Tutu is right, I agree. It's all on South Africa. They are like the China to North Korea in this situation.

No Jesus? No peace.

Know Jesus. Know peace.

No shirt? No shoes? No dice.

I'm assuming that he's saying that the threat of violence should be used to depose Mugabe, not that someone should put a pistol in his ear and give him a Jersey retirement party.

That's not ironic. It would only be ironic if he won the nobel peace prize for violently overthrowing a dictatorial leader.

/don't look at me like that, you all knew it was coming!

What did they used to call that thing where you put a burning tire around someone's neck - a South African necklace or something?

rodeofrog: Know Jesus. Know peace.

Hey, if I was over 2000 years old, I'd be pretty damn peaceful I think.

The sad thing is that there doesn't even have to be that much violence if South Africa would just step up to the plate. Supposedly Zuma was more critical of Mugabe than Mbeki but thus far it doesn't seem like they're changing their policy.

I heard a joke.

What is the difference between Mugabe and Mbeki?

Five years.

Any farkers heard a similar thing and can explain the background?

You know who else won the Nobel Peace Prize?



and



/hotlinked

Religious black man advocating the need to take violent action inside other country. There have I seen it before? Oh yeah!
_{/how was it?}

Swampthing in Korea: can explain the background?

When Mugabe started in the early 1980s, Zimbabwe was very well off, a relativeley normal, stable country. Now its a shiathole.

When Mbeki started, SA was a relatively normal, stable country, and Mbeki is turning it into a shiathole.

When I say 'relatively' normal and stable I mean for Africa.

Peace is the way of the open palm.
It is warm, gentle and inviting.
But just as the drunken husband can strike his wife with the palm of his hand, the open peace sometimes prove harmful.

Violence is the way of the closed fist.
It is hard, forceful and destructive.
But just as the closed fist can hold the egg within it, so can violence be used to protect that which is precious.

The answer, as with most things, is to find balance.

Another winner of the Nobel peace prize who wasn't always so peaceful:






/He also won an Oscar for 'Driving Miss Daisy'

//hotlinked

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Peace is the way of the open palm.
It is warm, gentle and inviting.
But just as the drunken husband can strike his wife with the palm of his hand, the open peace can sometimes prove harmful.

Violence is the way of the closed fist.
It is hard, forceful and destructive.
But just as the closed fist can hold the egg within it, so can violence be used to protect that which is precious.

The answer, as with most things, is to find balance.

Sorry, had to fix that.

Tutu was elected and ordained the first black South African Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, South Africa, and primate of the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (now the Anglican Church of Southern Africa).

Now that's just not right.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Peace is the way of the open palm.
It is warm, gentle and inviting.
But just as the drunken husband can strike his wife with the palm of his hand, the open peace sometimes prove harmful.

Violence is the way of the closed fist.
It is hard, forceful and destructive.
But just as the closed fist can hold the egg within it, so can violence be used to protect that which is precious.

The answer, as with most things, is to find balance.

Jade Empire?

From TFA. That's pimp-tastic!

/Drop it like it's hotlinked

Swampthing in Korea: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Peace is the way of the open palm.
It is warm, gentle and inviting.
But just as the drunken husband can strike his wife with the palm of his hand, the open peace sometimes prove harmful.

Violence is the way of the closed fist.
It is hard, forceful and destructive.
But just as the closed fist can hold the egg within it, so can violence be used to protect that which is precious.

The answer, as with most things, is to find balance.

Jade Empire?

No. It's been around way longer than that.

Though to be fair, I first learned about it from an X-Men comic.

More black on black violence?

Fabric_Man: From TFA. That's pimp-tastic!

/Drop it like it's hotlinked

Makes $5K a month in free gubmint money? Must be a Muslim living in England.

Gimme my Jello Pudding Pops!

Sorry...first thing to come to mind.

Somebody needs to kill that piece of sh*t, that's for sure.

The lower classes and powerless people are indoctrinated into non-violence so that those with power can commit violence upon them without fear of reprisal.

When the powerless take action against the powerful, it is called violence. When the powerful take action against the powerless, it is called justice.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Peace is the way of the open palm.
It is warm, gentle and inviting.
But just as the drunken husband can strike his wife with the palm of his hand, the open peace sometimes prove harmful.

Violence is the way of the closed fist.
It is hard, forceful and destructive.
But just as the closed fist can hold the egg within it, so can violence be used to protect that which is precious.

The answer, as with most things, is to find balance.

