upstate" included a tour of Albany (like state politicians will never ever get to the state capitol...) and included a flyer talking about wonderful places in New York he's never been to like "Niagra" Falls. Outside of the city, that douche can DIAF for all we care. And Kennedy is trying the same campaigning technique.

My money is on Andrew Cuomo. For 2 reasons. He's done what his dad did, making lots of upstate visits, showing that he knows how to find Buffalo if he gets put on the Thruway in Albany heading west. The second reason is that Patterson doesn't want big names running for Governor in 2 years. By giving Cuomo the Senate seat, he eliminates a strong competitor, and gets points with the Cuomo crowd.

The sense of entitlement in the Democrat Party is amazing.

princess caroline doesn't sound that bright, i'm sorry.

liberals sarah palin.

The voters in the Demo primaries let Hillary know what we think about entitlement. Same should be true with slim.

Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

For the record, George W. Bush won two national elections (yeah, yeah, yeah... Florida 2000). While I can't stand him or his father's politics, he was not appointed to the presidency, or two his two terms as Governor of Texas.

EVERYTHING in government is for sale.

/YOU REelected the same crooks
//now we ALL get to suck it again

give the seat to the congresswoman who wants it (forget her name) and let kennedy run for the house.

in other words, let kennedy be elected to office at least once before we install her in the senate.

sound good?

bronyaur1: While I can't stand him or his father's politics, he was not appointed to the presidency



well...

in a way he was.

In two states now, people are fighting to be a senator where they don't have to convince the voters to elect them. Has Kennedy ever ran for any political seat before ?

ITT: But... but... Bush!

Cuomo vs Kennedy: A Tale of the Tape

Cuomo: Former Cabinet secretary, current NYS AG, nearly entire adult life spent in public service.

Kennedy: Last surviving child of popular US President, good at fundraising, famously reclusive, no prior officeholding experience at any level, spotty voting record.

Yeah, it's a tough one all right.

Churchill2004: Because giving powerful offices to the unqualified children of ex-Presidents based solely on their genetics has worked out so well for us in the past.

There's really not a huge amount of qualifications necessary for Senator. Many people begin their political career in Congress, for example, John McCain's first elected office was U.S. Representative. Some people work their way up through state politics but many also do not.

Realistically, her level of political involvement (participating in politics but without prior elected office) isn't an unusual background for a Senator.

Murkanen: Guntram Shatterhand: Hey, it's King Nazi the Retarded. Now he has to spy on your surfing habits and waste a lot of money to make you feel vaguely threatened.

LOL wut?

I was calling Bush "King Nazi the Retarded." I figure it's offensive enough. Unless someone has something better, but I think it works on many levels. :)

My friend coined the phrase " Chief Barbarian Puppet" which I think fits the doucheback pres perfectly.

Sum Dum Gai: There's really not a huge amount of qualifications necessary for Senator. Many people begin their political career in Congress, for example, John McCain's first elected office was U.S. Representative. Some people work their way up through state politics but many also do not.

Realistically, her level of political involvement (participating in politics but without prior elected office) isn't an unusual background for a Senator.

it makes for good prerequisites to run and possibly win an election. the real qualifying aspect of that scenario is being democratically chosen.

as for being appointed, i think the standard should be a little bit higher.

Caroline Kennedy's a disgusting arrogant whore.

burndtdan: give the seat to the congresswoman who wants it (forget her name) and let kennedy run for the house.

in other words, let kennedy be elected to office at least once before we install her in the senate.

sound good?

Caroline Maloney.

First elected to political office in 1982.

NYZooMan: Caroline Kennedy's a disgusting arrogant whore.

Takes one to know one?

And exactly what do you know about Caroline Kennedy, except for what they told you to think?

Ever met the woman?
Read anything she has written?

No?

Why am I not the least bit surprised.

You lost - HUGE - live with it.

NYZooMan: Caroline Maloney.

First elected to political office in 1982.

And you stopped being for term limits, when exactly?

burndtdan: bronyaur1: While I can't stand him or his father's politics, he was not appointed to the presidency



well...

in a way he was.

Let it go. Just because you were a petulant, whiny, sore loser in 2000, you don't have to be that way for the rest of your life.

Looking at her bio, this looks like it would be her 1st full-time job.

atlanta_ufo: Looking at her bio, this looks like it would be her 1st full-time job.

Well ya, she is as close to royalty as America gets.

Xerxes99: I have said in the past and I will say it again... the only good Kennedy is a Dead Kennedy!

The Dead Kennedys ate people like you alive for breakfast.

It is amazing how much the left loves elitism.

Nemo's Brother: It is amazing how much the left loves elitism.

It's amazing how the November Election Losers keep throwing down strawman arguments in some lameass attempt to pull the rug out from the transitional Obama administration. Well not really "amazing," it's actually quite transparently pathetic, but I digress...

whidbey: Nemo's Brother: It is amazing how much the left loves elitism.

It's amazing how the November Election Losers keep throwing down strawman arguments in some lameass attempt to pull the rug out from the transitional Obama administration. Well not really "amazing," it's actually quite transparently pathetic, but I digress...

I wouldn't digress if I were you. I doubt you have anything interesting or merit to say and repeating the talking points from CNN do not count as interesting or topical.

whidbey: Nemo's Brother: It is amazing how much the left loves elitism.

It's amazing how the November Election Losers keep throwing down strawman arguments in some lameass attempt to pull the rug out from the transitional Obama administration. Well not really "amazing," it's actually quite transparently pathetic, but I digress...

Don't stop. It's what your best at. Somehow I expect you'll post some crazed rant in this thread where you try to blame Bush or Christians.

/Was listening to NPR today about FDR and how his mother, Sara Delano Roosevelt, felt politics was beneath their stature. Then of course there's the Kennedy's. They've been that way since before I was born.

Despite all her merits, accomplishments, and qualifications, I agree with the article that no one would pay Kennedy any attention were she not the beneficiary of a famous name - and the daughter of a martyred president.

Nemo's Brother: I wouldn't digress if I were you. I doubt you have anything interesting or merit to say and repeating the talking points from CNN do not count as interesting or topical.

And that justifies your trollish strawman It is amazing how much the left loves elitism

how?

Seriously, it just smacks of Sore Loserdom. Nothing really to criticize about Obama, so let's just make absurd strawman statements to bait "the other side."

kerpal32: Don't stop. It's what your best at. Somehow I expect you'll post some crazed rant in this thread where you try to blame Bush or Christians.

Yes, start the ad hominems. Nothing like discrediting yourself from the get-go, kerpal.

Despite all her merits, accomplishments, and qualifications, I agree with the article that no one would pay Kennedy any attention were she not the beneficiary of a famous name - and the daughter of a martyred president

Maybe so, but really, who cares? If the problem is that the Senate is turning out to be some shameless pageantry of the rich, reform it.

Personally I would rather see someone of privilege work with a disposition to do good than some right-winging asshole that could have been in that seat.