Goddamn, I haven't played that in forever.

Aeonic_Blue: The lower classes and powerless people are indoctrinated into non-violence so that those with power can commit violence upon them without fear of reprisal.

When the powerless take action against the powerful, it is called violence. When the powerful take action against the powerless, it is called justice.

Malcolm somebody, right?

My Tutu used to hit me with a monkeypod salad tong when I would track red dirt on the carpet.

True story.

At this point, has Mugabe poisoned the well sufficiently so that any regime that replaced him would be just as corrupt?

Mobutu Sese Seko did that in Congo (Zaire). Reduced the population to such extremes of venality and survivalism that no honest government could rise on his ashes.

Belac: At this point, has Mugabe poisoned the well sufficiently so that any regime that replaced him would be just as corrupt?

Mobutu Sese Seko did that in Congo (Zaire). Reduced the population to such extremes of venality and survivalism that no honest government could rise on his ashes.

I think that Zimbabwe is a more hopeful case than Congo. I've listened to some Zimbabweans who think that although the country has been devastated, if people (most of whom are very educated) who have fled were either to come home or contribute money, then the basic infrastructure is in pretty good shape and the country could return to some normalcy. Zimbabweans on the whole are very educated in comparison with population of Congo, which has pretty much been a farking mess since King Leopold decided to make it his African playground.

I can't argue with a guy when he's right

Occam's Chainsaw: I'm assuming that he's saying that the threat of violence should be used to depose Mugabe, not that someone should put a pistol in his ear and give him a Jersey retirement party.

Why would you assume that when the article says the opposite? He doesn't say kill him as he wants a trial, but violence should be used if necessary.

FTA: Tutu also told BBC radio that violence could be used to remove Mugabe, who should then be indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC).

/to come to this conclusion, I made as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. ;)

LewDux: Religious black man advocating the need to take violent action inside other country. There have I seen it before? Oh yeah!
/how was it?

There are religious white men who advocate the need to take violent action inside other countries. There is a great example currently in office. You make a connection via race, which proves nothing. I fail to see your point. Do you have one?

A pacifist is a guy who hasn't been mugged yet.

Maybe Mr. Obama will send some Blackhawks and a few Special Forces dudes to wrap things up.

Suggest violence? F*ck, I suggest that every single day. No one listens, though. It's all "give peace a chance" BS, and I'm sorry to hear it.

Like Mugabe shouldn't have been assassinated?? I want a vote.

Did everyone see all the degrees of RealPolitik from Kissenger on?

Phil Moskowitz: Did everyone see all the degrees of RealPolitik from Kissenger on

"RealPolitik" is such a cold, inhumane, un-American kind of word.

We prefer to think of it as "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" thinking...

/redundancy intended

Hendrix: There are religious white men who advocate the need to take violent action inside other countries. There is a great example currently in office. You make a connection via race, which proves nothing. I fail to see your point. Do you have one?

Is this some kind of meta-troll?

Unfortunately, Tutu is probably right. Zimbabwe is a total disaster.

Violence. Is there anything it can't do?

Violence is not the answer to anything, however there are times when one has no choice but to prolong the question.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Violence is not the answer to anything, however there are times when one has no choice but to prolong the question.

Revenge!

The violence of antibodies.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Violence is not the answer to anything, however there are times when one has no choice but to prolong the question.

Your mom says dinner is ready.

Everybody should be for peace, but they should also know that sometimes violence is required to prevent the peace from being destroyed.

Paradoxical? No. Temporary violence can lead to lasting peace, if the right methods are used.

/Don't resort to violence quickly.
//Resort to violence thoroughly...

South Africa, where end apartheid 'moral high ground' turned into take everything from white people that would have invested in your country and all the Indian business class can either leave or live in the worst ghettos.... or the great racial idea of "coloured" people by the South African government.

I can't sit here and say I don't agree with him. Kill Mugabe.

whidbey: Phil Moskowitz: Did everyone see all the degrees of RealPolitik from Kissenger on

"RealPolitik" is such a cold, inhumane, un-American kind of word.




Well, in English, "Realpolitik" translates roughly to "Whateva, I do what I want!".

Jurodan: Everybody should be for peace, but they should also know that sometimes violence is required to prevent the peace from being destroyed.

Paradoxical? No. Temporary violence can lead to lasting peace, if the right methods are used.

/Don't resort to violence quickly.
//Resort to violence thoroughly...

If violence isn't your last resort, you didn't use enough of it.